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OT: I won't hire men because they don't look like me... or something like that.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/notr...l-coach-explains-why-she-will-stop-hiring-men
"People hire people who look like them. That's the problem." So I won't hire men because they don't look like me. Uh?

I believe the answer to your "Uh?" question is laid out in her other quotes.
So she’s going to hire “people who look like her”. Isn’t that what she’s complaining about. And sorry Ms muffett but the best coach in women’s basketball is a man!!
 
So she’s going to hire “people who look like her”. Isn’t that what she’s complaining about. And sorry Ms muffett but the best coach in women’s basketball is a man!!

Is that the man she regularly beats now?
 
So she’s going to hire “people who look like her”. Isn’t that what she’s complaining about. And sorry Ms muffett but the best coach in women’s basketball is a man!!
Exactly! She's a hypocrite if she's angry because "People hire people who look like them". The what in the sam hill is she doing demanding that people follow her failed example of "hiring people who look like her?" Typical hypocrite.
 
Notre Dame has beaten UConn two out of the last three games. Both victories came in the final four. However Notre Dame has also only beaten UConn two out of the last 10 games
 
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Exactly! She's a hypocrite if she's angry because "People hire people who look like them". The what in the sam hill is she doing demanding that people follow her failed example of "hiring people who look like her?" Typical hypocrite.
Yeah it's the guy with 11 titles.
Is that the man she regularly beats now?
Yeah, it's the guy with 11 titles. If you were starting a women's program, would you hire Muffet or him?
 
Yeah it's the guy with 11 titles.

Yeah, it's the guy with 11 titles. If you were starting a women's program, would you hire Muffet or him?

I don’t think you would go wrong with either one of them.

Why must this be an either/or thing? Muffet’s a great coach. So is Geno. So was Pat Summit. Who cares if they’re male or female?
 
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/notr...l-coach-explains-why-she-will-stop-hiring-men
"People hire people who look like them. That's the problem." So I won't hire men because they don't look like me. Uh?


someone who looked like them, discriminated against or was mean to someone who looked like me, therefore i'm justified, possibly even duty bound, in discriminating against or being mean to anyone and everyone who looks like them, regardless of the fact that they possibly/probably never discriminated against or were mean to anybody, just because they looked like me.

the story of our world.

glad to see she's so emotionally invested in carrying on the tradition.
 
She looks like the butch of a relationship so it wouldn’t be too hard to find a man that looks like her. She talks about how women need their opportunity, they already have an nfl referee that’s more than enough. Let’s be honest, nobody cares about women’s basketball except for maybe 4 schools. What was the last WNBA game you went to? I get she wants equal opportunity but, you aren’t going to find many men that will run through a wall for a female coach.
 
She looks like the butch of a relationship so it wouldn’t be too hard to find a man that looks like her. She talks about how women need their opportunity, they already have an nfl referee that’s more than enough. Let’s be honest, nobody cares about women’s basketball except for maybe 4 schools. What was the last WNBA game you went to? I get she wants equal opportunity but, you aren’t going to find many men that will run through a wall for a female coach.

Spoken like a true hillbilly. OMG, the NFL has a single female ref! Gender equality is here!
 
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Let’s be honest. This thread is indicative of the outage culture that plagues our country. McGraw makes a statement pointing out the lack of opportunity for female coaches in the men’s game relative to the amount of opportunity for male coaches in the women’s game. The reactionaries ignore this and flip the narrative to one of reverse gender discrimination which is ludicrous when you actually look at the number of male coaches in women’s college basketball. I don’t fully agree with McGraw here but I certainly understand. The fact is the number of male assistant coaches she has hired is greater than the number of female assistants hired in the history of NCAA men’s basketball
 
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Let’s be honest. This thread is indicative of the outage culture that plagues our country. McGraw makes a statement pointing out the lack of opportunity for female coaches in the men’s game relative to the amount of opportunity for male coaches in the women’s game. The reactionaries ignore this and flip the narrative to one of reverse gender discrimination which is ludicrous when you actually look at the number of male coaches in women’s college basketball. I don’t fully agree with McGraw here but I certainly understand. The fact is the number of male assistant coaches she has hired is greater than the number of female assistants hired in the history of NCAA men’s basketball
Let's see... she makes a sexist comment about never hiring men because she accuses men of "hiring people that look like them... so I'll hire people that look like me." Your failed attempt at faking concern about "outrage culture" while being a part of your "outrage culture" is laughable. Take your fake outrage to the water cooler so you can fake your outrage with fakes who think like you do. By the way... your Irish just lost to a team that has people on their coaching staff who does not look like their coach... which probably irritates the life of your coach who "will never hire someone who does not look like me." Go figure!
 
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Let's imagine how long it would take for any Div 1 men's coach to be shamed, threatened, and shown the door if they came out and said "I will never hire someone who does not look like me." Faster than snowflakes come running to Uncle Joe's rescue. Guaranteed!

You need to relax and stop letting women’s college basketball coaches get you so fired up.
 
