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Purdue get Proctor, Archie gets ?

You're right. Morgan was 2nd team to end the 2017-18 season and along with Romeo made the preseason team last year. Still one of two teams to have 2 of the top 10 players preseason.
voted on by guys who never played the game. romeo wasn't even close to being a top 10 league player, as it turned out
 
being a lawyer automatically means you're smart? lol
Smarter than your average gym rat, generally speaking. Most of them seem to have a pretty aggressive personality, along with the gift of gab, which can be a dangerous thing if you happen to be on the wrong side of life. Good for them though, as they seem to drive nice cars.
 
Smarter than your average gym rat, generally speaking. Most of them seem to have a pretty aggressive personality, along with the gift of gab, which can be a dangerous thing if you happen to be on the wrong side of life. Good for them though, as they seem to drive nice cars.
hey, 10 million lawyers can't be wrong
 
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I would just like you to make a logically consistent argument. If he has recruited "well enough" by the standards of the peer group that you cited then he obviously "does not suck" at recruiting according to your own words.

Please be aware of the Aristotelian Law of the Excluded Middle: something cannot be itself and its opposite simultaneously. If Painter sucks at recruiting, he cannot have done so well enough; if he has done well enough, then he cannot suck at the same task.

Those are your words found in your posts. It is a series of contradictions of your own making.
If rolling the dice on unranked, 2* and 3* players is your idea of "good recruiting," then we will just have to agree to disagree, Aristotle. VCU, TT, Wichita St., Loyola, etc. have done that and made it to a Final Four: why can't Painter?
 
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Yea I'm happy with 3 consecutive sweet 16s including an elite 8 when IU fans have told me in those 3 years that Purdue wouldn't win without Hammons, wouldn't win without Biggie, and wouldn't win after the senior class from two years ago left. Already hearing it about how Purdue won't win without Carsen now too so maybe IU's fanbase is Purdues good luck

Thank you!

You have finally admitted that PUke success is tied completely to how they think IU fans feel about their program.

Now, was that so hard?
 
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You're the only one pulling anything on this thread...your pud.

My point is further illuminated by the fact that you are over here, begging for validation.
Just give him a Helm's championship banner and he'll go away.
 
Just give him a Helm's championship banner and he'll go away.

Here goes nothing...and I mean NOTHING:

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You're the only one pulling anything on this thread...your pud.

My point is further illuminated by the fact that you are over here, begging for validation.
Nah I just enjoy opposing viewpoints and the back and forth it can bring. Don't really care much about your opinion though since you never give one. Pretty sure I've never seen you post an actual thought on any topic. It's all attacks on other posters or images. You sure bring a lot of value here.

This key and Peele skit is exactly how I see you

 
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Nah I just enjoy opposing viewpoints and the back and forth it can bring. Don't really care much about your opinion though since you never give one. Pretty sure I've never seen you post an actual thought on any topic. It's all attacks on other posters or images. You sure bring a lot of value here.

This key and Peele skit is exactly how I see you


There's no fat girls here, so why are you?
 
If rolling the dice on unranked, 2* and 3* players is your idea of "good recruiting," then we will just have to agree to disagree, Aristotle. VCU, TT, Wichita St., Loyola, etc. have done that and made it to a Final Four: why can't Painter?
That's some good rolls of the dice then since it has got Purdue 130 wins in the last 5 seasons.

As far as the tournament you just got to keep putting yourself in position to get there and it'll eventually happen. I didn't think this would be painters team that would be within 5 seconds of a final four and thought it was the least talented team he's had in a sweet 16. Eventually you run into a bracket like IU got in 2002 where they beat 3 double digit seeded teams to get to the final four. Would've been nice to see Kent St instead of Virginia in the elite 8. That's why the tournament is so fun to watch though.
 
Nah I just enjoy opposing viewpoints and the back and forth it can bring. Don't really care much about your opinion though since you never give one. Pretty sure I've never seen you post an actual thought on any topic. It's all attacks on other posters or images. You sure bring a lot of value here.

This key and Peele skit is exactly how I see you


Good to hear how you read all my posts so thoroughly. I guess I owe you some rent money for living in your head. Of course, it's a big ol' apartment complex of IU fans in there, so we have parties at your expense all the time.
 
