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He's the best and does not bull shit people. His audience is obviously a pro Trump crowd but he gives it straight. In 22 when the early returns started coming in out of VA he was immediately like uh oh pump the breaks this isn't what we want.

He's also said to watch the returns coming out of Pike and Vigo when Indiana closes at 5. Should tell us a lot.
 
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He's the best and does not bull shit people. His audience is obviously a pro Trump crowd but he gives it straight. In 22 when the early returns started coming in out of VA he was immediately like uh oh pump the breaks this isn't what we want.

He's also said to watch the returns coming out of Pike and Vigo when Indiana closes at 5. Should tell us a lot.
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Basham doesn't like Trump btw but he's been one of the top pollsters in the Trump era.

 
The GOP is basing the idea that Dems won't vote on election day on 2020 results, but that's a dubious proposition. Before 2020 it was GOP voters who voted early, esp in the southern battlegrounds of AZ and NV. That changed in 2020, but a huge part of that was Dems were a lot more Covid conscious and simply preferred to avoid huge crowds.

Most Dem analysts I follow believe there are 2 factors not being addressed, First off they expected a larger increase in GOP participation, based on traditional patterns and a push for early voting among GOP voters. and as a result Dems still have a lead in key states like PA. The GOP optimism comes from a belief that Dem ED vote will be down, but the fact is in a state like PA the early Dem vote only comprised around 13% of Dems who voted on ED in 2020.

That means the Dems have still been able to compile a lead,basically relying on a portion of those who voted early in 2020, as well as new voters. That means the ED vote for Dems in 2024 should be basically intact, and supplemented by new voters and 2020 early voters who shift to ED.That's where the dem GOTV efforts come into play...

By contrast the GOP early vote consists of 93% or so people who voted in 2020. 46% of the 2024 early GOP vote consisted of people who also voted early in 2020. But 47% of current GOP early voters voted on ED in 2020. So in order to maintain their 2020 ED advantage, the GOP is going to have to replace a significant portion who voted on ED in 2020 but chose to vote early this year.

I'd also point out that of the 46% of early vote GOP registered voters who voted by mail again this year, they are coming mainly from counties where Haley did well in the Primary. Also GOP registered voters who voted by mail in 2020 were more likely to vote for Biden than Trump. So among that 46% you're drawing from a pool of GOP registered voters who statistically did not actually vote for Trump 4 yrs ago...

So in a state like PA it's going to boil down to which analysts are correct on their assumption of what the ED vote will look like. Trump has placed an emphasis on attracting young (mainly white) men but that did not show up in the early GOP vote. They are already the most difficult demographic to turn out, and I sure wouldn't put any $$ on a nimrod like Charlie Kirk being able to drive them to the polls to stand in long lines on election day. Women (young and old) are not only showing up in the early numbers, but (based on voting) seem to be far more engaged.

And with the huge gender gap (even wider in PA) it's easy for me to see why my favorite analyst who knew the "red Wave" was non-existant in 2022,based on the same type of available data, continues to say that he'd rather be in the Harris campaign than the Trump campaign. Working in politics for 30 yrs and having a ground level view of the two campaigns, he feels better about the advatges Harris has compared to Trump. Doesn't mean he'll be right this time because he was right in 2022, but I have faith in his analysis...
Farmers love this gift from the Biden administration

“Net cash farm income is forecast at $154.1 billion in 2024, a decrease of $12 billion (7.2 percent) relative to 2023 in nominal dollars. When adjusted for inflation, 2024 net cash farm income is forecast to decrease by $16.3 billion (9.6 percent) from 2023. Sep 5, 2024” USDA.gov report

Anybody happen with 10% lower income this year? One wonder what paper printed the MSM report about unhappy farmers. Exactly how many farmers did Kamala campaign with over the last three months? California liberals are up there with corn weevils in Iowa. Midwestern farm country is hurting this year. They are hard to poll as they are in the fields this time of year.

 
Not sure about political polls but I saw today Vegas betting is 62/38 Trump over Harris. Does Vegas ever get it wrong?
 
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So good his polls are banned! Not that he actually runs any polls. That would cost money and would require someone to hire him... Which nobody does.

Guy is a fkn clown. Runs a video on his Twitter feed in front of a fake news room background. Like he's ever set foot in a real studio.

A real pollster would actually be busy this time of year. Instead he just sits on Twitter all day everyday.
 
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The polls are what they are. They are snapshots of what the vote was at the moment the poll was taken.
They are snapshots of a GUESS made by the pollster. And the pollster can manipulate it to his/her/it desired outcome.

The last IOWA poll number was crazy.
 


Wow…I wonder if CA has turn in or turnout % for AA or Hispanic voters? Of course LA county is below the state average as is some of the Central Valley counties. This is really without precedent looking at 2020 numbers.
 


