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One of many ways in which our politics are asymmetric

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Elizabeth Warren is currently taking heat because she hasn't explained exactly how she'll pay for M4A. It's anomalous that the wonkiest candidate anyone has ever seen is being called out for insufficient wonkery, but I'm struck by how asymmetric this is. We aren't so focused on the details of other Democrats' proposals, and more obviously no one seems to care if Republicans even pretend to have a plan for anything.

Every Democratic candidate is stuck in between two unsavory positions on healthcare: either open yourself to unfair GOP attacks by proposing the same sort of system that gives people better care at lower cost in nearly every developed country in the world, or avoid those attacks but promote a half-measures plan that doesn’t actually solve the cost problem.

But whether one takes the cautious and ineffectual Biden approach, the cagey Warren approach, or the open yet politically risky Sanders approach, everything is predicated on the notion that a candidate’s healthcare plan must be paid for.

Meanwhile, Trump and the GOP have blown open a nearly $1 trillion dollar deficit hole, a 26% increase from 2018 despite benefiting from an economy that is running at full tilt by traditional metrics. They’ve done this mostly through a combination of giant tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, as well as through huge increases to the military budget and handouts to make up for Trump’s self-inflicted trade war.

None of this Republican spending was paid for, any more than the Reagan tax cuts were, or the Bush tax cuts, or the invasion of Iraq, or any of the other federal largesse Republicans have doled out over the decades to wealthy corporations, shareholders, military contractors, fossil fuel interests and industries disproportionately benefiting their rural/exurban white male base.

Not only was none of it paid for, there was barely any debate over paying for it, either in the halls of Congress or on the campaign trail. The Republican debates in 2016 featured nary a word about how to pay for their tax cut and spending proposals. Despite the power of the supposed Tea Party, none of the GOP candidates were forced back to the policy table to add pay-fors to their plans.

It seems that only Democrats actually have to figure out how to pay for budget priorities. Money spent on warfare abroad and obscenely wealthy interests at home requires no sacrifice or justification, but every cent spent on the basic dignity and welfare of the majority of the citizenry must be balanced and accounted for. No political system can function fairly when only one side is forced to pay for its priorities. Yet the notion that Democrats alone must shoulder this burden is such a deeply ingrained conventional wisdom in America that when newer progressives like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently began to challenge it, it came as a shock to the entire discourse.

Moreover, the other reality of the healthcare debate is that none of the candidates’ plans are likely to come to fruition in anything resembling their proposed form. Much as the Affordable Care Act languished in the inept hands of Max Baucus and was throttled by Joe Lieberman’s petty revanchism, so too will any plan proposed by Biden, Warren or Sanders be subject to the approval of the most moderate Democrats in the Senate. And even that assumes first that the Democratic Party retakes the Senate at all in 2020, which is no guarantee, and second that the party figures out some way around the filibuster, either through eliminating it entirely or bypassing it through reconciliation. Absent either of those, any healthcare plan will require at least seven Republican Senators under even the most optimistic 2020 election projections for the left.

And yet, an enormous amount of the media debate in the 2020 election will focus on how the Democratic nominee intends to pay for priorities like healthcare and climate change mitigation. Even as the Republicans blow ever-bigger holes in the national budget without the slightest concern for how they will be paid for.

Just as the press focused relentlessly on Hillary Clinton’s emails in 2016 while ignoring the gaping maw of Trump’s national security risks, so too will the question of how budget priorities will be paid for dominate the election coverage even as Republicans have no obligation to meet the same level of scrutiny.
Only one political party in this country is burdened with the expectation of responsibility. This is why we can't have nice things.

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Elizabeth Warren is currently taking heat because she hasn't explained exactly how she'll pay for M4A. It's anomalous that the wonkiest candidate anyone has ever seen is being called out for insufficient wonkery, but I'm struck by how asymmetric this is. We aren't so focused on the details of other Democrats' proposals, and more obviously no one seems to care if Republicans even pretend to have a plan for anything.

Every Democratic candidate is stuck in between two unsavory positions on healthcare: either open yourself to unfair GOP attacks by proposing the same sort of system that gives people better care at lower cost in nearly every developed country in the world, or avoid those attacks but promote a half-measures plan that doesn’t actually solve the cost problem.

But whether one takes the cautious and ineffectual Biden approach, the cagey Warren approach, or the open yet politically risky Sanders approach, everything is predicated on the notion that a candidate’s healthcare plan must be paid for.

Meanwhile, Trump and the GOP have blown open a nearly $1 trillion dollar deficit hole, a 26% increase from 2018 despite benefiting from an economy that is running at full tilt by traditional metrics. They’ve done this mostly through a combination of giant tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, as well as through huge increases to the military budget and handouts to make up for Trump’s self-inflicted trade war.

