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More HS students are taking dual enrollment college classes now rather than AP classes. Some students come to college with 30+ credit hours.
So equal to many of the comments on several threads here? I mean, I was just referring to a study out of a management book.
Maybe, but not in place of honors classes. At least here, I'm seeing a lot more kids who were in "honors" classes taking AP classes rather than dual enrollment college classes (which typically seem to be community college/JC classes or online classes.) Maybe it's different where you are, but that's what we're seeing.
AP courses were generally not offered until Junior/Senior year of high school when I was in school. Unless that has changed, you are holding back advanced students for 10 or 11 of their 13 years in school with that method.
My third grader is in an advanced class. He is doing 4th grade math. When he was in kindergarten and first grade before they did the testing to see where kids were at academically, he was bored out of his mind and that showed up in him acting out in class. Nothing horrible, but restlessness.
And again I will point out the formula for this show.
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Honors classes don’t do much - maybe bump your GPA a bit. AP has huge benefits and is where the real achievement is reflected.
The honors classes in earlier years help lay the foundation for the AP. You are able to move quicker over material which allows you to cover more and/or you can also hit similar topics with a greater level of complexity.
Again, FWIW, there's research that suggests an "honors" class in 3rd grade may not be as helpful for him as non-segregated classes where he moves at his own pace and strengthens his own learning by helping other students.
The word is "you're" and it's not a lie to state a fact. Trump lost the election in a landslide. That's a fact. You're seriously deluded if you honestly believe the big lie from Trump about massive voter fraud. That 2,000 Mules movie doesn't prove anything that you think it does. It was put together to bilk people like you out of your money. You're embarrassing yourself and Republicans.
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It is like an accelerated class, honors is probably the wrong word for it. There is still the ability for the kids within that type of accelerated learning environment to do the things you suggest. The kids are not robots so there is always going to be some degree of difference around how quickly they are absorbing material.
However, going back to my main point, lars was saying that there is no way that places like Carmel would do away with these advanced classes. Seems to be a whole bunch of people arguing for just that. Which gets back to my point. "You're crazy for thinking that would happen. Well it is happening but that is not the norm. Well yeah it is happening almost everywhere and this is why it should be the norm." You could see that play out in just this thread alone.
At least as of now, even the People's Republic of Bloomington still has honors programs.
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Do the Btown socialists plan on adding Communism curriculum like Florida?At least as of now, even the People's Republic of Bloomington still has honors programs.
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Yeah, I am not saying this is happening in our area now (no honors classes). Indiana is on the conservative end of the spectrum, this stuff usually hits our areas last.At least as of now, even the People's Republic of Bloomington still has honors programs.
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What I am saying is that the foundation that allowed for that argument in areas that are further down the DEI tracks from us is being laid in Indiana now. We're in the "You are crazy to think this is what we want and could happen here" phase. Places like mentioned in the OP or Virginia or areas in California that are further down the track are in the "This is good and here is why" phase.
We are allowed to be proactive. If you notice several of your neighbors' houses burned down because of faulty wiring, you are kind of dumb to wait until you smell smoke to check yours.
The most humane form of education is mastery learning. If it’s something everyone should know then everyone should learn it. It inevitably takes longer for some than others so why leave some behind or make others wait? It doesn’t make sense for someone to get 60% or 70% or 80% or even 90% of the skill.
Mastery learning doesn’t preclude lots of social interaction either. It’s simply a win win win win win.
Musk's recent comments on China are interesting. He said they don't burn the midnight oil they burn the 3 am oil and Americans don't want to work. This reality will likely exacerbate that problem.
I don't disagree with that. Which is where I think "Honors", "Advanced", "Remedial", "General", etc. courses come into play.
I think this might be the "bingo" comment. "Honors" in elementary school might be a bit of overkill when learning how to learn might be the most important skill.
Can you imagine the conversations with parents in Carmel when they are told their 2nd grader did not qualify for the advanced class?
That’s a click bait comment. China is a state run country. The workers are miserable and suicide rates are high. Americans want to work just fine, but we also want to enjoy the fruits of our labor. Work hard, make good financial decisions, and move on.
His comment is like saying the Chinese are great at R&D because they steal IP. Well, in America we don’t do that.
I think most parents want what is best for their child. I have one that was ready for that and three that weren't. Each of them were where they belonged and moving them could have been detrimental fo each. There are crazy people out there, but I think most have a rational grasp on their child's current educational ability.
No you just believe a lie. Go live with it suits you well. Every f*cking pub I know in Carmel BELIEVES the election was stolen. You all live in a bubble and its called the little deluded world of the WC.
