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Produce equal students

We can teach to the middle but we better figure out how to challenge the brilliant kids too.

We also need a better way to teach the mentally challenged. My daughter in law is a fourth grade teacher. She has a mentally challenged boy in her class. He disrupts the class all day every day that makes it extremely difficult to teach the rest of the students. She’s told she has to deal with it. How do you deal with it when he’s acting out continuously and there’s no discipline available? She deals with it by talking with him and not teaching the rest of the kids.
She’s supposed to have an aide for that child - that’s how it’s done where I live. But the taxes in your area are probably so low they don’t have the funding.
 
He has the same rights to education as anyone else.
But, you are right. The school needs to provide more support. But, that's very expensive. Remember when posters were crying about how much money is spent on inner city schools, compared to parochial schools? Well, take your DIL's class, and multiply it by ten...then add in ESL (my friend's school has about 35% ESL students, 2/3 Spanish and 1/3 Haitian Creole) and other factors. I just described for you a typical inner city public school. Not parochial, though...they offer very little services.
But, but, but...public schools in the city are wasting money for little return! :rolleyes:
Maybe convince your DIL's district to pay for more Sp.Ed. support. Good luck.
As a parent of a child with special needs, all of that is a completely fair criticism.
 
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She’s supposed to have an aide for that child - that’s how it’s done where I live. But the taxes in your area are probably so low they don’t have the funding.
She has an aide. What’s the aide supposed to do? You cannot touch the kid. Send him to principal’s office for a time out and he’s back in an hour. What are administrators going to do? It’s not an option to take him out of the class.

A private school is being started by some Mennonites. My daughter in law says many kids whether Mennonite or not are going to the school next year. Of course these kids aren’t the ones causing trouble. She’s seeing the handwriting on the wall. It’s only going to get worse.
 
She has an aide. What’s the aide supposed to do? You cannot touch the kid. Send him to principal’s office for a time out and he’s back in an hour. What are administrators going to do? It’s not an option to take him out of the class.

A private school is being started by some Mennonites. My daughter in law says many kids whether Mennonite or not are going to the school next year. Of course these kids aren’t the ones causing trouble. She’s seeing the handwriting on the wall. It’s only going to get worse.
Smart. The English are failing. Time to get back to the old ways. I wish we had that option here
 
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She has an aide. What’s the aide supposed to do? You cannot touch the kid. Send him to principal’s office for a time out and he’s back in an hour. What are administrators going to do? It’s not an option to take him out of the class.

A private school is being started by some Mennonites. My daughter in law says many kids whether Mennonite or not are going to the school next year. Of course these kids aren’t the ones causing trouble. She’s seeing the handwriting on the wall. It’s only going to get worse.
Of course, that mentally challenged young man will not be allowed in, right? Private school, problem solved. Keep out the undesireables.
 
Of course, that mentally challenged young man will not be allowed in, right? Private school, problem solved. Keep out the undesireables.
All while the state of Indiana pays for it. It was that your household can make up to $150K, and get $6k/kid in vouchers.
 
Smart. The English are failing. Time to get back to the old ways. I wish we had that option here
I always cringed when Amish or Mennonites called non Amish and Mennonites “English”. Lol.

Most Mennonites aren’t much different in their beliefs compared to the “English”. Lol.

The Mennonites starting this school have money and resolve. It could turn out to be real competition for the public schools. Their faith sometimes leads them to taking big risks.

A few years ago an Amish businessman and client decided Odon needed an assisted living facility. A associate of politician from Sandborn told him financing with tax free bonds would be easy. I told him don’t do one thing until we have projections and financing secured. He didn’t listen. His construction company carried the bills and he and others leaped headfirst into the project. A couple million in, the politician’s associate was full of crap and no financing. They carried on. German American Bank came in when things got dire. The facility is amazing. Many cottages have been added separately from the main building. New cottages are going up this morning.

The project could have destroyed the gentleman and a couple others. His faith and hard work along with the whole community Amish/Mennonite and “English” made it work. People of all faiths and non faiths are welcome. It’s a Not-For-Profit.

I know I know just another one of my boring stories. American is great! It’s still great with many trying to destroy it!
 
Of course, that mentally challenged young man will not be allowed in, right? Private school, problem solved. Keep out the undesireables.
Yep I bet he will be allowed in if the parents are on board with how things will work.
 
She has an aide. What’s the aide supposed to do? You cannot touch the kid. Send him to principal’s office for a time out and he’s back in an hour. What are administrators going to do? It’s not an option to take him out of the class.

A private school is being started by some Mennonites. My daughter in law says many kids whether Mennonite or not are going to the school next year. Of course these kids aren’t the ones causing trouble. She’s seeing the handwriting on the wall. It’s only going to get worse.
Then the kid should be in special education if all other avenues in the IEP failed.
 