Let's see... she makes a sexist comment about never hiring men because she accuses men of "hiring people that look like them... so I'll hire people that look like me." Your failed attempt at faking concern about "outrage culture" while being a part of your "outrage culture" is laughable. Take your fake outrage to the water cooler so you can fake your outrage with fakes who think like you do. By the way... your Irish just lost to a team that has people on their coaching staff who does not look like their coach... which probably irritates the life of your coach who "will never hire someone who does not look like me." Go figure!

I’m not an Irish fan and I’m not outraged. You on the other hand...

Let's imagine how long it would take for any Div 1 men's coach to be shamed, threatened, and shown the door if they came out and said "I will never hire someone who does not look like me." Faster than snowflakes come running to Uncle Joe's rescue. Guaranteed!

Yet none of them are hiring female coaches. Are you as upset about this as you are Muffet McGraw’s comments?
 
If Bob Knight or Archie had said what Muffet said, the media would be in an uproar. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. You hire the best candidate, man or woman, it does not matter.
 
She looks like the butch of a relationship so it wouldn’t be too hard to find a man that looks like her. She talks about how women need their opportunity, they already have an nfl referee that’s more than enough. Let’s be honest, nobody cares about women’s basketball except for maybe 4 schools. What was the last WNBA game you went to? I get she wants equal opportunity but, you aren’t going to find many men that will run through a wall for a female coach.
Wow. I’m embarrassed for you.
 
If Bob Knight or Archie had said what Muffet said, the media would be in an uproar. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. You hire the best candidate, man or woman, it does not matter.

Neither of them ever had a female assistant. Does that offend you? There are no female assistants in major men’s college basketball. Are you as upset about that as you are about McGraw’s comments? It seems silly to me to get upset by the words of one women’s basketball coach while ignoring that every men’s basketball coach at a major division one program is doing the exact same thing
 
Neither of them ever had a female assistant. Does that offend you? There are no female assistants in major men’s college basketball. Are you as upset about that as you are about McGraw’s comments? It seems silly to me to get upset by the words of one women’s basketball coach while ignoring that every men’s basketball coach at a major division one program is doing the exact same thing
They never made a discriminatory hiring comment like Muffet. Muffet started this with a sexist comment, now she can live with her foot in her mouth.
 
They never made a discriminatory hiring comment like Muffet. Muffet started this with a sexist comment, now she can live with her foot in her mouth.

Basically you are offended by words not actions. Got it. People are missing the point. She was talking about giving opportunities to female coaches. Those coaches do not get those opportunities in the men’s game.
 
Basically you are offended by words not actions. Got it. People are missing the point. She was talking about giving opportunities to female coaches. Those coaches do not get those opportunities in the men’s game.
She said she would not anyone that doesn't look like her. That is the defintion of discrimination, and flies in the face of the entire civil rights movement. Got it Muffet, you won't hire the most qualified candidate if it is a male. Isn't the object in sports to win? And in order to win means you hire the best and most qualified staff that you can? Not make some kind of contradictory social statement and then lose.
 
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Baylor won. Looked like they had a male assistant or two on sideline. Worth one point, I guess. Loved Mulkey's comments after game. Get the feeling that success has not changed her strong basic values.
 
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She said she would not anyone that doesnt look like her. That is the defintion of discrimination, and flies in the face of the entire civil rights movement. Got it Muffet, you wont hire the most qualified candidate if it is a male. Isn't the object in sports to win? And in order to win means you hire the best and most qualified staff that you can? Not make some kind of contradictory social statement and then lose.

Maybe think about it in the context of HBCUs in the pre Civil Rights Act era when southern state schools were not integrated. HBCUs did not accept white students then, whether qualified or not, because these schools existed to educate students who would not be considered for admission at the state schools. In the same way today, female candidates are not being hired to coach men’s basketball. Whether or not anyone is explicitly saying they won’t hire them or not, the fact is they are not getting hired. McGraw is saying fine, if female candidates aren’t hired to coach the men’s game, I won’t hire men to coach the women’s game. It is perfectly fine to disagree with this stance but ignoring the real and widespread discrimination it is a response to is intellectually dishonest.
 
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/notr...l-coach-explains-why-she-will-stop-hiring-men
"People hire people who look like them. That's the problem." So I won't hire men because they don't look like me. Uh?
I've coached girls teams and my daughter has while in college and after she started teaching.

I don't know anything about coaching college women. I saw at a younger age how a female coach can be a mentor and is better at understanding what is going on with their players and what will motivate them.

I don't have a problem with a female head coach wanting female assistants. I feel that is totally up to the coach.
 
I've coached girls teams and my daughter has while in college and after she started teaching.

I don't know anything about coaching college women. I saw at a younger age how a female coach can be a mentor and is better at understanding what is going on with their players and what will motivate them.

I don't have a problem with a female head coach wanting female assistants. I feel that is totally up to the coach.
Agree. Ms. McGraw is the head coach and it is her absolute discretion to decide whom she wants as assistants. She is assuming the risk and she is the one who will be fired if she doesn't hire quality assistants who can help make her team successful. While I would argue that it's best to get the best possible people, male or female, I understand her reasoning.
 