He made it in the context of manufacturing. Insert Vietnam, Pakistan, Central America. They work harder. There's no factory in the US that we can message at 3 am. We do it in Pakistan all the time. So couple regs and our lack of willingness to work those hours it's part of the puzzle why we lost manufacturing.
To musk's point how will we compete when countries like China and India have more stem grads AND burn the 3 am oil
Just because you do, doesn't mean most do.
(Like how I both complimented you and insulted you in one sentence?
)You may want to pump the breaks, wtf.
As a troll, you are dangerously close to jumping the shark. You have to leave 'em guessing.
One of the basic societal functions of industrial age (assembly line) education is ranking graduates of the school system. Ranking isn’t inherently inhumane but our current system is. This is another example of why mastery learning is humane. Each pupil is expected to master each piece of prerequisite content before moving on to the next. No pupil is left behind, each pupil gains self-confidence in mastery. Ranking occurs through quantity of material mastered.
And as hoosboot pointed out, there is no need to separate pupils because social interaction is significant and important part of growth and that occurs as a natural part of mastery learning.
And as hoosboot pointed out, there is no need to separate pupils because social interaction is significant and important part of growth and that occurs as a natural part of mastery learning.
Well we could do it like higher education. Have them come here. Offer great career opportunities with a work life balance. A lot of Indian doctors in America.
You know better than most, manufacturing is gone because of costs. Hell look at how it moves around the third world. When Vietnam gets too expensive the shirts are made in Bangladesh.
When in high school there was a cadet teaching program for those of us exploring the idea of perusing a career in education. I was assigned to assist a fifth grade teacher in a low income neighborhood.
The teacher selected six very low IQ students to study math each day with my help. The students didn't know why they selected but felt special. Might think of this as a reverse honors class.
At any rate, with the special help these students went from struggling with problems dealing with fractions to being average and above. Could not help but wonder if it was because they felt special or because of the extra guided study. Probably both.
To this day, I believe most of us can master a subject which isn't extremely difficult but can be useful in dealing with life if we spend enough time learning it. The time Learning it depending on our aptitudes on a particulate subject and our overall intelligence.
In other words, it is the slow learners who should be in the honors class.
The teacher selected six very low IQ students to study math each day with my help. The students didn't know why they selected but felt special. Might think of this as a reverse honors class.
At any rate, with the special help these students went from struggling with problems dealing with fractions to being average and above. Could not help but wonder if it was because they felt special or because of the extra guided study. Probably both.
To this day, I believe most of us can master a subject which isn't extremely difficult but can be useful in dealing with life if we spend enough time learning it. The time Learning it depending on our aptitudes on a particulate subject and our overall intelligence.
In other words, it is the slow learners who should be in the honors class.
I've posted several times about the long-standing Factory Model of Education that has been around for decades more than once. I get crickets.
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Is this a troll? If so it’s hilarious.
Well shit then, let's just weed the kids out in kindergarten and hand a 1/4 of them a shovel.
Don't they sort of do that in England? By or in high school you get tracked - college or vocational etc
It’s all jargon, that’s what is wrong with it. Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is the jargon of wokeism and other liberal handwringing. One reason we have jargon is to enable perpetual conversation and meaningless action that doesn’t accomplish much if it accomplpushes anything. The problem is that Black kids are not receiving good educations. That problem is not addressed by elite institutions patting themselves on the back by creating offices, policies, and images of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. A DEI office in Carmel schools, Carmel municipal government, or Carmel business doesn’t do a damn thing for a problem that is going from bad to worse as I write this. Jargon and DEI just makes people feel like they are helping.
Just the ones that don't eat their meat
Thank you, but I do truly believe most people are not crazy.Just because you do, doesn't mean most do.
(Like how I both complimented you and insulted you in one sentence?
You know a lot of illogical and, sorry, possibly stupid people apparently. Believing a lie doesn’t make the lie true - it’s still a lie. You remind me of the 9/11 Truthers during the Bush years. Their theories were also illogical and evidence free. I used to laugh at them because they were mostly moonbats and Democratic voters. This big lie thing is more sad to me because it’s mostly Trumpsters and wingnuts who at least vote Republican most of the time which I still think is usually the right choice except for Trump and hard core illogical Trumpsters.
By the way, the people I work with are overwhelmingly former military and Republican. I don’t know a single one of more than a hundred that believe the big lie and several, maybe most, voted for Trump. Voting for Trump doesn’t require you to believe illogical and stupid conspiracy theories. The sooner you realize that the better off you’ll be.
Also, it’s people like you in Georgia that cost us one or both Senate races and gave us a Democrat-controlled Senate. The big lie has consequences.
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