Phinesee commits
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Thank you for the link. I had no idea IU had the top recruiting class in the Big 10 for 2017. Congrats to Justin Smith, Race Thompson, Clifton Moore, and Al Durham.
This is incredibly dumb. For his first class, Archie is doing remarkably well. And we've still got a good shot with Langford.
But if you want to have a truly accurate representation of how a recruit is being evaluated, you should use the composite and how he is being viewed overall. Simply stating his ranking on the site that you currently happen to be on as the definitive ranking is kind of lazy.
Ok I was simply stating Archie wasn't killing it in recruiting. This is a good foundation class and I think he has a great class in 19. All this could change if he lands romeo of course
Your lecturing people about how to evaluate recruiting? Seriously?
I think he is fugging murdering it.
What did you think was going to happen? He would step in and land 5 star after 5 star in his first few months.
He got 4 top 100 kids from the Midwest, two from Indiana, what more could you ask for in the first 5 months?
I said it's a solid class. I don't think it's elite by any means though
It's a good class and about all that could be expected given that Archie has been playing catch up. I was merely pointing out that we're never going to be elite with just a roster full of the guys he's landed thus far. You need a couple guys like Cody and Yogi to have a chance of going deep. We have plenty of foundation guys in Davis, Cujo, Greene, Smith, Moore, Thompson, Phinesee, Hunter, and Anderson. We now need to set our sites on a couple of stars. Hopefully we land Romeo. If not we need to land 2 in 2019 IMO.
He is much smarter than anyone else on here. Just ask him.
I'm guessing Langford or Garland will make it top 5 to 7 with both making it top 3. I seriously think we have a chance at Romeo. It's currently more feeling than any real information, though the information I do have says if he likes what he sees on the court this year, we have a good chance.
They were ranked #1 for most of the season, won the B1G outright, and if they had a coach who knew his ass from his elbow or how to attack a zone defense, would very well have won it all.
He regularly embellishes on just about any topic. I've been told why, so I try to not pile on. But it can be a bit much.
I notice No. 29 is Nick Weatherspoon. Is he the son of the Illinois Nick Weatherspoon?
Why can't people withhold these kinds of judgments until we see a product on the floor?
I don't ever recall, say, Bo Ryan lighting up the recruiting headlines (not that he was a slouch in that department) -- but he was a pretty damn successful coach, no?
That RL comment makes no sense. He has done VERY well, and yet if doesn't get one guy....he hasn't. I guess the recruits he has landed get worse when you don't get RL is that the logic?
How so? They were a #1 seed and had a chance to win it all. Without Cody and Yogi there would have been no chance.
What doesn't make sense? I'm saying it is a solid foundation class now...if you land Rome it goes from solid to a great class.
lol Wow, you REALLY worship the ranking down to the point. So if new rankings come out and suddenly he is top 10 or top 5, does your opinion change based on that publication?
I could agree that it's an above average class. Romeo makes it a great class. We can get back to where we were in the 80's when we are getting classes like that annually. We can still do great things with the current class being coached by a great staff like we have. But if we want to separate ourselves, you have great classes with great coaching.
What people need to slow down with is this is only a few months on the job. Rarely do coaches get quite the jump start as IU has. What he's got committed so far is shocking to even recruiting analysts. This is not a good start but a great one. Remember Creans first classes.....
I haven't contradicted myself at all. I think Archie is doing a great job and wouldn't trade him for any coach outside of Brad Stevens who definitely isn't leaving the NBA anytime soon. I simply said that we aren't going to compete for national titles with a roster of only fringe top 100 players. Archie needs to add a couple of 5 stars at some point. It doesn't have to be in 2018 nor should it given how far behind he started.
The same clowns who thought Crean walked on water will now call you a "hater" if you don't think Archie should be put in the Hall of Fame RIGHT NOW.
Phinesee looks like a solid 4 year player. Indiana kid. Welcome aboard! I will note that it took Archie a matter of months to recruit a bona fide college point guard and Crean about 4-5 years (Yogi).
Poor Verdell Jones.... I also liked Jordan Hulls....
They were good players. But, Verdell was a combo guard at best, not a natural PG. Jordy was an undersized shooting guard and not quick enough to be a D-1 PG.
That became your opinion after they played for IU. When they were recruited (which is the convo at hand) they're all PG's. Hard to argue that Rob will be any different when he has yet to play a game for IU.
No, that didn't become my opinion after they played for IU. I never thought of Verdell or Jordy as bona fide D-1 PG's coming into IU: this isn't a slam on them as players. To Tom Crean, maybe they are all PG's. However, there is a certain skill set and athletic ability required to be a D-1 PG. Verdell never had it. If Jordy was quicker, probably, but if my Aunt had balls, she'd be my Uncle.
Phinesee is a much better point guard prospect than either Jones or Hulls. And its really not close.
Are you sure about any of that? Does Caitlyn Jenner have her kids calling her mom? I'm guessing that's not how that works but you seem to be the expert recruiting analyst so I will leave that to you.
Lol really? You do realize Hulls chose IU before he was about to visit Duke. Phinesee chose IU over Purdue. Hulls was the 19th ranked PG in the class (just like Rob) and many called Hulls a a pure PG. Hindsight is always 20/20 but don't get things confused with what people thought Jordan was going to be at IU.
Look, Rob could end up being great. My point is that there are a lot more similarities here than not when it comes to the recruiting front. It's a great pick up but to use this as reasoning to bash Crean is based on a false premise.
Don't be too hard on those that are still dealing with post traumatic Crean disorder (PTCD). We are used to projecting how good our recruits will be without a development process in place.
I don't think this kid is "bone-fide D 1" either.
He's short and thin.
Not a super athlete like Yogi (who was a 5 star). Borderline 4 star (some have him as a 3).
If he's the best we've got for 4 years, we're screwed. Even as a senior, some one and done 5-star from Kaintuck would eat him up.
Miller has been at IU for ~4 months and has yet to coach a single IU game. One could make a comparative argument that he's "killing it" if you're going to bring up coaches like K and Calipari.