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I don't understand...an IEP is for students who are in Special Education. Are you referring to a self-contained classroom?
I mean the avenues of the iep that try to keep in regular ed as much as possible. Eventually, yes, may have to be that way.
 
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Then the kid should be in special education if all other avenues in the IEP failed.
Easier said than done. Pressure from parents and society to keep child in public school and money always plays a part.
 
Don’t feel like arguing with you. One thing seems certain. If a child is keeping the rest of the class from learning something has to change. Or maybe not.
Indiana has it where you can move kids and enroll them in any school provided you provide the transportation. We moved our daughters to a school that fostered a better learning environment and it worked out well. If my kid is the one holding the class back, I understand something would needed to be done unfortunately that is not the case with many.
 
On the topic of education, I attended an Ivy League graduation this past weekend. I’m just a simple yokel from the Midwest and had only been on one other Ivy League campus before so I’m embarrassed to admit that going in, I was actually a little excited. If only for the mystique and history oozing from these institutions.

In the days I spent there walking around the beautiful campus, interacting with the graduate’s friends, hearing from the faculty at both the university wide and smaller school graduation, I couldn’t get this one descriptor to stop running through my mind……. “pampered mediocrity”.

If these kids are the future of America, we are truly and genuinely f*cked. The average Kelley would run circles around these people.

After what seemed like a two hour long honorary degree, self congratulatory, circle jerk, the commencement address began. It was to be given by Ken Burns, a once great documentarian.

Burns proceeded to tell the audience that history is not fixed, it is not to be accepted as settled events in our past to draw lasting lessons from.

Instead it is incumbent upon each generation to analyze history through their respective lense and draw their own conclusions based on the standards we now hold today. Burns could not, and would not, extoll any of the virtues of the University founder, Benjamin Franklin, without subsequently qualifying it by mentioning one of his vices.

These universities, their students and alumni once represented the pinnacle of our countries meritocracy, not any longer…
 
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On the topic of education, I attended an Ivy League graduation this past weekend. I’m just a simple yokel from the Midwest and had only been on one other Ivy League campus before so I’m embarrassed to admit that going in, I was actually a little excited. If only for the mystique and history oozing from these institutions.

In the days I spent there walking around the beautiful campus, interacting with the graduate’s friends, hearing from the faculty at both the university wide and smaller school graduation, I couldn’t get this one descriptor to stop running through my mind……. “pampered mediocrity”.

If these kids are the future of America, we are truly and genuinely f*cked. The average Kelley would run circles around these people.

After what seemed like a two hour long honorary degree, self congratulatory, circle jerk, the commencement address began. It was to be given by Ken Burns, a once great documentarian.

Burns proceeded to tell the audience that history is not fixed, it is not to be accepted as settled events in our past to draw lasting lessons from.

Instead it is incumbent upon each generation to analyze history through their respective lense and draw their own conclusions based on the standards we now hold today. Burns could not, and would not, extoll any of the virtues of the University founder, Benjamin Franklin, without subsequently qualifying it by mentioning one of his vices.

These universities, their students and alumni once represented the pinnacle of our countries meritocracy, not any longer…
Epic first post.
 
On the topic of education, I attended an Ivy League graduation this past weekend. I’m just a simple yokel from the Midwest and had only been on one other Ivy League campus before so I’m embarrassed to admit that going in, I was actually a little excited. If only for the mystique and history oozing from these institutions.

In the days I spent there walking around the beautiful campus, interacting with the graduate’s friends, hearing from the faculty at both the university wide and smaller school graduation, I couldn’t get this one descriptor to stop running through my mind……. “pampered mediocrity”.

If these kids are the future of America, we are truly and genuinely f*cked. The average Kelley would run circles around these people.

After what seemed like a two hour long honorary degree, self congratulatory, circle jerk, the commencement address began. It was to be given by Ken Burns, a once great documentarian.

Burns proceeded to tell the audience that history is not fixed, it is not to be accepted as settled events in our past to draw lasting lessons from.

Instead it is incumbent upon each generation to analyze history through their respective lense and draw their own conclusions based on the standards we now hold today. Burns could not, and would not, extoll any of the virtues of the University founder, Benjamin Franklin, without subsequently qualifying it by mentioning one of his vices.

These universities, their students and alumni once represented the pinnacle of our countries meritocracy, not any longer…
Don’t you be talking about Penn like that. West Philly for life!
 
On the topic of education, I attended an Ivy League graduation this past weekend. I’m just a simple yokel from the Midwest and had only been on one other Ivy League campus before so I’m embarrassed to admit that going in, I was actually a little excited. If only for the mystique and history oozing from these institutions.