Good to hear how you read all my posts so thoroughly. I guess I owe you some rent money for living in your head. Of course, it's a big ol' apartment complex of IU fans in there, so we have parties at your expense all the time.
This fits exactly what I said about you lol.

Believe me if it bothered me so much I would've spoke up a long time ago and didn't mention it until you started your stuff with me. Plenty of reasonable posters on this site that post good things. You just seem to pop up from time to time and try to tear anyone who doesn't think like you down and it sticks out.

I don't care enough to go looking through your old posts so if I'm wrong and I very well could be please call me out on it. What was the last opinion you gave on IU sports because I've only seen you attack other posters.
 
That's some good rolls of the dice then since it has got Purdue 130 wins in the last 5 seasons.

As far as the tournament you just got to keep putting yourself in position to get there and it'll eventually happen. I didn't think this would be painters team that would be within 5 seconds of a final four and thought it was the least talented team he's had in a sweet 16. Eventually you run into a bracket like IU got in 2002 where they beat 3 double digit seeded teams to get to the final four. Would've been nice to see Kent St instead of Virginia in the elite 8. That's why the tournament is so fun to watch though.

Don't forget that the 02 team also played the overall #1 seed, the #4 team and big 12 champion Oklahoma...and beat them.

Then they lost in the title game to the overall #2 team.

So yeah, when you play the #1, #2 and #4 team on your path you are also going to play some double digits seeds.
 
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Don't forget that the 02 team also played the overall #1 seed, the #4 team and big 12 champion Oklahoma...and beat them.

Then they lost in the title game to the overall #2 team.

So yeah, when you play the #1, #2 and #4 team on your path you are also going to play some double digits seeds.
Yea they had a great tournament and I won't deny that. However, Oklahoma and Maryland came in the final four though and I'm talking about the path to get there since that's what I responded to. Now I was only a kid when this was going on so I don't know but I'm willing to guess that not many people thought Indiana was going to come out of that region.

Indiana was a 4 or 5 seed I don't remember which and got the 12 and 13 seeds to reach the sweet 16. Then they got the huge upset win over Duke and got 10 seed Kent St in the elite 8. Not the most difficult path but none of that matters in the record books though because it still goes down as a final 4. That's my point when I say you need things to break your way from time to time.
 
This fits exactly what I said about you lol.

Believe me if it bothered me so much I would've spoke up a long time ago and didn't mention it until you started your stuff with me. Plenty of reasonable posters on this site that post good things. You just seem to pop up from time to time and try to tear anyone who doesn't think like you down and it sticks out.

I don't care enough to go looking through your old posts so if I'm wrong and I very well could be please call me out on it. What was the last opinion you gave on IU sports because I've only seen you attack other posters.

Gee, there's ignore, or whole other boards where I don't post...like, maybe a PUke board. Why are PUkes and pUKes so determined to post here, and complain about how IU fans post...and then tell us how irrelevant we are? I don't come to your barn and complain about how bad it smells.
 
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Gee, there's ignore, or whole other boards where I don't post...like, maybe a PUke board. Why are PUkes and pUKes so determined to post here, and complain about how IU fans post...and then tell us how irrelevant we are? I don't come to your barn and complain about how bad it smells.
Man I hit the nail on the head with my opinion of you. Every post is the same. I guess you're calling Purdue's message board a barn? If a message board smells then I suggest cleaning your phone/computer screen.

As for the reason I come here it is like I've said before that I enjoy the opposing point of view and the discussion it creates.

And as for you personally I don't mind what you do. I have my opinion on it like I said above but I've never felt bothered by it. For all I know the next conversation I have with you could turn out to be positive so I don't need to be soft and put anyone on ignore either.
 
Man I hit the nail on the head with my opinion of you. Every post is the same. I guess you're calling Purdue's message board a barn? If a message board smells then I suggest cleaning your phone/computer screen.

As for the reason I come here it is like I've said before that I enjoy the opposing point of view and the discussion it creates.

And as for you personally I don't mind what you do. I have my opinion on it like I said above but I've never felt bothered by it. For all I know the next conversation I have with you could turn out to be positive so I don't need to be soft and put anyone on ignore either.

Whatever, lil' bro. I went back and looked at all your old posts, and the VAST majority are expressing butthurt over negative opinions towards PUke, and then getting into pissing contests, like this one, when someone calls you out about it. Your assertion that you are here for the marketplace of ideas is laughable at best.

