Produce equal students

[stollcpa]

More Woke Dem policies to get equal outcome for everyone. SMH

Barrington parents want their honors classes back; school board meets Monday to discuss

In the highest-performing school district in Rhode Island, parents are in a tizzy over eliminating honors classes.

www.providencejournal.com

 

[larsIU]

Hi, Dem here.

This is stupid.

The End.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

“Not everyone rises up so we’ll just bring everyone else down” is classic deranged progressive thinking.

 

[IUCrazy2]

“Not everyone rises up so we’ll just bring everyone else down” is classic deranged progressive thinking.

It is equity.

We should be providing equality of opportunity for everyone to learn to the best of their ability. Forcing equitable results is a devolution to the lowest common denominator.

If you are a liberal, Democrat, or whatever and you think "this is stupid" then get on board the train that has been pointed out in several threads about what is happening in schools. At a certain point all of this anecdotal evidence that "this isn't happening many places" should lead you all to conclude that it is gaining steam.

 

[larsIU]

If you are a liberal, Democrat, or whatever and you think "this is stupid" then get on board the train that has been pointed out in several threads about what is happening in schools

If anybody running for Carmel school board advocated this nonsense they aren't getting my vote. D, R, L, whatever.

This whole "deleveling" argument is dumb unless we're talking about how we're changing instruction across the board, up and down to actually do that. And, no, nobody is talking about how to radically change instruction to actually accomplish the deleveling goals.

 

[IUCrazy2]

If anybody running for Carmel school board advocated this nonsense they aren't getting my vote. D, R, L, whatever.

This whole "deleveling" argument is dumb unless we're talking about how we're changing instruction across the board, up and down to actually do that. And, no, nobody is talking about how to radically change instruction to actually accomplish the deleveling goals.

Diversity, EQUITY, and Inclusion.

It is in every school. They generally are not blatant about what that means like in the posted story. You think when DEI was introduced in those schools that any of them thought, "Hey, we are probably losing honors classes to this." Heck no.

The schools being outed in the stories you see now are the leading edge. Yeah, honors classes are not disappearing from Carmel now but the argument to do so had enough strength behind it that it is being attempted in places.

"Nobody is going to put guys in girl sports...that's silly." Mmhmm.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

If anybody running for Carmel school board advocated this nonsense they aren't getting my vote. D, R, L, whatever.

This whole "deleveling" argument is dumb unless we're talking about how we're changing instruction across the board, up and down to actually do that. And, no, nobody is talking about how to radically change instruction to actually accomplish the deleveling goals.

you want to go with 'almost nobody....yet'?

 

[Indianaftw]

The weird thing is there is no reasoning behind it. I heard a teacher and mom on TV this morning talk about the school system there and it sounds identical, even to the terminology they use here in Hamilton County. If thats the case it makes no sense the level the playing field. The separation allows kids that are not as sharp to work on weaknesses to become stronger. IDK if its a "Woke" thing, but hopefully they get back what they had. It works well here.

 

[Lucy01]

The weird thing is there is no reasoning behind it. I heard a teacher and mom on TV this morning talk about the school system there and it sounds identical, even to the terminology they use here in Hamilton County. If thats the case it makes no sense the level the playing field. The separation allows kids that are not as sharp to work on weaknesses to become stronger. IDK if its a "Woke" thing, but hopefully they get back what they had. It works well here.

It’s a tool to help create future Mayor’s for
Big Cities!

 

[mushroomgod_1]

More Woke Dem policies to get equal outcome for everyone. SMH

Barrington parents want their honors classes back; school board meets Monday to discuss

In the highest-performing school district in Rhode Island, parents are in a tizzy over eliminating honors classes.

www.providencejournal.com

I love how their response to parents' bitching is always "we did a poor job of communicating". They always think that they can make that shit casserole taste better if they get the right sauce.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

It’s a tool to help create future Mayor’s for
Big Cities!

If you didn't have dumb people, you wouldn't have Trumpers. You should be thankful

 

[Indianaftw]

If you didn't have dumb people, you wouldn't have Trumpers. You should be thankful

Says one of the few Biden voters. Biden lost hick its all on film. Trumpers knew it all the time. Your problem is you can't handle truth or knowledge and don't even know where the latter begins.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

every school.

Similarly, it's poisoned corporate culture. Those that emphasize and focus on DEI over real business priorities are going to lose share over time.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Says one of the few Biden voters. Biden lost hick its all on film. Trumpers knew it all the time. Your problem is you can't handle truth or knowledge and don't even know where the latter begins.

That’s not a good comeback. There were 7 million more voters for Biden than for Trump. Trump lost in a landslide to the guy you think is dumber than him.

 

[76-1]

“Not everyone rises up so we’ll just bring everyone else down” is classic deranged progressive thinking.

