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Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.


But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves, and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Polland author of “Microtrends Squared.” Follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.
 
I stopped reading after the 3rd word.


Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.


But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves, and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Polland author of “Microtrends Squared.” Follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.
 
538 covered comparisons between this probe and others. Here is the article, below is a graphic from it. Tell me again how this probe has gone on so long, taking the below information into account.

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Interesting, this probe barely scratches the surface of the time and depth of the Starr probe into Clinton. One would think Penn would know that. One would thing anyone who has paid attention would know that fact.

Apples and oranges. Starr was totally independent and operated under a terribly broad and misguided statute that congress wisely sunsetted. Mueller is a special counsel with totally different and very limited authority.
 
Bubble graphs present misleading visuals. Besides, Mueller padded his stats with those useless and probably ill-advised Russia indictments.
Just compare length of investigation and tell me how this witch hunt stands out? Heck, only compare it to the congressional investigations into the Clinton emails and let me know how much of a witch hunt Russia is?

Is foreign involvement in elections worth investigating?
 
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Just compare length of investigation and tell me how this witch hunt stands out? Heck, only compare it to the congressional investigations into the Clinton emails and let me know how much of a witch hunt Russia is?

Is foreign involvement in elections worth investigating?

Length of investigations is irrelevant.

Stonewalling, obfuscation, and failed memories have effectively eviscerated congressional oversight investigations, not to mention the hamfisted dumbass ways they are conducted these days.

I have no idea what you mean by "foreign involvement". Is it the former president of a foreign country taking a public position about our elections? Is it foreign nationals who hold dual citizenship with the US actively advocating for the home country's interests? Is it the US taking a public position, and advocating a particular interest in elections in other countries? Is it foreign business interests contributing money to PAC's? Is it a foreign entity logging on and viewing public voting data from various servers? Is it foreign entities hiring US lobbyists to throw money at members of congress who are up for re-election? All of this, and more, has gone on in the last several years. What should we investigate?
 
Length of investigations is irrelevant.

Stonewalling, obfuscation, and failed memories have effectively eviscerated congressional oversight investigations, not to mention the hamfisted dumbass ways they are conducted these days.

I have no idea what you mean by "foreign involvement". Is it the former president of a foreign country taking a public position about our elections? Is it foreign nationals who hold dual citizenship with the US actively advocating for the home country's interests? Is it the US taking a public position, and advocating a particular interest in elections in other countries? Is it foreign business interests contributing money to PAC's? Is it a foreign entity logging on and viewing public voting data from various servers? Is it foreign entities hiring US lobbyists to throw money at members of congress who are up for re-election? All of this, and more, has gone on in the last several years. What should we investigate?

Let's start with investigating campaign officials meeting with representatives of a government that was supporting attempts to hack into US election registration data and see where that takes us.
 
Let's start with investigating campaign officials meeting with representatives of a government that was supporting attempts to hack into US election registration data and see where that takes us.

Good idea. Hacking election data is a crime which should be prosecuted. But there are no hacking prosecutions pending depite the efforts of a handpicked and supposedly highly competent stable of prosecutors. There "where it takes us" part is scary and smacks of "show me the man and I'll show you the crime".
 
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Let's start with investigating campaign officials meeting with representatives of a government that was supporting attempts to hack into US election registration data and see where that takes us.
Actually, let's start with a foreign power hacking the emails of an American campaign and releasing them. Let's add in that foreign government talks to people in the US advance about doing it. Let's say they talk to "Roger Rock" and "Ronald Trump" of an opposition campaign about this and receive at least tacit approval.

I am keeping an open mind, there is no solid proof that we have heard that anything has happened to cause me to believe Trump has done anything illegal. But one has to be willfully stupid beyond belief not to see a reason to look into this issue. We know "Roger Rock" made press announcements that damaging emails were coming before they were released. We know Ronald Trump (names changed to protect the possibly innocent) took a meeting specifically to find out if a foreign government would assist in the election. Those two items, those two items ALONE, mean we have to investigate. It does not mean anything illegal happened, but how anyone looks at those two items and comes to a "nothing to see here" moment is beyond all reason.
 
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Good idea. Hacking election data is a crime which should be prosecuted. But there are no hacking prosecutions pending depite the efforts of a handpicked and supposedly highly competent stable of prosecutors. There "where it takes us" part is scary and smacks of "show me the man and I'll show you the crime".

