New moderate 3rd party

[Marvin the Martian]

Whitman and Yang (and others) form a moderate party called Forward. Yang has the money to get it attention, and I wish them well. I might even volunteer to help.

But I suspect the polls wanting a third party are wrong, many people want the other party to moderate and not their party.

Group of Republicans and Democrats form new political party to appeal to moderates

A group of former Republican and Democratic officials are forming a new political party called Forward, in an attempt to appeal to what they call the "moderate, common-sense majority."

www.cnn.com

 

[Indyhorn]

Whitman and Yang (and others) form a moderate party called Forward. Yang has the money to get it attention, and I wish them well. I might even volunteer to help.

But I suspect the polls wanting a third party are wrong, many people want the other party to moderate and not their party.

Group of Republicans and Democrats form new political party to appeal to moderates

A group of former Republican and Democratic officials are forming a new political party called Forward, in an attempt to appeal to what they call the "moderate, common-sense majority."

www.cnn.com

If they can balance a federal budget they’ve surely got my vote- I’m pretty much a single issue voter now presuming Trump can’t steal the election and end democratic rule in 2024

 

[Sope Creek]

If they can balance a federal budget they’ve surely got my vote- I’m pretty much a single issue voter now presuming Trump can’t steal the election and end democratic rule in 2024

Sooo . . . you're hedging your bet on Trump winning in 2024, is that what I'm reading between the lines here?

 

[TMFT]

The only, and I mean absolute ONLY, thing a 3rd party can do is throw the election to one of the major parties until one of the parties co-opts its platform enough to win or it co-opts one of the major parties and because one of the big 2. Whigs & Free Soilers became Republicans. Dixiecrats became Republicans. Progressives became Democrats. Socialists became New Deal Democrats.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

The only, and I mean absolute ONLY, thing a 3rd party can do is throw the election to one of the major parties until one of the parties co-opts its platform enough to win or it co-opts one of the major parties and because one of the big 2. Whigs & Free Soilers became Republicans. Dixiecrats became Republicans. Progressives became Democrats. Socialists became New Deal Democrats.

That's not nothing.

 

[VanPastorMan]

The only, and I mean absolute ONLY, thing a 3rd party can do is throw the election to one of the major parties until one of the parties co-opts its platform enough to win or it co-opts one of the major parties and because one of the big 2. Whigs & Free Soilers became Republicans. Dixiecrats became Republicans. Progressives became Democrats. Socialists became New Deal Democrats.

I agree. Bill Clinton would not have been President if it had not been for Ross Perot pulling votes away from Bush. I've got problems with some Republicans but I don't want to go third party. What I want is for those who share my views to take over the Republican Party because there is no way the Democrats would ever be in line with my views. If I was voting in 60 I could have voted for Kennedy by today's standards. The Democrat Party decided to go way left. That doesn't fit where I am at.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Whitman and Yang (and others) form a moderate party called Forward. Yang has the money to get it attention, and I wish them well. I might even volunteer to help.

But I suspect the polls wanting a third party are wrong, many people want the other party to moderate and not their party.

Group of Republicans and Democrats form new political party to appeal to moderates

A group of former Republican and Democratic officials are forming a new political party called Forward, in an attempt to appeal to what they call the "moderate, common-sense majority."

www.cnn.com

Good luck to them, but national third parties simply aren't tenable under our electoral system. Regional parties might have some success when there is an issue important to a region that overshadows the normal left-right divides, but they are unlikely to last long-term, since those issues are likely to lose immediacy over time.

 

[bawlmer]

Good luck to them, but national third parties simply aren't tenable under our electoral system. Regional parties might have some success when there is an issue important to a region that overshadows the normal left-right divides, but they are unlikely to last long-term, since those issues are likely to lose immediacy over time.

The only real opportunity for an independent is in 2024 at the Presidential level. Forget about another party, focus on a viable alternative Presidential candidate if it looks like it will be Biden vs Trump. Both are underwater in polls but may be our two candidates. That sounds like an opportunity to me. An independent President could reshape the political dialogue because both parties would need to seek coalitions.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The only, and I mean absolute ONLY, thing a 3rd party can do is throw the election to one of the major parties until one of the parties co-opts its platform enough to win or it co-opts one of the major parties and because one of the big 2. Whigs & Free Soilers became Republicans. Dixiecrats became Republicans. Progressives became Democrats. Socialists became New Deal Democrats.

Most Dixiecrats stayed Democrats and controlled the southern states as Democrats until death. Strom Thurmond was a very rare exception.

