This is probably my favorite thing to come out of the debates... look at the time stamp.
Official Vance /Walz debate thread
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We’re clueless!!!! They should only present Vance in suits behind a podium doing press on policy. Don’t let him go out in public. Football games. Donut shops. No. Only formal. And that’s fine. Smart on issues and able to communicate them is what’s most important
In terms of being presidential or as someone interviewing for a CEO position, Vance gets my nod over the other three VP and CIC candidates based only on their debate performances.
However, based upon experience he may be the least qualified.
The most redeeming factor in the debate was when the debators actually agreed on some points along with being respectful to each other.
Finally, occasionally they actually spoke to the questions asked with Vance being slightly better in this regard.
He can communicate like Clinton Obama etc. none of the other 3 can. I suspect he has a better grasp of policy and is simply smarter than the other three too. His lack of experience isn’t far off from where Obama was to be fair.
I’m guessing he’d do well. He again is just a very odd guy. Hard to explain
He's the ultimate insurance. Probably more anti war and anti deep state than Trump. And if something happened to Trump they'd get RFK as VP. Trump is likely now safe. Perfect pick.
MM66, if Trump wins, it will be interesting to see how Trump and Vance work together.
Somehow, I see a potential clash.
Vance clearly won the debate. Harris won the other debate not on substance but because she got under Trump's skin. Vance answered most of the questions directly with precise bullet points particularly on immigration, economy, abortion. He presented himself in a likable manner to people who didn't know much about him which was a huge win. Walz was fidgety and nervous. His answer on the Tiananmen square question was particularly embarrassing. Vance fact checking the moderators when the rules said there were be no fact checking was excellent.
Historically the VP debate doesn't carry much weight but you've got to be thinking as the next man up Vance would be the only choice.
Historically the VP debate doesn't carry much weight but you've got to be thinking as the next man up Vance would be the only choice.
Constitutionally empowered or not, the VP is empowered by the POTUS whatever duties directly tasked with and agreed to.
Remarks by President Biden and Vice President Harris in a Meeting on Immigration | The White House
State Dining Room 2:14 P.M. EDTTHE PRESIDENT: Well folks, today I have two announcements to make. One, is we’ve got ourselves a Secretary. Xavier,www.whitehouse.gov
The VP may be mostly a ceremonial position, but she was green lit and agreed to the above responsibilities...and by any and all measures failed at it...unceremoniously.
Pretty much anything official will require the president's signature, not the VP's. Cheney had power because Bush really trusted him on foreign policy so would do what Cheney recommended. I don't know Harris' situation. President's always want to stress the VP is active and involved, but it isn't always true. I don't know how much power Harris really has, but one can assume whatever power she has is to carry out what Biden wants done. I don't believe for a moment she wanted mass deportation, but does anyone think if she wanted mass deportation Biden would sign off on it?
If you don't, this is a pretty even handed summary:
Vance Won the Debate. Walz Got Something That Might Be Better.
There’s a defining takeaway for the Harris campaign to use.
Harris and Vance are in a difficult situation.
My guess is both don't agree with either Trump or Biden on everything but must go on record as supporting them.
If you don't, this is a pretty even handed summary:
Vance Won the Debate. Walz Got Something That Might Be Better.
There’s a defining takeaway for the Harris campaign to use.slate.com
Lol....that's 'fair and balanced'.......to a Leftist.
I'd be a little nervous about nervous Tim getting that 3:00 am call Hillary used to talk about, were he ever in that position. OTOH, he'd be an upgrade from Kamala, no doubt.
That was the most revealing thing to me. If you strip away MAGA and Trump what you heard Vance espouse on that stage for the most part was the same compassionate conservatism we heard from Bush, McCain, Romney, etc.
As a rock-ribbed Conservative, I would have liked to hear Vance challenge the premise a little more often on issues like childcare, climate change, abortion, etc. I understand this is a ploy to win votes and not a CPAC conference, but at some point, Conservatives are going to have to stop arguing those issues on Democrat's terms.
If Vance failed at anything last night, it was his inability to paint Harris/ Walz as progressive radicals. Both parties came off as pretty politically reasonable.
As good as Vance was last night, we dont have much to go on when considering his executive skills. The guy is very smart and articulate, that’s a good start.
Biased, no doubt. The Republican party has never had the balls to limit the # of debates and insist that at least of them has to be moderated by FOX or someone not in the MSM. They just do not do hardball politicking, unfortunately. The # of 'gotha' questions to Vance was about 5/1. The only one Walz got he screwed up.
They have already clashed. Trump often listens to strong forceful people, others he casts aside in juvenile fashion. I think Trump and Vance click.
I'd say 'a little odd' is fair and goes to Goat's assertion that he's 'not quite human'. I would counter by saying that Kamala is 'very odd', and that Walz is not quite an adult.
I want a fact check on Walz' statement that his 17 year old witnessed a school shooting. Not saying it didn't happen, but I'd like to see the original reporting.
Here's the thing.......when someone asks a question about what are you going to do to help parents with child care costs, what can you really say other than "give them money"? We all know that the more $$ the govt contributes to 'buyers' in any sector in the economy, the more prices go up. Education, health care et al. The same will be true if Kamala gets her $25000 and $6000 credits for RE and child care. But that's an academic argument that would not play well on TV.
At the turn of the century we had looming energy problems. Bush created the Energy Task Force and put Cheney in charge. Cheney greased the skids for fracking and we have become energy dominant. I really don’t care what you think the constitution says, Dick Cheney was one of the most impactful people in government in this century.
As good as Vance was last night, Haley would have been better. If she were the VP candidate, this election would be a landslide run-a-way.
She would have been strategically for votes for sure but from an intelligence standpoint she’s not remotely close to Vance. She’s closer to Harris walz. I don’t see the appeal in her. SC should do way better than it has - in spite of Clyburn
She rocked the house at the UN. Had she been around when the third world idiots walked out or boycotted Netanyahu, she would have forced the world to notice. Hell, nobody even knows who the UN ambassador is these days.
This doesn’t help throwing sh!t at each other in the same party. The two guys you me mentioned are voting for Trump.
And whose fault would that be? We are mostly in the same team, don’t make me say it.