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Agree. Ms. McGraw is the head coach and it is her absolute discretion to decide whom she wants as assistants. She is assuming the risk and she is the one who will be fired if she doesn't hire quality assistants who can help make her team successful. While I would argue that it's best to get the best possible people, male or female, I understand her reasoning.

I agree with this. But, then, I've never really been one to automatically think that discrimination is, in any and all circumstances, an evil thing.

The word carries a connotation that conjures up bad memories of such things as the Woolworth's lunch counter in Greensboro and Rosa Parks. But it actually has a much broader meaning. After all, basketball coaches (and GMs) at all levels pretty much universally discriminate against short people -- the average height of players in college and pro basketball is much taller than the average height of the general population. And so what? They've figured out that taller people tend to make better basketball players.

If Muffet wants to discriminate against male assistants (whatever her reasoning), more power to her. I think she should be able to do that.

But I would also say, as an employer myself, that hiring practices which discriminate based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. are almost always a bad idea -- questions of legality aside. Why put self-imposed limitations on your pool of available talent? And, yes, I'd say the same thing to men's head coaches.

Just anecdotally for myself, and keeping with sports, the single best golf teacher I ever had was a woman. I got way more out of her lessons than I did from any of the male teachers I've had. If I had a policy of saying that I'd only take lessons from male teachers, then I'd have never had the benefit of her teaching. And how would that serve my specific interest of being a better golfer?
 
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Agree. Ms. McGraw is the head coach and it is her absolute discretion to decide whom she wants as assistants. She is assuming the risk and she is the one who will be fired if she doesn't hire quality assistants who can help make her team successful. While I would argue that it's best to get the best possible people, male or female, I understand her reasoning.
Could a men's D1 college basketball coach make the same statement as Muffet, and not have ESPN and the National News calling for him to be fired for a blatant sexually discriminatory statement? I think the answer is no. So why the double standard? Muffet can say what she wants because she is a woman?
 
I've coached girls teams and my daughter has while in college and after she started teaching.

I don't know anything about coaching college women. I saw at a younger age how a female coach can be a mentor and is better at understanding what is going on with their players and what will motivate them.

I don't have a problem with a female head coach wanting female assistants. I feel that is totally up to the coach.
The issue is not with hiring a women's coach it is with Muffet's starement saying she will not hire anyone who doesnt look like her? What if a NFL owner had said this?
 
Could a men's D1 college basketball coach make the same statement as Muffet, and not have ESPN and the National News calling for him to be fired for a blatant sexually discriminatory statement? I think the answer is no. So why the double standard? Muffet can say what she wants because she is a woman?

Well, I doubt that a men's coach could get away with saying what she said. At the very least, such a thing would cause all kinds of pearl clutching.

But, then, that wouldn't be the first double-standard at play here, right? I mean, Muffet is certainly correct that there are many men in coaching jobs in NCAA women's basketball and virtually no women in coaching jobs in NCAA men's basketball (where there is much bigger money, of course).
 
Maybe think about it in the context of HBCUs in the pre Civil Rights Act era when southern state schools were not integrated. HBCUs did not accept white students then, whether qualified or not, because these schools existed to educate students who would not be considered for admission at the state schools. In the same way today, female candidates are not being hired to coach men’s basketball. Whether or not anyone is explicitly saying they won’t hire them or not, the fact is they are not getting hired. McGraw is saying fine, if female candidates aren’t hired to coach the men’s game, I won’t hire men to coach the women’s game. It is perfectly fine to disagree with this stance but ignoring the real and widespread discrimination it is a response to is intellectually dishonest.
This is 2019, not 1954. Discrimination by statements like Muffet's is 1954. She is taking a major step backward, she claims to be fighting against discrimation against women and then openly says she will blatantly discriminare against men. I don't see how Muffet's statement is not buried in 1950's and before, pre civil rights era. She wants to promote hiring women, but then she openly says she will discriminate against men. Two wrongs don't make a right. My daughter would play for anyone but Muffet.
 
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The issue is not with hiring a women's coach it is with Muffet's starement saying she will not hire anyone who doesnt look like her? What if a NFL owner had said this?

I don't entirely agree with McGraw on all this. But surely you get her point, right? I didn't take her point as that she would refuse to ever hire any male assistants -- that's just a rhetorical device here (even if she follows through with it). I think her point was a "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander" thing.

Now, if she gets around to saying that women's basketball coaches should be paid equal (or closer) to men's, then she's going to run into a problem -- no different if she said that Men's track & field coaches should be paid as much as Men's basketball coaches. The disparity in pay there has nothing to do with gender, it has to do with the underlying value of the product.
 
Well, I doubt that a men's coach could get away with saying what she said. At the very least, such a thing would cause all kinds of pearl clutching.

But, then, that wouldn't be the first double-standard at play here, right? I mean, Muffet is certainly correct that there are many men in coaching jobs in NCAA women's basketball and virtually no women in coaching jobs in NCAA men's basketball (where there is much bigger money, of course).
I have never heard a men's head coach make a statement saying he would never hire anyone who doesnt look like him, blatantly saying he would never hire a woman! Because if he did, he would be crucified by the media, social media, and public outcry, and likely lose his job and effectively end his coaching career.
 
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