The actions associated with the Russian government deserve investigation and response. But potential collusion of US campaign officials ought to be investigated, from what I've seen.
 
Just compare length of investigation and tell me how this witch hunt stands out? Heck, only compare it to the congressional investigations into the Clinton emails and let me know how much of a witch hunt Russia is?

Is foreign involvement in elections worth investigating?

is corporate and moneyed interests' involvement in elections worth investigating.

our govt now has a big "for sale" sign on it, which has a lot more impact on our govt than anything Russia did.

not denying Russia and every other major country tries to meddle with everyone else's elections, as do we, just saying outright buying people off will always be more efficient than anything else.

the Wall St Party has done a masterful job of making sure the fact that our govt is openly for sale, is "out of sight, out of mind" as to current political discourse.

and nice of the sock puppets here to do their part in making that so.

hey everybody, look over there. don't look over here.
 
Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.


But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves, and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Polland author of “Microtrends Squared.” Follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.

ROTFLMAO
 
FJM-style time!

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

And we're off to the races with nonsense in the very first paragraph. Something tells me the professional investigators involved in this probe aren't scared of any reckoning, because the only people planning on doing any reckoning are the addled conspiracy nuts who have been reckoning since the day Mueller was appointed.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done.

I'd like to say this is a new world speed record in But-Hillary!-ism, but sadly, I really doubt that it is.

It is hard to see how a yearlong investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

If the IG comes down hard on Comey, it's not likely to be in a way that looks good for Trump. And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the purported topic of this piece, which was supposed to be (*checks headline*) the Mueller probe.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

"Oh, and by the way, I have complete and unyielding faith in Devin Nunes." I mean, by "congressional investigators," the author clearly isn't referring to the Senate.

But it is backfiring.

No, it's not.

They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative.

No, it's not. Australia told U.S. officials about what Downer had heard, and then set up the meeting between him and the FBI.

Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

Oh my God! The Foreign Minister put his signature on an official document outlining a charitable donation made by his own government! What scandal!

You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop.

You don't need any imagination. You only need a chronic aversion to logic and facts. Or maybe some really good drugs.

This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

So, if I understand this correctly, Downer targeted Papadopoulos as part of a secret plan to help his buddy Hillary Clinton? I just want to make sure I understand exactly what is being implied here, so I know how much incredulous laughter is warranted.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign.

No, but a person acting as a liaison between the campaign and the Kremlin would probably be sufficient. Which is what Misfud actually did.

It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings,

LOL.

to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier,

LOL!

bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

LOLOLOL!!!

Time and time again, investigators came up empty.

"Trust me, I'm psychic."

Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a DeLorean-like video with cash on the table.

Well, I guess I'm sold now. We all know that no one ever does anything shady without leaving a giant smoking gun behind. Since no one has found any Trump official describing his crimes in detail in notarized triplicate, we can probably just shut this thing down now.

But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Ah, and now we have the core of the lie. This is only happening because the Deep State hates Trump personally, and therefore none of the other things they might dig up matter. Manafort might die in a federal prison, but that doesn't mean anything, because this is all about Trump. Here's a thought. Perhaps the only reason Trumpistas imagine this is all a witch hunt directed solely at Trump the person is because that's how their brains work. Since they spent years spewing vile personal attacks at Clinton and Obama, they simply can't comprehend that the other side isn't like them. That this probe is actually being handled professionally and appropriately. Because if the shoe were on the other foot, there is no way they would handle anything like this professionally and appropriately. Also, Penn is technically still a Democrat, so "the other side" isn't left vs. right; it's thinking vs. Trumpista.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms.

This doesn't even make sense. It's like claiming that two plus the letter Z equals a bag of carrots, and then triumphantly proclaiming, "A-ha!"

With Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

That's not how this works. First, Trump made it clear that Rosenstein's memo was practically irrelevant; the decision to fire Comey was made by Trump for his own reasons. Second, being "friends" with someone isn't disqualifying, anyway. Married? Sure. Business partners? Absolutely. Friends? Ha. Third, of course, as the Trumpistas keep reminding us, Mueller doesn't have any dirt on Trump, anyway! This imagined conflict could only exist if there were actually evidence that Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey. If Mueller doesn't have such evidence, there's nothing for either of them to be conflicted over.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

Why a crybaby, snowflakey way to paraphrase Mueller's authority to investigate other matters that "might arise" out of his investigation into Russia.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

"Once again, I'd like to remind everyone that I'm psychic. I know what Mueller actually has in his head, and that's why I'm able to categorically deny that he actually found anything. In this way, I'm very similar to a number of crazy Republicans on a certain online political message board catering to people from the state of Indiana."