 

[TMFT]

Most Dixiecrats stayed Democrats and controlled the southern states as Democrats until death. Strom Thurmond was a very rare exception.

Not federally.

edit. By that I mean presidentially

 

[T.M.P.]

The Democrat Party decided to go way left.

*Democractic Party

and that claim is complete bullshit fed to you by right wing propaganda.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

and that claim is complete bullshit fed to you by right wing propaganda.

As a moderate independent I can assure you that you are wrong on this.

 

[TMFT]

As a moderate independent I can assure you that you are wrong on this.

Has the D platform really changed recently? The liberal wing certainly gets more news coverage, particularly in right wing media looking for the bogeyman du jour. But I haven’t seen any crazy left wing bills being pushed by leadership or even a majority of the party.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Has the D platform really changed recently? The liberal wing certainly gets more news coverage, particularly in right wing media looking for the bogeyman du jour. But I haven’t seen any crazy left wing bills being pushed by leadership or even a majority of the party.

Build Back Better? Thank Joe Manchin for not being as crazy as the rest of his party. One guy blocked everything that allows you to make anything close to the statement above now. One guy who was demonized by the majority of the Democrats for not playing ball.

 

[Bill4411]

It would be interesting to see DeSantis get the nomination for the Republican party and then have Trump decide to file as an independent candidate. Boy would that be a bloodbath.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Has the D platform really changed recently? The liberal wing certainly gets more news coverage, particularly in right wing media looking for the bogeyman du jour. But I haven’t seen any crazy left wing bills being pushed by leadership or even a majority of the party.

The platform is irrelevant. The Democrats don’t need no bills to advance the destruction of the country and culture.

Thanks to the Democrats:

The Founding fathers gone,
.The Declaration of Independence gone
The Constitution gone.
Regular order in federal government and legislation gone.
The Stars and Stripes gone.
The star spangled banner gone.
National pride gone.
Democracy gone.
Respect for judiciary gone.
Safety in urban streets gone.
Energy independence gone.
Dependable energy supply gone.
Responsible fiscal affairs gone.
Racial integration gone.
Racial harmony gone.
Quality higher education gone.
Comedy gone.
Mutual respect gone.
Women‘s sports gone.
Military readiness gone.

Any Republican who stood in the way of these changes was hated, excoriated, cancelled, or investigated.

For the Democrats, politics is no longer about disagreements and compromise it’s all about hate and political cleansing. In a few years the Democrats have gone from hating Trump to hating those who don’t hate Trump. For Democrats the national fabric is no longer woven with ideals of individualism, independence, and responsibility. Instead the Democrat demand, and unfortunately are getting, conformity, obedience and submission.

And for those of you who are tempted to respond with some flavor of “but Trump,” save it. I know who you are and what you would say. If you want to discuss the Democrats important role in any of the points above, have at it.




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[Bill4411]

The platform is irrelevant. The Democrats don’t need no bills to advance the destruction of the country and culture.

Thanks to the Democrats:

The Founding fathers gone,
.The Declaration of Independence gone
The Constitution gone.
Regular order in federal government and legislation gone.
The Stars and Stripes gone.
The star spangled banner gone.
National pride gone.
Democracy gone.
Respect for judiciary gone.
Safety in urban streets gone.
Energy independence gone.
Dependable energy supply gone.
Responsible fiscal affairs gone.
Racial integration gone.
Racial harmony gone.
Quality higher education gone.
Comedy gone.
Mutual respect gone.
Women‘s sports gone.
Military readiness gone.

Any Republican who stood in the way of these changes was hated, excoriated, cancelled, or investigated.

For the Democrats, politics is no longer about disagreements and compromise it’s all about hate and political cleansing. In a few years the Democrats have gone from hating Trump to hating those who don’t hate Trump. For Democrats the national fabric is no longer woven with ideals of individualism, independence, and responsibility. Instead the Democrat demand, and unfortunately are getting, conformity, obedience and submission.

And for those of you who are tempted to respond with some flavor of “but Trump,” save it. I know who you are and what you would say. If you want to discuss the Democrats important role in any of the points above, have at it.




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Now do the Republicans.

 

[TMFT]

The platform is irrelevant. The Democrats don’t need no bills to advance the destruction of the country and culture.

Thanks to the Democrats:

The Founding fathers gone,
.The Declaration of Independence gone
The Constitution gone.
Regular order in federal government and legislation gone.
The Stars and Stripes gone.
The star spangled banner gone.
National pride gone.
Democracy gone.
Respect for judiciary gone.
Safety in urban streets gone.
Energy independence gone.
Dependable energy supply gone.
Responsible fiscal affairs gone.
Racial integration gone.
Racial harmony gone.
Quality higher education gone.
Comedy gone.
Mutual respect gone.
Women‘s sports gone.
Military readiness gone.