That's a classic old school Communist approach to their version of leveling the playing field... Bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator rather than encouraging anyone to excel... Which is both incredibly stupid and incredibly dangerous in regards to the future of our country...

The Democratic National Committee is the most gutless organization on the planet... You know they want to Identify as Communists but they're too afraid to come out of the closet...

Those people have to be stopped...

 

[IUCrazy2]

If anybody running for Carmel school board advocated this nonsense they aren't getting my vote. D, R, L, whatever.

This whole "deleveling" argument is dumb unless we're talking about how we're changing instruction across the board, up and down to actually do that. And, no, nobody is talking about how to radically change instruction to actually accomplish the deleveling goals.

Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion - Carmel Clay Schools

Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion - Carmel Clay Schools

www.ccs.k12.in.us

The Equity of Honors Classes? - Fearless Teachers

This post explores the inequity that honors classes perpetuate as well as possible solutions.

fearlessteachers.com

I find it interesting that you believe that Carmel has some secret formula that will protect it from this dumbassery. They don't. They have the groundwork in the school already. The article I linked along with "How to be an antiracist" type of training is the "development" teachers in my district on the other side of the county from you get more often than not on the 3 days every school year that kids e-learn while they develop.

In five years, as a Democrat, you will be arguing the same points as the Fearless Teacher article. I have seen this movie before. First we are crazy for bringing it up, this isn't happening because no one would agree to this. Then it is only happening in rare instances and stop worrying because the majority of people would not buy this. Finally it is happening everywhere and how dare you question the basic goodness and wholesomeness of this thing that I labeled crazy five years ago. This franchise is like the Fast and the Furious. There is a tried and true formula.

 

[Cortez88]

Hi, Dem here.

This is stupid.

The End.

Not a Dem but agree 100 with this post. We are all different and have different abilities. It’s fine. The best kid on the football team doesn’t get to play 1 singles on the golf team. It’s OK.

 

[IUJIM]

The idea of teaching down to the level of underachievers, vs teaching up to the level of high achievers is becoming more and more common. Unfortunately, it is not ourselves we are competing with. When the China's and India's of the world have many more students proficient in the areas of STEM, that will be a problem.

 

[outside shooter]

“Not everyone rises up so we’ll just bring everyone else down” is classic deranged progressive thinking.

fify

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

That's a classic old school Communist approach to their version of leveling the playing field... Bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator rather than encouraging anyone to excel... Which is both incredibly stupid and incredibly dangerous in regards to the future of our country...

The Democratic National Committee is the most gutless organization on the planet... You know they want to Identify as Communists but they're too afraid to come out of the closet...

Those people have to be stopped...

When will the GNC come up with with a plan outside of "Just obey whatever Trump says"? Do they have the brain power to do so?

Doubtful but inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Cortez88]

The idea of teaching down to the level of underachievers, vs teaching up to the level of high achievers is becoming more and more common. Unfortunately, it is not ourselves we are competing with. When the China's and India's of the world have many more students proficient in the areas of STEM, that will be a problem.

For this country to remain great we need to encourage and challenge the best and brightest to do the hard things. It’s not optional, it’s absolutely necessary.

 

[outside shooter]

Progressive thinking is actually tailoring class activities to varying aptitude levels, such as having different reading level groups that challenge everyone. The dumb DANCs can read Green Eggs and Ham while the smart shooters read Of Mice and Men

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

More Woke Dem policies to get equal outcome for everyone. SMH

Barrington parents want their honors classes back; school board meets Monday to discuss

In the highest-performing school district in Rhode Island, parents are in a tizzy over eliminating honors classes.

www.providencejournal.com

Not sure how this is a dem thing. Just looks like a school board making a dumb decision.

Or you just politicizing everything because you're just a partisan hack?

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Progressive thinking is actually tailoring class activities to varying aptitude levels, such as having different reading level groups that challenge everyone. The dumb DANCs can read Green Eggs and Ham while the smart shooters read Of Mice and Men

you're the mouse

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Not sure how this is a dem thing. Just looks like a school board making a dumb decision.

Or you just politicizing everything because you're just a partisan hack?

If it's idiotic, it's a dem thing. Try paying attention.

 

[jsig]

If you didn't have dumb people, you wouldn't have Trumpers. You should be thankful

Exactly. People like Trump and his followers come about because the Republican and Democratic politicians are full of and nothing but dumb fools that would struggle in a real job outside of politics. If the US govt. was a company it would no longer exist because folks like Biden have been running it in the ground for 50 or so years. The only reason Trump is a Rep or Dem is the broken process that forces one to go thru the duopoly. I'll never vote for Trump but am a big fan of how he has the Party of hate, hate'n on him and his followers. He is gone and that is alll the Party of Hate wants to talk about. Eventually someone else will try to fix the broken process and folks will jump on that person's bandwagon. The real answer is to quit supporting anything related to the Dem or Rep party.