In the days I spent there walking around the beautiful campus, interacting with the graduate’s friends, hearing from the faculty at both the university wide and smaller school graduation, I couldn’t get this one descriptor to stop running through my mind……. “pampered mediocrity”.

If these kids are the future of America, we are truly and genuinely f*cked. The average Kelley would run circles around these people.

After what seemed like a two hour long honorary degree, self congratulatory, circle jerk, the commencement address began. It was to be given by Ken Burns, a once great documentarian.

Burns proceeded to tell the audience that history is not fixed, it is not to be accepted as settled events in our past to draw lasting lessons from.

Instead it is incumbent upon each generation to analyze history through their respective lense and draw their own conclusions based on the standards we now hold today. Burns could not, and would not, extoll any of the virtues of the University founder, Benjamin Franklin, without subsequently qualifying it by mentioning one of his vices.

These universities, their students and alumni once represented the pinnacle of our countries meritocracy, not any longer…
Don’t you be talking about Penn like that. West Philly for life!
The snobbery just oozes!
Hey this guy drops his first post and says that the kids graduating from one of the top universities in the country are a bunch of dumb dumbs. I had to spring into a defensive posture.

Related, my graduation speaker was….Bill Cosby. Oof. Aged very very poorly.
 
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Don’t you be talking about Penn like that. West Philly for life!

Hey this guy drops his first post and says that the kids graduating from one of the top universities in the country are a bunch of dumb dumbs. I had to spring into a defensive posture.

Related, my graduation speaker was….Bill Cosby. Oof. Aged very very poorly.
In fairness I still don't understand why you don't run around with a bunch of kushner types
 
I think this is interesting. Stl City has had a mass exodus largely owing to crime and poor schools. Now the city school district is set to bump teachers' salaries. They will now be the second highest paid teachers in the area, only behind Clayton, which is probably the best school district in the state. I'm excited to read this and will be interested to see if this attracts better teachers and elevates the district. Teacher pay seems to me the simplest way to improve a district
 
I think this is interesting. Stl City has had a mass exodus largely owing to crime and poor schools. Now the city school district is set to bump teachers' salaries. They will now be the second highest paid teachers in the area, only behind Clayton, which is probably the best school district in the state. I'm excited to read this and will be interested to see if this attracts better teachers and elevates the district. Teacher pay seems to me the simplest way to improve a district
Anti-Chicago (union) rants in 3...2...1...
 
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On the topic of education, I attended an Ivy League graduation this past weekend. I’m just a simple yokel from the Midwest and had only been on one other Ivy League campus before so I’m embarrassed to admit that going in, I was actually a little excited. If only for the mystique and history oozing from these institutions.

In the days I spent there walking around the beautiful campus, interacting with the graduate’s friends, hearing from the faculty at both the university wide and smaller school graduation, I couldn’t get this one descriptor to stop running through my mind……. “pampered mediocrity”.

If these kids are the future of America, we are truly and genuinely f*cked. The average Kelley would run circles around these people.

After what seemed like a two hour long honorary degree, self congratulatory, circle jerk, the commencement address began. It was to be given by Ken Burns, a once great documentarian.

Burns proceeded to tell the audience that history is not fixed, it is not to be accepted as settled events in our past to draw lasting lessons from.

Instead it is incumbent upon each generation to analyze history through their respective lense and draw their own conclusions based on the standards we now hold today. Burns could not, and would not, extoll any of the virtues of the University founder, Benjamin Franklin, without subsequently qualifying it by mentioning one of his vices.

These universities, their students and alumni once represented the pinnacle of our countries meritocracy, not any longer…
Great post. These institutions take great minds and turn them to mush. It's a crime.
 
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Harvard, Yale, Columbia, & Princeton
(gap)
Cornell, Brown (for undergrads, not much of a grad program)
(gap)
Dartmouth, Penn


Penn has a better grad program than many of the others, I'll give you that.
 
I think this is interesting. Stl City has had a mass exodus largely owing to crime and poor schools. Now the city school district is set to bump teachers' salaries. They will now be the second highest paid teachers in the area, only behind Clayton, which is probably the best school district in the state. I'm excited to read this and will be interested to see if this attracts better teachers and elevates the district. Teacher pay seems to me the simplest way to improve a district
I'm not sure about this. Increasing pay is supposed to incentive the hiring of NEW and better employees. That takes a long time to work its way through a system. Then, for maximum effect, you need to wait because you need to give the new and better teachers (if they come) time to learn, and time their teaching methods to take hold and show evidence at the high school level (which is what is the most important ultimate benchmark).

I'm not sure many people have the patience to let that process work itself out, and it is really hard to control the teacher pay variable as the only one given all the other things that change in a school system.
 
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