Any Republican who stood in the way of these changes was hated, excoriated, cancelled, or investigated.

For the Democrats, politics is no longer about disagreements and compromise it’s all about hate and political cleansing. In a few years the Democrats have gone from hating Trump to hating those who don’t hate Trump. For Democrats the national fabric is no longer woven with ideals of individualism, independence, and responsibility. Instead the Democrat demand, and unfortunately are getting, conformity, obedience and submission.

And for those of you who are tempted to respond with some flavor of “but Trump,” save it. I know who you are and what you would say. If you want to discuss the Democrats important role in any of the points above, have at it.




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1) the platform is immensely relevant. It is the embodiment of where the party is as a whole.
2) Your list is either wrong (e.g., I’m pretty sure a lady sang the Star Spangled Banner last night at the Colts game with an American flag on the field) or filtered through an extremely partisan lens.
3) I particularly liked that Dems are responsible for the loss of racial harmony. I have no idea when you think we had racial harmony as a society.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

The platform is irrelevant. The Democrats don’t need no bills to advance the destruction of the country and culture.

Thanks to the Democrats:

The Founding fathers gone,
.The Declaration of Independence gone
The Constitution gone.
Regular order in federal government and legislation gone.
The Stars and Stripes gone.
The star spangled banner gone.
National pride gone.
Democracy gone.
Respect for judiciary gone.
Safety in urban streets gone.
Energy independence gone.
Dependable energy supply gone.
Responsible fiscal affairs gone.
Racial integration gone.
Racial harmony gone.
Quality higher education gone.
Comedy gone.
Mutual respect gone.
Women‘s sports gone.
Military readiness gone.

Any Republican who stood in the way of these changes was hated, excoriated, cancelled, or investigated.

For the Democrats, politics is no longer about disagreements and compromise it’s all about hate and political cleansing. In a few years the Democrats have gone from hating Trump to hating those who don’t hate Trump. For Democrats the national fabric is no longer woven with ideals of individualism, independence, and responsibility. Instead the Democrat demand, and unfortunately are getting, conformity, obedience and submission.

And for those of you who are tempted to respond with some flavor of “but Trump,” save it. I know who you are and what you would say. If you want to discuss the Democrats important role in any of the points above, have at it.




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You write all that and claim comedy is gone? No sir, and you are a master at it. That is pure comedy gold, when is your HBO special?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

*Democractic Party

and that claim is complete bullshit fed to you by right wing propaganda.

What IS a woman?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

What IS a woman?

Why should I care if you want to be called "she/her"?

 

[hoot1]

I agree. Bill Clinton would not have been President if it had not been for Ross Perot pulling votes away from Bush. I've got problems with some Republicans but I don't want to go third party. What I want is for those who share my views to take over the Republican Party because there is no way the Democrats would ever be in line with my views. If I was voting in 60 I could have voted for Kennedy by today's standards. The Democrat Party decided to go way left. That doesn't fit where I am at.

I felt so strongly about ending the deficit spending in 1992 that i voted for Ross Perot.

Slick Willy and Daddy Bush simply appeared to more of the same which had never cut the mustard in terms of a balancing the budget.

Much to my surprise Bush dropped his no new tax pledge and a growing economy which occurred when Clinton was in office actually balanced the budget. Later we went back to the easy-way-out of spending without sufficient taxes.

Amazingly we have run deficits ever since while avoiding problems such as inflation until recently. Appears our luck has finally run out.

 

[TMFT]

What IS a woman?

How do you mean woman?

If you mean biologically female it’s a person with the female sex organs.

If you mean the western sociological construct of “feminine” in the masculine-feminine continuum then it’s whoever identifies as such because the word has no objective meaning and is in fact a sociological construct.

 

[PhyloeBedoe]

I would like Yang and gang to create the Forward party, and run candidates in every local election right on up, but keep from running a candidate for president. We need more diversity in our parties and ideas, and its unlikely we will ever have a runoff system.

 

[hoot1]

For most of our history Congress has had members who were willing to compromise. Given this, we virtually had a third party.

Unfortunately, citizens today opt for strong party candidates who once elected are more committed to their reelection and their party than they are to making the government work.

Today any candidate running as a third party member, or as a Democrat or Republican willing to compromise is a dead duck.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Why should I care if you want to be called "she/her"?

