These are Delta 9, 30mg. Pain isn't an issue for me, but only having to pee once at night is a huge improvement, and when I do it's a long, "quality" pee. The effect was there with the first dose.Get some of the Delta 8 gummies. Don't do the 500mg "pillows" just the 20-25mg chewables. Ya might want to cut one in half first then go from there. Pain will be gone.