The Democrats are going to win a lot more elections in the near future and the socialism will turn into full blown communism. MAGA is completely done with these clowns. Not voting or voting Dem. Buckle up.
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I am okay with that as long as we have a tripwire that forces us to balance the budget except in specifically defined times of need. I am not down with the blank check.
We have the large debt because everybody in DC knows that you get votes by spending and not paying and unless you are young, there is likely to be no consequence to you personally for that. Somebody is going to feel that eventually and as a parent, it is awfully shitty to keep punting that football hoping I die before the mess I helped create finally blows up.
There can be no "as long as" with the debt ceiling. You want to invent some procedures to force spending down, great. But you cannot f*ck with the debt ceiling. These are commitments we have already made. They have to be paid for. Period.
Meh.
We have a bunch of money ear marked for other things that are useless garbage in the budget. Find your money there first. Rob Peter to pay Paul.
Hard to when McConnell, Mccarthy, Rove, Ryan, and the Bushes keep sabotaging everything.
Fine. Blow up the budget. Government shutdown? Great. But do not hold the debt ceiling hostage. These are bills we already committed to. We have to pay them. Period.
All this over the Constitutional "office" of "speaker", but the Constitution says only that the "speaker" must be elected by members of the house, but does not actually require that the "speaker" must be a member of the house and does not even generally/vaguely describe the required duties of the "speaker", whatever they thought that is.Posted without comment.... will have more to say later.
Lots of comments and quotes from fellow Republicans, and some background of where he came from, and where is is today.
What Kevin McCarthy Will Do to Gain Power
The Republican leader’s ambition has always been his defining characteristic. Attempting to placate both Trumpists and moderates may lead to his downfall.www.newyorker.com
U.S. Constitution | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
The original text of the United States Constitution and its Amendments.
Sounds like a perfect job for McCarthy.
Hey, they could legally elect GOAT as speaker. Go for it, GOAT!
From the concessions I read that McCarthy has made already, things sound like we're going to have a vote of confidence as in the UK.
I know this isn't news, but McCarthy is done:
“Of course, we’re going to get to 218. We just gotta find the right person,” Roy said as he walked into Emmer’s office moments ago.
Yes, and McCarthy seems to be like the dog chasing the car who actually catches the car but then doesn't know what to do with his catch.
Imagine refusing to pay your credit card, you bought the products but after the bill came you didn't approve the debt raise.
It’s like republicans don’t understand how the debt ceiling works, or at least they know their gullible voters have no clue how it works.
This thread is why we come to the Cooler. From page 6 on, this mostly reads like a goddamn West Wing episode. Thanks to Crazy, Twenty, Goat, Marvin, Mark, Stuff, and others for allowing me to enjoy a good, healthy, intelligent debate. Sometimes we need to know when to shut up, learn a few things, and appreciate. Now, take a beer break (or pizza) and resume after the evening festivities!
So you’re all in on McCarthy now? Considering your history I expect you are.
Under your analytic criteria, blind automatic opposition to a "a 4,000+ page $1.7 trillion, bill drafted by staff, special interests, and lobbyists, unread by any members of congress" is also not "meaningful," either.
What part of blind, lock-step opposition satisfies the requirements of the scientific method?
Sigh.
It's not the fault of traditional Republicans that things turned out this way.
Trump, not the other guys, corrupted terms like "Republicans," "RINO," "Little Marco," "Horseface," and on and on and on.
When Trump's opponents react to what he says or does, it simply is not the case that the opponents (or the traditional Republicans) are the ones who misused the terms under discussion.
What's the statute of limitations if someone rapes your daughter? Kills your son? Steals your car? What should it be?
Tell me how many years it takes to forgive and forget someone doing any of those things, and we'll find a time to agree racism "expires."
Wow! Surprised. It’s the first time I’ve seen any sign that you wouldn’t lick Trump’s boots if he asked you to. If Trump knew you weren’t completely loyal to him he’d call you a RINO and excommunicate you from the Republican Party that exists primarily in his head.
Now maybe you’re close to realizing that Trump is a loser.
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Mindsets about some things never go away . Rape, Child molesters we are on same page along with racism . Stealing someones car and some othe rcrimes I can see changing but some mindsets never go away.
Death of the defendant. At some point the sins of the past become a crutch and excuse
That's a fair answer. Of course, the problem of systemic issues arises. What if your rapist leaves all his assets to his children, who then have the power to keep raping you?
Yes. My point is this whole "Let's forget about it it was so many years ago" thing falls short. It's not like you can just end racism and then everything is fine. It takes a while.
Uh, according to the US Constitution, the speaker of the house actually is elected by "strictly most votes" of current members of the house.
It'll be like a dozen or so Manchins dictating everything the Republicans try to do.
What's weird is the new people like Santos are getting to vote, but they haven't yet been sworn in. When does their membership become official?
You really, really need to get some different news sources. We are not moving toward socialism, let alone communism.
Whatever weird language they use, as of Jan 3, these guys are members of the House. It's all legal, it's just complicated because they have no rules.
So you’re proposing compromise in the same way that you criticized IUCrazy for his definition of compromise.
No way the Dems are going to help McCarthy take the gavel. In some bizarro world where there was some bi-partisan agreement, it would certainly have to be someone other than McCarthy. Fred Upton or Brian Fitzpatrick types would probably be the mold.