I’ll call you a tree if you want. But do you think that is all that is happening?

There are now many places you cant work or teach if you claim a human with a penis is a male. You are deemed a bigot who is viciously and microly-aggressive toward a person who denies the biological science of maleness/femaleness.

Same with you accepting that you are a racist - especially if you refuse to acknowledge it and then help force others to admit their racism. Accepting that there are remaining effects of slavery is not enough. Agreeing to support remedial programs are not enough. You either agree loudly and help cancel others, or you will be canceled yourself.

“Social justice” now trumps legal ethics, classroom freedom, rights to free speech - it is unithought in action. if you disagree, you are labeled and hounded.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

I felt so strongly about ending the deficit spending in 1992 that i voted for Ross Perot.

Slick Willy and Daddy Bush simply appeared to more of the same which had never cut the mustard in terms of a balancing the budget.

Much to my surprise Bush dropped his no new tax pledge and a growing economy which occurred when Clinton was in office actually balanced the budget. Later we went back to the easy-way-out of spending without sufficient taxes.

Amazingly we have run deficits ever since while avoiding problems such as inflation until recently. Appears our luck has finally run out.

I would absolutely support a balanced budget Constitutional amendment - if we want X in spending, then the tax rate is Y. It will force proper debate on spending. Only exceptions - war.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Whitman and Yang (and others) form a moderate party called Forward. Yang has the money to get it attention, and I wish them well. I might even volunteer to help.

But I suspect the polls wanting a third party are wrong, many people want the other party to moderate and not their party.

Group of Republicans and Democrats form new political party to appeal to moderates

A group of former Republican and Democratic officials are forming a new political party called Forward, in an attempt to appeal to what they call the "moderate, common-sense majority."

www.cnn.com

Wasn't someone recently hammered for using “forward” because of its past use by communists? Not sure who, but I seem to recall domething.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I’ll call you a tree if you want. But do you think that is all that is happening?

There are now many places you cant work or teach if you claim a human with a penis is a male. You are deemed a bigot who is viciously and microly-aggressive toward a person who denies the biological science of maleness/femaleness.

Same with you accepting that you are a racist - especially if you refuse to acknowledge it and then help force others to admit their racism. Accepting that there are remaining effects of slavery is not enough. Agreeing to support remedial programs are not enough. You either agree loudly and help cancel others, or you will be canceled yourself.

“Social justice” now trumps legal ethics, classroom freedom, rights to free speech - it is unithought in action. if you disagree, you are labeled and hounded.

I do not doubt there are rare cases such as you mention. Can you find 10 examples in the US of people being fired for saying men have penises? I found 1, 1 also in Canada and one in UK.

So it is rare, as is trans people being physically attacked. But it happens and I suspect happens more often than being fired for saying men have penises.

So if we are going to base our government on very rare events, should it not be at least the more common very rare event?

We have become a people that looks for the biggest outrage to fuel our politics. That is true on both sides. Outrage sells and sells better than anything else.

Feel free to keep calling every democrat a communist while saying democrats call all republicans racist.

 

[hoot1]

I would absolutely support a balanced budget Constitutional amendment - if we want X in spending, then the tax rate is Y. It will force proper debate on spending. Only exceptions - war.

Do we really want balancing the budget to end up in the courts as happens with the states required to do so as per its constitution ?

This in my view is a poor substitute for having a legislative body willing to make the tough choices required to balance a budget.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Do we really want balancing the budget to end up in the courts as happens with the states required to do so as per its constitution ?

This in my view is a poor substitute for having a legislative body willing to make the tough choices required to balance a budget.

Our vote whores have not and never will make tough choices unless required by law.

 

[TMFT]

Do we really want balancing the budget to end up in the courts as happens with the states required to do so as per its constitution ?

This in my view is a poor substitute for having a legislative body willing to make the tough choices required to balance a budget.

A balanced budget amendment is a bad idea.

there is nothing inherently wrong with the federal government running a debt. It’s just gotten out of hand.

Keynesian economics works, but we need adults who won’t over spend in the good times and/or will never raise tax revenue to cover the deficit spending incurred during bad times.

The economic history of the US prior to the modern monetary and fiscal systems were of boom and bust cycles that were absolutely deviating to the population as a whole every 20-25 years or so.

 

[hoot1]

Our vote whores have not and never will make tough choices unless required by law.

MTIOTF, you are probably right, but....

Many economists suggest the federal government's ideal approach is to run deficits during sluggish economic periods and surpluses during good times.