 

[Indianaftw]

That’s not a good comeback. There were 7 million more voters for Biden than for Trump. Trump lost in a landslide to the guy you think is dumber than him.

No you're a liar and your wrong! The evidence is in Aloha. Your BS disinfo peddling schtick is old and proven wrong now. Its all on film. 4 million minutes of it Aloha. Your Dem led fbi and doj are in on it too or else they would be arresting people right now for their crimes, but they aren't. But you continue living a lie Aloha.

 

[TMFT]

No you're a liar and your wrong! The evidence is in Aloha. Your BS disinfo peddling schtick is old and proven wrong now. Its all on film. 4 million minutes of it Aloha. Your Dem led fbi and doj are in on it too or else they would be arresting people right now for their crimes, but they aren't. But you continue living a lie Aloha.

<Poe's Law has entered the chat>

 

[Lucy01]

When will the GNC come up with with a plan outside of "Just obey whatever Trump says"? Do they have the brain power to do so?

Doubtful but inquiring minds want to know.

We’ll Duh, we know that GNC is a vitamin store.

 

[larsIU]

Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion - Carmel Clay Schools

Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion - Carmel Clay Schools

www.ccs.k12.in.us

The Equity of Honors Classes? - Fearless Teachers

This post explores the inequity that honors classes perpetuate as well as possible solutions.

fearlessteachers.com

I find it interesting that you believe that Carmel has some secret formula that will protect it from this dumbassery. They don't. They have the groundwork in the school already. The article I linked along with "How to be an antiracist" type of training is the "development" teachers in my district on the other side of the county from you get more often than not on the 3 days every school year that kids e-learn while they develop.

In five years, as a Democrat, you will be arguing the same points as the Fearless Teacher article. I have seen this movie before. First we are crazy for bringing it up, this isn't happening because no one would agree to this. Then it is only happening in rare instances and stop worrying because the majority of people would not buy this. Finally it is happening everywhere and how dare you question the basic goodness and wholesomeness of this thing that I labeled crazy five years ago. This franchise is like the Fast and the Furious. There is a tried and true formula.

Well, Carmel does have some secret sauce mostly in the form of money and influence and not being a bastion of uber left progressivism.

Also no, even as a Dem there is no way getting rid of higher level ed classes makes any sense. The article you linked (and this has nothing to do with you) is written by a moron.

Things I believe:

1. The Honors track in school should not be "set" at a young age. Kids should be able to move into and out of it based on their performance

2. Nobody should be forced into an honors class by the school

3. We should focus on bringing the floor up instead of the ceiling down.

Those beliefs are highly unlikely to change.

 

[larsIU]

Similarly, it's poisoned corporate culture. Those that emphasize and focus on DEI over real business priorities are going to lose share over time.

Don't get me started. I manage a results based organization and will do so until they box my shit up and move me out.

One of our corporate values right now is mindfulness.

Seriously.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

If it's idiotic, it's a dem thing. Try paying attention.

I think you have that backwards trumper

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

More Woke Dem policies to get equal outcome for everyone. SMH

Barrington parents want their honors classes back; school board meets Monday to discuss

In the highest-performing school district in Rhode Island, parents are in a tizzy over eliminating honors classes.

www.providencejournal.com

This one is probably a bit of a nothing burger. Honestly. Honors English - whatever the hell that is - won’t be offered but neither will remedial English. AP classes are still available per the article. The kids that were in remedial English had 88% proficiency which tells me they don’t need remedial English at scale. So, get those kids out of remedial and into normal and you might raise the overall class level naturally. Honors is available as a project but AP remains separate - as AP actually provides tangible benefit to kids.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I think you have that backwards trumper

Grover, I challenge you to get through one day - just one day - without mentioning Trump or Jan 6.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Well, Carmel does have some secret sauce mostly in the form of money and influence and not being a bastion of uber left progressivism.

Also no, even as a Dem there is no way getting rid of higher level ed classes makes any sense. The article you linked (and this has nothing to do with you) is written by a moron.

Things I believe:

1. The Honors track in school should not be "set" at a young age. Kids should be able to move into and out of it based on their performance

2. Nobody should be forced into an honors class by the school

3. We should focus on bringing the floor up instead of the ceiling down.

Those beliefs are highly unlikely to change.

I don't agree with your open and close but the body is correct.