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate.

Vote over what? Is he now alluding to impeachment? Good grief.

Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

"I wonder, if I threw dog turds directly at my keyboard, what would it type out?"

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Ken Starr wasn't defeated. He finished his probe and Clinton got impeached. This guy should know, since he was working in the White House at the time, spearheading Clinton's strategic response to, you know, the impeachment.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Three long paragraphs about how to shut down Mueller. You notice what's missing here? Any reference to discovering the truth.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

If someone doesn't want to have to hire a lawyer, they probably shouldn't try to set up shady meetings with foreign officials and lie about those meetings to the FBI. Just a thought.
 
FJM-style time!

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

And we're off to the races with nonsense in the very first paragraph. Something tells me the professional investigators involved in this probe aren't scared of any reckoning, because the only people planning on doing any reckoning are the addled conspiracy nuts who have been reckoning since the day Mueller was appointed.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done.

I'd like to say this is a new world speed record in But-Hillary!-ism, but sadly, I really doubt that it is.

It is hard to see how a yearlong investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

If the IG comes down hard on Comey, it's not likely to be in a way that looks good for Trump. And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the purported topic of this piece, which was supposed to be (*checks headline*) the Mueller probe.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

"Oh, and by the way, I have complete and unyielding faith in Devin Nunes." I mean, by "congressional investigators," the author clearly isn't referring to the Senate.

But it is backfiring.

No, it's not.

They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative.

No, it's not. Australia told U.S. officials about what Downer had heard, and then set up the meeting between him and the FBI.

Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

Oh my God! The Foreign Minister put his signature on an official document outlining a charitable donation made by his own government! What scandal!

You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop.

You don't need any imagination. You only need a chronic aversion to logic and facts. Or maybe some really good drugs.

This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

So, if I understand this correctly, Downer targeted Papadopoulos as part of a secret plan to help his buddy Hillary Clinton? I just want to make sure I understand exactly what is being implied here, so I know how much incredulous laughter is warranted.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign.

No, but a person acting as a liaison between the campaign and the Kremlin would probably be sufficient. Which is what Misfud actually did.

It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings,

LOL.

to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier,

LOL!

bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

LOLOLOL!!!

Time and time again, investigators came up empty.

"Trust me, I'm psychic."

Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a DeLorean-like video with cash on the table.

Well, I guess I'm sold now. We all know that no one ever does anything shady without leaving a giant smoking gun behind. Since no one has found any Trump official describing his crimes in detail in notarized triplicate, we can probably just shut this thing down now.

But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Ah, and now we have the core of the lie. This is only happening because the Deep State hates Trump personally, and therefore none of the other things they might dig up matter. Manafort might die in a federal prison, but that doesn't mean anything, because this is all about Trump. Here's a thought. Perhaps the only reason Trumpistas imagine this is all a witch hunt directed solely at Trump the person is because that's how their brains work. Since they spent years spewing vile personal attacks at Clinton and Obama, they simply can't comprehend that the other side isn't like them. That this probe is actually being handled professionally and appropriately. Because if the shoe were on the other foot, there is no way they would handle anything like this professionally and appropriately. Also, Penn is technically still a Democrat, so "the other side" isn't left vs. right; it's thinking vs. Trumpista.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms.

This doesn't even make sense. It's like claiming that two plus the letter Z equals a bag of carrots, and then triumphantly proclaiming, "A-ha!"

With Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

That's not how this works. First, Trump made it clear that Rosenstein's memo was practically irrelevant; the decision to fire Comey was made by Trump for his own reasons. Second, being "friends" with someone isn't disqualifying, anyway. Married? Sure. Business partners? Absolutely. Friends? Ha. Third, of course, as the Trumpistas keep reminding us, Mueller doesn't have any dirt on Trump, anyway! This imagined conflict could only exist if there were actually evidence that Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey. If Mueller doesn't have such evidence, there's nothing for either of them to be conflicted over.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

Why a crybaby, snowflakey way to paraphrase Mueller's authority to investigate other matters that "might arise" out of his investigation into Russia.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

"Once again, I'd like to remind everyone that I'm psychic. I know what Mueller actually has in his head, and that's why I'm able to categorically deny that he actually found anything. In this way, I'm very similar to a number of crazy Republicans on a certain online political message board catering to people from the state of Indiana."