Some argue this flexibility is especially needed due to many states being required to balance their budgets.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

A balanced budget amendment is a bad idea.

there is nothing inherently wrong with the federal government running a debt. It’s just gotten out of hand.

Keynesian economics works, but we need adults who won’t over spend in the good times and/or will never raise tax revenue to cover the deficit spending incurred during bad times.

The economic history of the US prior to the modern monetary and fiscal systems were of boom and bust cycles that were absolutely deviating to the population as a whole every 20-25 years or so.

I agree, our failure has been in not using the good times to offset the bad. When unemployment is 3%, there should be a whole lot less spending compared to 10%. And a whole lot more revenue. Somewhere we have screwed all that up.

But if we were to say the next budget MUST be balanced, we will face a major depression. Social Security and Medicare/medicaid slashed, government/military pensions slashed, FDIC notes to help insure banks would be worthless, and taxes raised.

I have no problem capping total spending for a number of years (say 5). Let the economy grow into our spending.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Wasn't someone recently hammered for using “forward” because of its past use by communists? Not sure who, but I seem to recall domething.

Maybe, I have slept since then.

Yesterday I saw an article about the PA governor candidate once wearing a Confederate uniform. I have been as vocal as anyone that we should not use government funds on rebel statues. But I don't give a damn if he wore a uniform. I have met a ton of reenactors, wearing that uniform today means very little barring other information. Such as wearing it at the Charlottesville rally.

Heck, I have pictures of me in both blue and grey uniforms from a store in Estes Park that takes old time photos.

Just pointing out I don't have to agree or accept every outrage.

 

[TMFT]

I agree, our failure has been in not using the good times to offset the bad. When unemployment is 3%, there should be a whole lot less spending compared to 10%. And a whole lot more revenue. Somewhere we have screwed all that up.

But if we were to say the next budget MUST be balanced, we will face a major depression. Social Security and Medicare/medicaid slashed, government/military pensions slashed, FDIC notes to help insure banks would be worthless, and taxes raised.

I have no problem capping total spending for a number of years (say 5). Let the economy grow into our spending.

Can’t we just cut taxes to like 1%? Surely the growth will more than make up the difference. Right? Right?!?!??

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Maybe, I have slept since then.

Yesterday I saw an article about the PA governor candidate once wearing a Confederate uniform. I have been as vocal as anyone that we should not use government funds on rebel statues. But I don't give a damn if he wore a uniform. I have met a ton of reenactors, wearing that uniform today means very little barring other information. Such as wearing it at the Charlottesville rally.

Heck, I have pictures of me in both blue and grey uniforms from a store in Estes Park that takes old time photos.

Just pointing out I don't have to agree or accept every outrage.

Can't wait for your opponents to unearth these photos when you run for moderator. You just sunk yourself, Marv.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Can't wait for your opponents to unearth these photos when you run for moderator. You just sunk yourself, Marv.

Yep, lost my chance.

But my favorite comedian is Groucho, and like him I wouldn't moderate any group that let me be moderator.

 

[UncleMark]

Can't wait for your opponents to unearth these photos when you run for moderator. You just sunk yourself, Marv.

Run for moderator? Hell, lets just have McM tell DeSantis to appoint him.

 

[T.M.P.]

The platform is irrelevant. The Democrats don’t need no bills to advance the destruction of the country and culture.

Thanks to the Democrats:

The Founding fathers gone,
.The Declaration of Independence gone
The Constitution gone.
Regular order in federal government and legislation gone.
The Stars and Stripes gone.
The star spangled banner gone.
National pride gone.
Democracy gone.
Respect for judiciary gone.
Safety in urban streets gone.
Energy independence gone.
Dependable energy supply gone.
Responsible fiscal affairs gone.
Racial integration gone.
Racial harmony gone.
Quality higher education gone.
Comedy gone.
Mutual respect gone.
Women‘s sports gone.
Military readiness gone.

Any Republican who stood in the way of these changes was hated, excoriated, cancelled, or investigated.

For the Democrats, politics is no longer about disagreements and compromise it’s all about hate and political cleansing. In a few years the Democrats have gone from hating Trump to hating those who don’t hate Trump. For Democrats the national fabric is no longer woven with ideals of individualism, independence, and responsibility. Instead the Democrat demand, and unfortunately are getting, conformity, obedience and submission.

And for those of you who are tempted to respond with some flavor of “but Trump,” save it. I know who you are and what you would say. If you want to discuss the Democrats important role in any of the points above, have at it.




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The Founding Fathers are gone? Are they all dead or something?

*eyeroll*

Your list is stupid, and you should be ashamed of yourself for writing it.