Fast and Furious. "That dumb shit won't happen here, that is for crazy places like California." Famous last words. And again, I have seen far too many instances of Democrats who will argue with you until they are blue in the face that you are crazy to believe X thing would ever happen. Until it starts happening. Then those are outliers. Then it is happening almost everywhere and now you are crazy to not agree with the thing we told you that you were crazy to believe was happening back in step one because it is crazy.

This is literally the formula.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Grover, I challenge you to get through one day - just one day - without mentioning Trump or Jan 6.

I gave up on him. Discussing (arguing) with some of the people on here challenges your viewpoint. Arguing with others is just rolling with a pig in it's own shit. Hickory is the leader of the latter.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion - Carmel Clay Schools

Diversity, Equity, & Inclusion - Carmel Clay Schools

www.ccs.k12.in.us

The Equity of Honors Classes? - Fearless Teachers

This post explores the inequity that honors classes perpetuate as well as possible solutions.

fearlessteachers.com

I find it interesting that you believe that Carmel has some secret formula that will protect it from this dumbassery. They don't. They have the groundwork in the school already. The article I linked along with "How to be an antiracist" type of training is the "development" teachers in my district on the other side of the county from you get more often than not on the 3 days every school year that kids e-learn while they develop.

In five years, as a Democrat, you will be arguing the same points as the Fearless Teacher article. I have seen this movie before. First we are crazy for bringing it up, this isn't happening because no one would agree to this. Then it is only happening in rare instances and stop worrying because the majority of people would not buy this. Finally it is happening everywhere and how dare you question the basic goodness and wholesomeness of this thing that I labeled crazy five years ago. This franchise is like the Fast and the Furious. There is a tried and true formula.

I'm not going to pour through the site, but from that site I see this:

Diversity - The broad set of visible and invisible dimensions that encompass the many ways in which people, processes, and perspectives differ. Dimensions include but are not limited to: Abilities/Disabilities, Age, Culture, Education, Ethnicity, Gender, Gender Expression, Gender Identity, Learning Styles, Military/Veteran Status, Race, Religion, Sexual Orientation, and Socioeconomic Status.

Equity - Equity results from ensuring that everyone has what they need to succeed. It includes identifying and removing personal and systemic barriers that limit the full participation of all individuals and groups.

Inclusion - The act of creating involvement, environments, and empowerment in which any individual or group can be and feel welcomed, respected, supported, and valued to fully participate.

My question is, what exactly in there is horrible? Should we not try to allow for diversity, equity, or inclusion? Or is there specific wording elsewhere that is terrible?

 

[IUclover]

Similarly, it's poisoned corporate culture. Those that emphasize and focus on DEI over real business priorities are going to lose share over time.

Nah. Studies show a diverse workplace is good for new ideas and business. I know some on here love the groupthink though.

 

[hoosboot]

This one is probably a bit of a nothing burger. Honestly. Honors English - whatever the hell that is - won’t be offered but neither will remedial English. AP classes are still available per the article. The kids that were in remedial English had 88% proficiency which tells me they don’t need remedial English at scale. So, get those kids out of remedial and into normal and you might raise the overall class level naturally. Honors is available as a project but AP remains separate - as AP actually provides tangible benefit to kids.

All good points. AP classes are where the higher level instruction happens in high school anyway. And in elementary and middle school, there's research that suggests that you can achieve higher level mastery by not separating the classes if it's taught well with a focus on each student moving at a pace that more specifically addresses their individual needs and abilities. The theory is that students who are accelerated can develop greater mastery of the material because they are positioned to help classmates who are behind (and cement their own learning more by "teaching") while the students who are behind benefit from exposure to their accelerated classmates. We had good experiences in this fashion in SPAN classes.

 

[IUCrazy2]

I'm not going to pour through the site, but from that site I see this:

Diversity - The broad set of visible and invisible dimensions that encompass the many ways in which people, processes, and perspectives differ. Dimensions include but are not limited to: Abilities/Disabilities, Age, Culture, Education, Ethnicity, Gender, Gender Expression, Gender Identity, Learning Styles, Military/Veteran Status, Race, Religion, Sexual Orientation, and Socioeconomic Status.

Equity - Equity results from ensuring that everyone has what they need to succeed. It includes identifying and removing personal and systemic barriers that limit the full participation of all individuals and groups.

Inclusion - The act of creating involvement, environments, and empowerment in which any individual or group can be and feel welcomed, respected, supported, and valued to fully participate.

My question is, what exactly in there is horrible? Should we not try to allow for diversity, equity, or inclusion? Or is there specific wording elsewhere that is terrible?

Nothing there appearss horrible. It is a Trojan Horse. I did a quick tie in within that post to show how these things that sound alright on their face end up letting other stuff in.

"It includes identifying and removing personal and systemic barriers that limit the full participation of all individuals and groups." Honors classes and AP classes are systemic barriers that deny the full participation of all individuals and groups.