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate.

Vote over what? Is he now alluding to impeachment? Good grief.

Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

"I wonder, if I threw dog turds directly at my keyboard, what would it type out?"

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Ken Starr wasn't defeated. He finished his probe and Clinton got impeached. This guy should know, since he was working in the White House at the time, spearheading Clinton's strategic response to, you know, the impeachment.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Three long paragraphs about how to shut down Mueller. You notice what's missing here? Any reference to discovering the truth.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

If someone doesn't want to have to hire a lawyer, they probably shouldn't try to set up shady meetings with foreign officials and lie about those meetings to the FBI. Just a thought.

Man, that’s an excellent logical analysis of a flawed argument. I long for the day the checker players realize they’ve been in a chess match all along.
 
Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.


But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves, and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Polland author of “Microtrends Squared.” Follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.
More of the same "big lie" propaganda":

-- “deep state”
-- "a deep state of desperation"
-- "little time left"
-- "failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying"
-- "a reckoning is coming"
-- "little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules"
-- hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch"
-- Lynch "definitely wasn’t playing mahjong"
-- "the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe"
-- "dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations"
-- "backfiring"
-- "You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop."
-- "It was likely opposition research from the start"
-- "a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor"
-- "funding concealed through false campaign filings"
-- "a vast echo chamber"
-- "his unverified, fanciful dossier"
-- "Time and time again, investigators came up empty."
-- Sting operations "failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table."
-- "the deep state just expanded it."
-- " a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself"
-- "Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way"
-- "a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration"
-- "This process must now be stopped"
-- "a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again."
-- "lack of any real intelligence"
-- "abuses of power."
-- "smears conveniently leaked to the press."
-- "cleaning out and reforming the deep state"

It's really sad that Ladoga personally endorses such a negative view of America. Really sad.
 
Where can I join the "Deep State"? Do they have local town halls like the Elks and Moose's?
Yes, but they won't tell you where the bingo games are held or the rules for buying more than one bingo card.
 
Good idea. Hacking election data is a crime which should be prosecuted. But there are no hacking prosecutions pending depite the efforts of a handpicked and supposedly highly competent stable of prosecutors. There "where it takes us" part is scary and smacks of "show me the man and I'll show you the crime".
As I recall, you said in other posts that your background is somewhat high level military. That means you feel free to just authorizie the shooting of people instead of investigating them. I like America's way better.
 
More of the same "big lie" propaganda":

-- “deep state”
-- "a deep state of desperation"
-- "little time left"
-- "failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying"
-- "a reckoning is coming"
-- "little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules"
-- hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch"
-- Lynch "definitely wasn’t playing mahjong"
-- "the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe"
-- "dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations"
-- "backfiring"
-- "You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop."
-- "It was likely opposition research from the start"
-- "a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor"
-- "funding concealed through false campaign filings"
-- "a vast echo chamber"
-- "his unverified, fanciful dossier"
-- "Time and time again, investigators came up empty."
-- Sting operations "failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table."
-- "the deep state just expanded it."
-- " a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself"
-- "Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way"
-- "a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration"
-- "This process must now be stopped"
-- "a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again."
-- "lack of any real intelligence"
-- "abuses of power."
-- "smears conveniently leaked to the press."
-- "cleaning out and reforming the deep state"

It's really sad that Ladoga personally endorses such a negative view of America. Really sad.
I posted a liberals column in a liberal news source. Not one of those words were mine, but here's some of mine - this is devastating to the Obamaa administration and is doing great harm as the story unfolds. It is NOT over.
 
I posted a liberals column in a liberal news source. Not one of those words were mine, but here's some of mine - this is devastating to the Obamaa administration and is doing great harm as the story unfolds. It is NOT over.

Well, you got the last sentence right.
 
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FJM-style time!

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

And we're off to the races with nonsense in the very first paragraph. Something tells me the professional investigators involved in this probe aren't scared of any reckoning, because the only people planning on doing any reckoning are the addled conspiracy nuts who have been reckoning since the day Mueller was appointed.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done.

I'd like to say this is a new world speed record in But-Hillary!-ism, but sadly, I really doubt that it is.