Wow…I wonder if CA has turn in or turnout % for AA or Hispanic voters? Of course LA county is below the state average as is some of the Central Valley counties. This is really without precedent looking at 2020 numbers.

Not sure what you mean. But comparing anything to the 2020 election seems like a waste of time.
 
They are snapshots of a GUESS made by the pollster. And the pollster can manipulate it to his/her/it desired outcome.

The last IOWA poll number was crazy.
I saw her interviewed, she asked what she had to gain by releasing an obviously wrong poll.

Wouldn't that destroy her credibility going forward


Here is the part partisans do not discuss. A poll may be listed as accurate to +-3.5%, the secret is, with 95% confidence.

Nate Silver took pollsters to task for herding, there have to be outliers. Even if the pollster performed brilliantly, there is a 5% chance the poll is wonky.

So that is most likely what happened. Not nefarious activity, just the 5%.

Look up Silver's article. He suggests the odds of PA being within 2 points or so in every single poll is extremely unlikely, something like 1 in 10 million.

The fact her's is probably off is really just proof she did not herd.
 
I saw her interviewed, she asked what she had to gain by releasing an obviously wrong poll.

Wouldn't that destroy her credibility going forward


Here is the part partisans do not discuss. A poll may be listed as accurate to +-3.5%, the secret is, with 95% confidence.

Nate Silver took pollsters to task for herding, there have to be outliers. Even if the pollster performed brilliantly, there is a 5% chance the poll is wonky.

So that is most likely what happened. Not nefarious activity, just the 5%.

Look up Silver's article. He suggests the odds of PA being within 2 points or so in every single poll is extremely unlikely, something like 1 in 10 million.

The fact her's is probably off is really just proof she did not herd.
I would have thought anyone with a brain would have known the number was wrong and did the poll again.
 
There's a ton of new voters, particularly in PA. Polls aren't capturing them.
I wish I could link some of Tom's charts, because I know most people don't have an hour to watch. But in terms of new registrants since 2020 the modeled Dem advantge of the early vote in PA is 36.2%. That is the highest of any of the batleground states, followed by AZ at 12.3%.

Overall the cumulative modeled Dem advantage for all the battleground states in the early vote is 7.8%. That's keeping with the overall cannibalization of 2020 votes by the GOP, as only about 7% of their early vote total in PA comes from people who didn't vote in 2020 (new voters). And nearly half of the GOP early vote total in PA comes from people who voted on election day in 2020. They've changed their mode of voting, but as of yet there is no evidence that they've increased their share of the overall electorate with new voters...

 
Yes!!! Legitimate voters will have their votes not counted!!! What a victory for democracy and Constitutionalists. This is how we win. LFG!!!
Should votes count through the end of the year this year or even next year?
 
This is like 2000 when the Gore team didn't want to count military absentee ballots if they weren't received by election day or were missing postmarks (which actually happens a lot with mail from ships) but dated and attested to prior to Election Day. I said, "**** Al Gore" then and I say "**** MAGA" now. if they're sent prior to election day and delayed in the mail they should be counted. They're probably going to disenfranchise military votes and could backfire on them.
 
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Should votes count through the end of the year this year or even next year?
States have a reasonable due date that accounts for mail delivery delays. The original reason in many states was to allow for receipt of military absentee ballots because mail from ships and the field take longer than mail from a base in a foreign country. Ship mail routinely takes up to three weeks either way. This is one that actually grinds my gears.
 
States have a reasonable due date that accounts for mail delivery delays. The original reason in many states was to allow for receipt of military absentee ballots because mail from ships and the field take longer than mail from a base in a foreign country. Ship mail routinely takes up to three weeks either way. This is one that actually grinds my gears.
Well the NV SC ruled that mail in ballots can be counted that come in days after the election even if they're not postmarked or you can't read the postmark.

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States have a reasonable due date that accounts for mail delivery delays. The original reason in many states was to allow for receipt of military absentee ballots because mail from ships and the field take longer than mail from a base in a foreign country. Ship mail routinely takes up to three weeks either way. This is one that actually grinds my gears.
Ding ding ding. There will absolutely be overseas military who will not have their votes counted. And these “Republicans” celebrate it. Shameful
 
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Here's a good read on understanding that reported poll numbers are entirely dependent upon the pollster making correct assumptions about the demographics that actually turnout.

Even a small changes in the turnout models greatly change the outcome.



 
Well the NV SC ruled that mail in ballots can be counted that come in days after the election even if they're not postmarked or you can't read the postmark.

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So the default is to throw away someone’s vote. That’s your position? True American here.

By the way, that’s not this Georgia case. These are timely mailed votes that are not going to be counted because the GOP always wants less voters.
 
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