You aren't very good at this.
 
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That's some good rolls of the dice then since it has got Purdue 130 wins in the last 5 seasons.

As far as the tournament you just got to keep putting yourself in position to get there and it'll eventually happen. I didn't think this would be painters team that would be within 5 seconds of a final four and thought it was the least talented team he's had in a sweet 16. Eventually you run into a bracket like IU got in 2002 where they beat 3 double digit seeded teams to get to the final four. Would've been nice to see Kent St instead of Virginia in the elite 8. That's why the tournament is so fun to watch though.
Sure worked out for Gene, didn't it? You didn't face a team like 2002 Duke and beat them. PU hasn't been to a FF for 40 years now: I'm not so sure it will happen. Luck has nothing to do with it: you make it happen. Matt is 0-15: may end up like Gene.
 
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Whatever, lil' bro. I went back and looked at all your old posts, and the VAST majority are expressing butthurt over negative opinions towards PUke, and then getting into pissing contests, like this one, when someone calls you out about it. Your assertion that you are here for the marketplace of ideas is laughable at best.

You aren't very good at this.
The vast majority of 56 posts when about half are in this thread? Good work on that one. Funny though that you went and looked at all my posts after you made the comment earlier that you were in my head? Ironic...

Must be a shock that a Purdue fan would have pro Purdue opinions and then defend his opinion. With you it may be a shock when anyone gives an opinion since you give 0 of them yourself.

My post history outside this thread has been an anti msu post, an anti Hazell post, a handful of posts saying I wish the IU vs Purdue rivalry would become great like before I was old enough to have a true interest, a few posts on recruiting, some friendly banter, and a couple multi posts conversations that I'm sure you're calling butt hurt. I haven't posted enough for you to have a full read on me so maybe you aren't very good at this.
 
Sure worked out for Gene, didn't it? You didn't face a team like 2002 Duke and beat them. PU hasn't been to a FF for 40 years now: I'm not so sure it will happen. Luck has nothing to do with it: you make it happen. Matt is 0-15: may end up like Gene.
I don't think there were any teams in college basketball this year that were like that Duke team in 02. Purdue did beat the defending champ, a team that was #1 for a decent portion of the year, and played the would be champ all in their region which is a pretty tough slate.

On painter - He very well could end up the way you said but he also may not and that's why you watch the games and enjoy the entire season. As long as he keeps putting his teams in positions to be successful then I'm happy because eventually there will be the breakthrough.

On the 40 year drought - I don't really care what happened before me. It's nice to know and read about but using the Reds for example I don't get much satisfaction out of the big red machine or the 1990 wire to wire teams. The majority of the players on the Reds today weren't even alive when the 1990 team won. It's sort of the same with the kids being recruited now for college basketball. A 40 year drought and a near 17 year drought for our teams are both before any of their earliest memories so they can both be lumped together as "before me" statements for them. Those are just for the fans at this point.
 
If rolling the dice on unranked, 2* and 3* players is your idea of "good recruiting," then we will just have to agree to disagree, Aristotle. VCU, TT, Wichita St., Loyola, etc. have done that and made it to a Final Four: why can't Painter?

Try to spin your comments however you like but your post that started this was a self-contradiction. Which was my original point. Your argument was flawed.

As for why Painter hasn't made a FF is not known by anyone, least of all me. Injuries have clearly played a part (Hummel, Haas) in changing the probabilities. The Hook N Hold Rule this year was a direct result of the Haas' injury. Hummel twice was unfortunate but luck is an important factor in success. Match-ups and style of play matter a great deal and there is the randomness of the draw.

I do not think that you appreciate the aspect of randomness in determining how far you go. If a team has a 80% chance of winning each game, which is rather high as you go along (see the Vegas odds and spreads), the probability that you make the FF is only 41% ((0.8)^4) In reality, the number is much lower as a team is not 80% probable to win each game as they progress.

As was pointed out, you get into position enough times and eventually your number comes up. Given his record, it is reasonable to conclude that it will at some time but who knows when. This year, Duke was the clear favorite and they did not get there. And as for "stars", I believe that there was one 5-star in the FF (on MSU) and he did not even play due to injury. Kemba Walker's UConn team won and they only got into the tournament because they got hot and won the BE Tourney in MSG after having had a poor season beforehand. As was pointed out, it is the randomness that makes the Tourney exciting.
 