None of this Republican spending was paid for, any more than the Reagan tax cuts were, or the Bush tax cuts, or the invasion of Iraq, or any of the other federal largesse Republicans have doled out over the decades to wealthy corporations, shareholders, military contractors, fossil fuel interests and industries disproportionately benefiting their rural/exurban white male base.

Not only was none of it paid for, there was barely any debate over paying for it, either in the halls of Congress or on the campaign trail. The Republican debates in 2016 featured nary a word about how to pay for their tax cut and spending proposals. Despite the power of the supposed Tea Party, none of the GOP candidates were forced back to the policy table to add pay-fors to their plans.

It seems that only Democrats actually have to figure out how to pay for budget priorities. Money spent on warfare abroad and obscenely wealthy interests at home requires no sacrifice or justification, but every cent spent on the basic dignity and welfare of the majority of the citizenry must be balanced and accounted for. No political system can function fairly when only one side is forced to pay for its priorities. Yet the notion that Democrats alone must shoulder this burden is such a deeply ingrained conventional wisdom in America that when newer progressives like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently began to challenge it, it came as a shock to the entire discourse.

Moreover, the other reality of the healthcare debate is that none of the candidates’ plans are likely to come to fruition in anything resembling their proposed form. Much as the Affordable Care Act languished in the inept hands of Max Baucus and was throttled by Joe Lieberman’s petty revanchism, so too will any plan proposed by Biden, Warren or Sanders be subject to the approval of the most moderate Democrats in the Senate. And even that assumes first that the Democratic Party retakes the Senate at all in 2020, which is no guarantee, and second that the party figures out some way around the filibuster, either through eliminating it entirely or bypassing it through reconciliation. Absent either of those, any healthcare plan will require at least seven Republican Senators under even the most optimistic 2020 election projections for the left.

And yet, an enormous amount of the media debate in the 2020 election will focus on how the Democratic nominee intends to pay for priorities like healthcare and climate change mitigation. Even as the Republicans blow ever-bigger holes in the national budget without the slightest concern for how they will be paid for.

Just as the press focused relentlessly on Hillary Clinton’s emails in 2016 while ignoring the gaping maw of Trump’s national security risks, so too will the question of how budget priorities will be paid for dominate the election coverage even as Republicans have no obligation to meet the same level of scrutiny.
Only one political party in this country is burdened with the expectation of responsibility. This is why we can't have nice things.

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Good post. For those who support Trump because of his policies, they have to admit that there is currently no GOP legislative agenda. The Senate is absolutely doing nothing on the legislative front. All the while, the WH touts the drop in the price for ACA plans while having spent 3 years trying to destroy the program.
 
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It is so strange how the Republicans get no heat for having absolutely no health care plan, no discussion of a plan, nothing but "repeal ACA". That is it. Yet everyone believes the system has been broken for a long time.
 
Rock obviously knows nothing about supply side economics.

Oh, and what about Kansas, huh, huh?
 
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Elizabeth Warren is currently taking heat because she hasn't explained exactly how she'll pay for M4A. It's anomalous that the wonkiest candidate anyone has ever seen is being called out for insufficient wonkery, but I'm struck by how asymmetric this is. We aren't so focused on the details of other Democrats' proposals, and more obviously no one seems to care if Republicans even pretend to have a plan for anything.

Every Democratic candidate is stuck in between two unsavory positions on healthcare: either open yourself to unfair GOP attacks by proposing the same sort of system that gives people better care at lower cost in nearly every developed country in the world, or avoid those attacks but promote a half-measures plan that doesn’t actually solve the cost problem.

But whether one takes the cautious and ineffectual Biden approach, the cagey Warren approach, or the open yet politically risky Sanders approach, everything is predicated on the notion that a candidate’s healthcare plan must be paid for.

Meanwhile, Trump and the GOP have blown open a nearly $1 trillion dollar deficit hole, a 26% increase from 2018 despite benefiting from an economy that is running at full tilt by traditional metrics. They’ve done this mostly through a combination of giant tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, as well as through huge increases to the military budget and handouts to make up for Trump’s self-inflicted trade war.

None of this Republican spending was paid for, any more than the Reagan tax cuts were, or the Bush tax cuts, or the invasion of Iraq, or any of the other federal largesse Republicans have doled out over the decades to wealthy corporations, shareholders, military contractors, fossil fuel interests and industries disproportionately benefiting their rural/exurban white male base.

Not only was none of it paid for, there was barely any debate over paying for it, either in the halls of Congress or on the campaign trail. The Republican debates in 2016 featured nary a word about how to pay for their tax cut and spending proposals. Despite the power of the supposed Tea Party, none of the GOP candidates were forced back to the policy table to add pay-fors to their plans.