It is hard to see how a yearlong investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

If the IG comes down hard on Comey, it's not likely to be in a way that looks good for Trump. And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the purported topic of this piece, which was supposed to be (*checks headline*) the Mueller probe.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

"Oh, and by the way, I have complete and unyielding faith in Devin Nunes." I mean, by "congressional investigators," the author clearly isn't referring to the Senate.

But it is backfiring.

No, it's not.

They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative.

No, it's not. Australia told U.S. officials about what Downer had heard, and then set up the meeting between him and the FBI.

Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

Oh my God! The Foreign Minister put his signature on an official document outlining a charitable donation made by his own government! What scandal!

You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop.

You don't need any imagination. You only need a chronic aversion to logic and facts. Or maybe some really good drugs.

This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

So, if I understand this correctly, Downer targeted Papadopoulos as part of a secret plan to help his buddy Hillary Clinton? I just want to make sure I understand exactly what is being implied here, so I know how much incredulous laughter is warranted.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign.

No, but a person acting as a liaison between the campaign and the Kremlin would probably be sufficient. Which is what Misfud actually did.

It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings,

LOL.

to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier,

LOL!

bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

LOLOLOL!!!

Time and time again, investigators came up empty.

"Trust me, I'm psychic."

Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a DeLorean-like video with cash on the table.

Well, I guess I'm sold now. We all know that no one ever does anything shady without leaving a giant smoking gun behind. Since no one has found any Trump official describing his crimes in detail in notarized triplicate, we can probably just shut this thing down now.

But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Ah, and now we have the core of the lie. This is only happening because the Deep State hates Trump personally, and therefore none of the other things they might dig up matter. Manafort might die in a federal prison, but that doesn't mean anything, because this is all about Trump. Here's a thought. Perhaps the only reason Trumpistas imagine this is all a witch hunt directed solely at Trump the person is because that's how their brains work. Since they spent years spewing vile personal attacks at Clinton and Obama, they simply can't comprehend that the other side isn't like them. That this probe is actually being handled professionally and appropriately. Because if the shoe were on the other foot, there is no way they would handle anything like this professionally and appropriately. Also, Penn is technically still a Democrat, so "the other side" isn't left vs. right; it's thinking vs. Trumpista.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms.

This doesn't even make sense. It's like claiming that two plus the letter Z equals a bag of carrots, and then triumphantly proclaiming, "A-ha!"

With Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

That's not how this works. First, Trump made it clear that Rosenstein's memo was practically irrelevant; the decision to fire Comey was made by Trump for his own reasons. Second, being "friends" with someone isn't disqualifying, anyway. Married? Sure. Business partners? Absolutely. Friends? Ha. Third, of course, as the Trumpistas keep reminding us, Mueller doesn't have any dirt on Trump, anyway! This imagined conflict could only exist if there were actually evidence that Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey. If Mueller doesn't have such evidence, there's nothing for either of them to be conflicted over.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

Why a crybaby, snowflakey way to paraphrase Mueller's authority to investigate other matters that "might arise" out of his investigation into Russia.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

"Once again, I'd like to remind everyone that I'm psychic. I know what Mueller actually has in his head, and that's why I'm able to categorically deny that he actually found anything. In this way, I'm very similar to a number of crazy Republicans on a certain online political message board catering to people from the state of Indiana."

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate.

Vote over what? Is he now alluding to impeachment? Good grief.

Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

"I wonder, if I threw dog turds directly at my keyboard, what would it type out?"

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Ken Starr wasn't defeated. He finished his probe and Clinton got impeached. This guy should know, since he was working in the White House at the time, spearheading Clinton's strategic response to, you know, the impeachment.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Three long paragraphs about how to shut down Mueller. You notice what's missing here? Any reference to discovering the truth.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

If someone doesn't want to have to hire a lawyer, they probably shouldn't try to set up shady meetings with foreign officials and lie about those meetings to the FBI. Just a thought.


Great analysis Goat.

Unfortunately, you are preaching to the choir. You lost the logic to those who are in need at.. And we're off to the races with..
 
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I posted a liberals column in a liberal news source. Not one of those words were mine, but here's some of mine - this is devastating to the Obamaa administration and is doing great harm as the story unfolds. It is NOT over.

“Liberals liberally liberal liberalism OBAMA liberal libs leftists liberal lefty liberalists leftism CLINTON liberal liberals *drooling* LIBERALS liberalism leftism leftists! It is NOT over.”
 
