Official Vance /Walz debate thread

[BradStevens]

I never said he wasn't. It was because Bush trusted him.

It isn't what I think the Constitution says, you tell me where I am wrong. It IS what it says. Think about it, in the beginning the prez and vice were to be rivals. It did not make sense to give a Jefferson power to undo what Adams was doing. The 12th doesn't add any powers to the Veep

So tell me where in the Constitution a Veep gets power?

The only answer is a president lets them. It is a credit to Bush that he was willing to go along, a lot of presidents are unwilling to effectively share power.

Do you think Biden shared power or decision making with Harris?

 

[dr.jb]

For what it's worth, this is a fake account.

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for what it's worth, he may be fake

but he is right

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Do you think Biden shared power or decision making with Harris?

I don't think it is in Biden's nature to want to share power. Maybe I am wrong, hard to say.

 

[DANC]

Vance destroyed him.

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Nicole Wallace is hysterical. And not in a "haha" way.

 

[DANC]

In terms of being presidential or as someone interviewing for a CEO position, Vance gets my nod over the other three VP and CIC candidates based only on their debate performances.

However, based upon experience he may be the least qualified.

The most redeeming factor in the debate was when the debators actually agreed on some points along with being respectful to each other.

Finally, occasionally they actually spoke to the questions asked with Vance being slightly better in this regard.

It's true Vance has no experience in community organizing.....

 

[DANC]

MM66, if Trump wins, it will be interesting to see how Trump and Vance work together.

Somehow, I see a potential clash.

Not if Vance wants to be the frontrunner in 2028

 

[DANC]

Pretty much anything official will require the president's signature, not the VP's. Cheney had power because Bush really trusted him on foreign policy so would do what Cheney recommended. I don't know Harris' situation. President's always want to stress the VP is active and involved, but it isn't always true. I don't know how much power Harris really has, but one can assume whatever power she has is to carry out what Biden wants done. I don't believe for a moment she wanted mass deportation, but does anyone think if she wanted mass deportation Biden would sign off on it?

You're right, in that the VP's power lies in the relationship with The Big Guy.

 

[DANC]

They have already clashed. Trump often listens to strong forceful people, others he casts aside in juvenile fashion. I think Trump and Vance click.

Even Trump had to be impressed with Vance last night. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump puts a lot of responsibility on him.

 

[DANC]

At the turn of the century we had looming energy problems. Bush created the Energy Task Force and put Cheney in charge. Cheney greased the skids for fracking and we have become energy dominant. I really don’t care what you think the constitution says, Dick Cheney was one of the most impactful people in government in this century.

Impactful, but not always in a positive way

 

[BradStevens]

Even Trump had to be impressed with Vance last night. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump puts a lot of responsibility on him.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to take the credit for his doing well.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Even Trump had to be impressed with Vance last night. Wouldn't surprise me if Trump puts a lot of responsibility on him.

That's always been the plan. Vance, Tulsi, RFK, Vivek, etc will be very busy. They weren't prepared in the first administration and he couldn't trust anyone. That won't happen this time. Deep state is terrified.

 

[DANC]

Do you think Biden shared power or decision making with Harris?

Biden clearly turned the border issue over to Harris, and made a big deal out of it at the time.

I think most Presidents do that - give a job or jobs to VPs they don't have time for or interest in.

State funerals, schmoozing foreign dignitaries, raising money for the Party, being at attack dog when necessary - all officially unofficial jobs most VPs do.

 

[DANC]

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to take the credit for his doing well.

Well, duh! lol

 

[DANC]

That's always been the plan. Vance, Tulsi, RFK, Vivek, etc will be very busy. They weren't prepared in the first administration and he couldn't trust anyone. That won't happen this time. Deep state is terrified.

Good point. He's going to have to show me before I believe it, but it looks like that's the plan.

Trump as CEO and the others as Senior VPs.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

That's always been the plan. Vance, Tulsi, RFK, Vivek, etc will be very busy. They weren't prepared in the first administration and he couldn't trust anyone. That won't happen this time. Deep state is terrified.

Got a lot of bench warmers hoping to get in the game. They aren’t talented but they’re eager.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Got a lot of bench warmers hoping to get in the game. They aren’t talented but they’re eager.

As opposed to the clowns you're voting for? Vance, Vivek, Tulsi, and RFK aren't smarter and more talented than Harris? Lol.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

As opposed to the clowns you're voting for? Vance, Vivek, Tulsi, and RFK aren't smarter and more talented than Harris? Lol.

Vivek is an isolationist nut, RFKjr is a conspiracy theorist and loon, Tulsi is pretty good looking, but a fake. She pretended to be a Democrat because Republicans can’t win elections in Hawaii. Vance is smart, but lacks integrity.

The broader point is the bench is thin for a Trump cabinet and staff. The good ones served in his first administration and don’t support him for another. You’re down to the fourth string talent.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Vivek is an isolationist nut, RFKjr is a conspiracy theorist and loon, Tulsi is pretty good looking, but a fake. She pretended to be a Democrat because Republicans can’t win elections in Hawaii. Vance is smart, but lacks integrity.

The broader point is the bench is thin for a Trump cabinet and staff. The good ones served in his first administration and don’t support him for another. You’re down to the fourth string talent.

You're really upset that Pompeo, Barr, and Pence won't be around in the second administration. You can't sabotage him this time.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You're really upset that Pompeo, Barr, and Pence won't be around in the second administration. You can't sabotage him this time.

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You link some real nuts.

You aren’t aware that Pompeo is still a Trumpster?

 

[Lucy01]

You link some real nuts.

You aren’t aware that Pompeo is still a Trumpster?

But those Nuts are shaved 🤪