It's a futile task, asking the "fire Archie" crowd to provide specifics other than the most basic of stats (W/L, shooting percentage etc). They can only point to those things because they don't have the capacity and/or the will to delve any deeper, perfectly content to barely scratch the surface on the "why" of it all and even more lacking in the patience it takes to actually build something. They are content to pine for the next "greatest coach since sliced bread" to come along and save us, like infants distracted by shiny objects, instead of giving the current guy more than 2 years to build a program around his vision, his culture. They point to guys like Painter (who has had 15 years to build his program) and Izzo (24 years to build his program) as comparisons, yet it's apples and oranges when they are calling for Archie's head halfway through his second season. Hell, we've even had posters wish we would hire a cheater and actively cheat to win. WTF?

I've said it before, and I will say it again...if we are still sitting here halfway through year 4 in the same position we were halfway through year 2, then I will be more than happy to join the "fire Archie" crowd in calling for a change. I will admit I was wrong in him being the "right guy". But they won't find me apologizing for wanting to give him the time to build something. Them hopping from thread to thread and taking a figurative dump in each one, whining and moaning and complaining like an amalgamation of Eyore, Chicken Little, a mother-in-law and the average PUke) is wearing so damned thin.

And I swear to God if I see one more sniveling, quivering sack of monkey turds claim to be an IU fan and in the same post wish we had Purdue's coach I am gonna gouge my eyes out with a rusty nail. I'm gonna make it simple for anyone who thinks like this...It's a PUke's job to want what IU has (like they have been doing since the 1940's) and it's an IU fan's job to laugh at them every year when they fail to achieve it. Either change allegiances right TF now, or beg your wife to let you take your testicles out of her purse before you post here.
One of my all time favorite post and screw every so called fan bragging on Purdue. Just a few years ago all my PUke buddies wanted Porkchop fired. Stay with the plan or get the hell out but don’t come running back like you saw it coming.
 
When you have a clown in charge, no one should be surprised when the circus shows up.
The clown is you. You are the same pos who ran Crean out of town. Their is a reason you can’t say a bad word about PUke. 3 years ago you idiot never won shit Purdue fans wanted Painter ran out of town. Did you quit paying premium to spew your garbage?
 
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I would just like you to make a logically consistent argument. If he has recruited "well enough" by the standards of the peer group that you cited then he obviously "does not suck" at recruiting according to your own words.

Please be aware of the Aristotelian Law of the Excluded Middle: something cannot be itself and its opposite simultaneously. If Painter sucks at recruiting, he cannot have done so well enough; if he has done well enough, then he cannot suck at the same task.

Those are your words found in your posts. It is a series of contradictions of your own making.

Lol
 
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Still waiting
I was referring to the posts where you called Cline a drug addict and strongly implied that his parents were to blame for his alleged condition.

And thanks for finally acknowledging that you’re Love4beer, and that you’ve posted at GBI and here under that handle. Everyone knew this as fact, even as you kept lying about it.
 
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I was referring to the posts where you called Cline a drug addict and strongly implied that his parents were to blame for his alleged condition.

And thanks for finally acknowledging that you’re Love4beer, and that you’ve posted at GBI and here under that handle. Everyone knew this as fact, even as you kept lying about it.

Never posted that...ever...ever
Link?

Still waiting
 
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The vast majority of 56 posts when about half are in this thread? Good work on that one. Funny though that you went and looked at all my posts after you made the comment earlier that you were in my head? Ironic...

Must be a shock that a Purdue fan would have pro Purdue opinions and then defend his opinion. With you it may be a shock when anyone gives an opinion since you give 0 of them yourself.

My post history outside this thread has been an anti msu post, an anti Hazell post, a handful of posts saying I wish the IU vs Purdue rivalry would become great like before I was old enough to have a true interest, a few posts on recruiting, some friendly banter, and a couple multi posts conversations that I'm sure you're calling butt hurt. I haven't posted enough for you to have a full read on me so maybe you aren't very good at this.

Learn the definition of irony.

Bottom line - I'm done arguing with a PUke on an IU board when the PUke doesn't like how the IU fan is posting. Either deal with it and stop crying, or go away.
 
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