Interesting, this probe barely scratches the surface of the time and depth of the Starr probe into Clinton. One would think Penn would know that. One would think anyone who has paid attention would know that fact.
I would think Ladoga would know that. I don't recall him complaining about the exhaustive Hillary Clinton Email/Benghazi/Private Server investigation.:rolleyes:
 
FJM-style time!

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

And we're off to the races with nonsense in the very first paragraph. Something tells me the professional investigators involved in this probe aren't scared of any reckoning, because the only people planning on doing any reckoning are the addled conspiracy nuts who have been reckoning since the day Mueller was appointed.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done.

I'd like to say this is a new world speed record in But-Hillary!-ism, but sadly, I really doubt that it is.

It is hard to see how a yearlong investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

If the IG comes down hard on Comey, it's not likely to be in a way that looks good for Trump. And, of course, none of this has anything to do with the purported topic of this piece, which was supposed to be (*checks headline*) the Mueller probe.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

"Oh, and by the way, I have complete and unyielding faith in Devin Nunes." I mean, by "congressional investigators," the author clearly isn't referring to the Senate.

But it is backfiring.

No, it's not.

They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative.

No, it's not. Australia told U.S. officials about what Downer had heard, and then set up the meeting between him and the FBI.

Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

Oh my God! The Foreign Minister put his signature on an official document outlining a charitable donation made by his own government! What scandal!

You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop.

You don't need any imagination. You only need a chronic aversion to logic and facts. Or maybe some really good drugs.

This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

So, if I understand this correctly, Downer targeted Papadopoulos as part of a secret plan to help his buddy Hillary Clinton? I just want to make sure I understand exactly what is being implied here, so I know how much incredulous laughter is warranted.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign.

No, but a person acting as a liaison between the campaign and the Kremlin would probably be sufficient. Which is what Misfud actually did.

It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings,

LOL.

to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier,

LOL!

bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

LOLOLOL!!!

Time and time again, investigators came up empty.

"Trust me, I'm psychic."

Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a DeLorean-like video with cash on the table.

Well, I guess I'm sold now. We all know that no one ever does anything shady without leaving a giant smoking gun behind. Since no one has found any Trump official describing his crimes in detail in notarized triplicate, we can probably just shut this thing down now.

But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Ah, and now we have the core of the lie. This is only happening because the Deep State hates Trump personally, and therefore none of the other things they might dig up matter. Manafort might die in a federal prison, but that doesn't mean anything, because this is all about Trump. Here's a thought. Perhaps the only reason Trumpistas imagine this is all a witch hunt directed solely at Trump the person is because that's how their brains work. Since they spent years spewing vile personal attacks at Clinton and Obama, they simply can't comprehend that the other side isn't like them. That this probe is actually being handled professionally and appropriately. Because if the shoe were on the other foot, there is no way they would handle anything like this professionally and appropriately. Also, Penn is technically still a Democrat, so "the other side" isn't left vs. right; it's thinking vs. Trumpista.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms.

This doesn't even make sense. It's like claiming that two plus the letter Z equals a bag of carrots, and then triumphantly proclaiming, "A-ha!"

With Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

That's not how this works. First, Trump made it clear that Rosenstein's memo was practically irrelevant; the decision to fire Comey was made by Trump for his own reasons. Second, being "friends" with someone isn't disqualifying, anyway. Married? Sure. Business partners? Absolutely. Friends? Ha. Third, of course, as the Trumpistas keep reminding us, Mueller doesn't have any dirt on Trump, anyway! This imagined conflict could only exist if there were actually evidence that Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey. If Mueller doesn't have such evidence, there's nothing for either of them to be conflicted over.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

Why a crybaby, snowflakey way to paraphrase Mueller's authority to investigate other matters that "might arise" out of his investigation into Russia.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

"Once again, I'd like to remind everyone that I'm psychic. I know what Mueller actually has in his head, and that's why I'm able to categorically deny that he actually found anything. In this way, I'm very similar to a number of crazy Republicans on a certain online political message board catering to people from the state of Indiana."

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate.

Vote over what? Is he now alluding to impeachment? Good grief.

Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

"I wonder, if I threw dog turds directly at my keyboard, what would it type out?"