It seems that only Democrats actually have to figure out how to pay for budget priorities. Money spent on warfare abroad and obscenely wealthy interests at home requires no sacrifice or justification, but every cent spent on the basic dignity and welfare of the majority of the citizenry must be balanced and accounted for. No political system can function fairly when only one side is forced to pay for its priorities. Yet the notion that Democrats alone must shoulder this burden is such a deeply ingrained conventional wisdom in America that when newer progressives like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently began to challenge it, it came as a shock to the entire discourse.

Moreover, the other reality of the healthcare debate is that none of the candidates’ plans are likely to come to fruition in anything resembling their proposed form. Much as the Affordable Care Act languished in the inept hands of Max Baucus and was throttled by Joe Lieberman’s petty revanchism, so too will any plan proposed by Biden, Warren or Sanders be subject to the approval of the most moderate Democrats in the Senate. And even that assumes first that the Democratic Party retakes the Senate at all in 2020, which is no guarantee, and second that the party figures out some way around the filibuster, either through eliminating it entirely or bypassing it through reconciliation. Absent either of those, any healthcare plan will require at least seven Republican Senators under even the most optimistic 2020 election projections for the left.

And yet, an enormous amount of the media debate in the 2020 election will focus on how the Democratic nominee intends to pay for priorities like healthcare and climate change mitigation. Even as the Republicans blow ever-bigger holes in the national budget without the slightest concern for how they will be paid for.

Just as the press focused relentlessly on Hillary Clinton’s emails in 2016 while ignoring the gaping maw of Trump’s national security risks, so too will the question of how budget priorities will be paid for dominate the election coverage even as Republicans have no obligation to meet the same level of scrutiny.
Only one political party in this country is burdened with the expectation of responsibility. This is why we can't have nice things.

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We are held to a higher standard and expected to follow rules. Republicans can crash closed door meetings, refuse to hold public hearings on legislation, and the next time any republican lawmaker gives a detailed policy description on anything it will be the first.
But us democrats better behave. And we better nominate someone republicans will give their invaluable blessing for and vote for.
 
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I was going to object to the line drawn between political parties until I reread the title of the OP.
From the Koch bros. influence and money into state wide elections, to the Heritage Foundation and Federalists focus on court appointees, to Citizens United, the line can certainly be drawn elsewhere.

Here is a quick read from 2014, before the tax cuts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxana...-outrage-over-corporate-welfare/#701ddd9227dd

As politely as possible I'd like to point out we are getting a bit top heavy in that paying for corp.welfare and medical educations as well as scriptmansions results in squeezing us po' folks a bit too much.
The president said something about wanting negative interest rates, WTF?
 
It is so strange how the Republicans get no heat for having absolutely no health care plan, no discussion of a plan, nothing but "repeal ACA". That is it. Yet everyone believes the system has been broken for a long time.
Plus, I'm not aware that the Republicans are currently pushing any sweeping infrastructure proposal as was previously discussed. And, as I recall, Trump and McConnell discussed some additional tax cuts and/or changes in 2017 at the time of Trump's tax cuts, but we've heard no more about those promises.

It's no accident that Trump's big mouth says little about domestic policy and instead spews nothing but garbage about his opponents (which he knows his lemmings will like) and foreign policy (which he thinks his lemmings don't know anything about). He really doesn't care about policies that would improve the lives of his supporters or would improve the country as a whole.

Whatever he's trying to do, it's not that.
 
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Plus, I'm not aware that the Republicans are currently pushing any sweeping infrastructure proposal as was previously discussed. And, as I recall, Trump and McConnell discussed some additional tax cuts and/or changes in 2017 at the time of Trump's tax cuts, but we've heard no more about those promises.

It's no accident that Trump's big mouth says little about domestic policy and instead spews nothing but garbage about his opponents (which he knows his lemmings will like) and foreign policy (which he thinks his lemmings don't know anything about). He really doesn't care about policies that would improve the lives of his supporters or would improve the country as a whole.

Whatever he's trying to do, it's not that.

Yep, he rails against "do nothing Democrats" yet the Senate is passing nothing.
 
Back after the recession I suggested we cut spending and raise revenue. I still think we need both.
 
I do think the Republican decision to pass nothing until after the 2020 elections has hurt Trump. It has made him the only story. If the Senate were debating say a health care bill or infrastructure, there would be other distractions.
 
I do think the Republican decision to pass nothing until after the 2020 elections has hurt Trump. It has made him the only story. If the Senate were debating say a health care bill or infrastructure, there would be other distractions.
All the things the Senate wants to pass are hated by their own voters. .e.g., gutting healthcare, Makes good sense not to pass anything until after the election.
 
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