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Ken Starr wasn't defeated. He finished his probe and Clinton got impeached. This guy should know, since he was working in the White House at the time, spearheading Clinton's strategic response to, you know, the impeachment.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Three long paragraphs about how to shut down Mueller. You notice what's missing here? Any reference to discovering the truth.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.

If someone doesn't want to have to hire a lawyer, they probably shouldn't try to set up shady meetings with foreign officials and lie about those meetings to the FBI. Just a thought.

Epic analysis goat.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it’s amazing how little the “righties” remember the past. Benghazi! was investigated many, many times in different ways- and other than some mistakes being made, nothing came out of it. Just ask Trey Gowdy. That whole mess lasted several years.

Bill Clinton’s impeachment investigation lasted five + years (!), and began from an investigation into real estate dealings in AR. And ultimately needed up in him being impeached- because he lied about something that happened in his personal life.

Yet, we’ve got a campaign/administration THAT OPENLY SOUGHT ASSISTANCE FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, and somehow an investigation into that incredibly disorganized group should be magically shut down in a year (!). Let’s make sure we never forget that part.

Never mind that multiple indictments have been handed down, and the investigation is moving incredibly fast for the type of investigation it is. And, by the time we know about something, Mueller and his team are already at least 3-4 steps ahead of where we are.

And, Trump openly admitted that he fired Comey because of the “Russia thing”. Clear evidence of obstruction of justice- absent Trump actually coming forward and explaining why he said what he did. And he refuses to submit to testifying- why is that? He could speed this thing up quite a bit by simply letting it play out, and giving his testimony (as he is required to do).

In short, it amazes me how the right wing media sphere has propogated this alternate narrative about all of this. And despite all the evidence to the contrary, somehow a “deep state” exists that was determined to take Trump down. Never mind that everything they did actually HELPED him.

When Mueller issues his report, I’ve got a feeling there’s going to be a lot of folks with egg on their face.
 
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I would think Ladoga would know that. I don't recall him complaining about the exhaustive Hillary Clinton Email/Benghazi/Private Server investigation.:rolleyes:
You're right. No complaint in that regard until she's indicted for the crimes we know for certain she committed. Dozens of Clinton felonies are known. Dozens more remain to be disclosed and prosecution decisions to be made. She's a criminal, you know.
 
You're right. No complaint in that regard until she's indicted for the crimes we know for certain she committed. Dozens of Clinton felonies are known. Dozens more remain to be disclosed and prosecution decisions to be made. She's a criminal, you know.
No, I don't know, since all liberals and Democrats are criminals in your mind.:(
 
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You're right. No complaint in that regard until she's indicted for the crimes we know for certain she committed. Dozens of Clinton felonies are known. Dozens more remain to be disclosed and prosecution decisions to be made. She's a criminal, you know.

LMAO
 
You're right. No complaint in that regard until she's indicted for the crimes we know for certain she committed. Dozens of Clinton felonies are known. Dozens more remain to be disclosed and prosecution decisions to be made. She's a criminal, you know.

COH at least pretends that he doesn't really like Trump and viewed him as the lesser of 2 evils.You on the other hand appear to be all in on the Orange One.

Reminds me of something I read about Carter Page the other day where he said he's never "met" Trump.But according to Page,he admired Trump so much that he spent countless hours studying videotape of his Orangeness prior to "volunteering his services" and becoming (in the immortal words of Sean Spicer) a "hanger on" in the campaign...
 
COH at least pretends that he doesn't really like Trump and viewed him as the lesser of 2 evils.You on the other hand appear to be all in on the Orange One.

Reminds me of something I read about Carter Page the other day where he said he's never "met" Trump.But according to Page,he admired Trump so much that he spent countless hours studying videotape of his Orangeness prior to "volunteering his services" and becoming (in the immortal words of Sean Spicer) a "hanger on" in the campaign...
Did I say anything about liking Trump? No I did not. But compared to Clinton? Capone is a kindergarten teacher alongside Hilary. How cold anyone vote for her? Did you puke your way out of the voting booth?
 
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Did I say anything about liking Trump? No I did not.
You have sure fooled a lot of people, including yours truly.
I would love to know what your posts would be like if you actually LIKE Trump since you have used all the superlatives for the person you don't really like. ;)
 
Did I say anything about liking Trump? No I did not. But compared to Clinton? Capone is a kindergarten teacher alongside Hilary. How cold anyone vote for her? Did you puke your way out of the voting booth?

Lighten up. You're liable to stroke out.
 
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