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Mar-a-Lago is Under Siege

This has been my stance for a long time. The GOP great rallying cry, from POTUS to posters on this board is "I'm a victim! It's not fair! Everyone is out to get me!"
Also, “people need to be held accountable for their actions. Except me and my POTUS.”
 
Garland isn’t very smart. But I think he is smart enough to understand that what he is looking for must be damn good and worth the risks of this unprecedented action. January 6 dirt would meet the test. An Archives violation would not.
And what makes you possibly think he isn’t smart? An archives violation is a serious offense. Shameful you don’t care.
 
First of all It’s not clear that this is even classified material. Another description out there is Trump violated the records act which is why Archives is involved.

Secondly, if these are classified documents, scienter is a required element of any prosecution. The FBI Hoovering the boxes suggests it has no idea what they are looking for.. So the FBI would take the position of not knowing what Trump has, but if he has classified stuff, he did it deliberately. I don’t know if that satisfies the warrant requirements.

I think January 6 dirt is at the heart of this.
Trump returned some of the documents on two separate occasions and they found classified documents among them both times. It's a pretty good bet that the final 15 boxes also contain classified documents. I wouldn't bet against it, that's for sure.
 
I’m really not looking forward to the flood of subpoenas and investigations that are going to come from Kevin McCarthy and gang following November. It’s destructive and only a continuation of the partisan death spiral.

But actions like this guarantee that is what we’ll see. So congrats to Biden, his feckless hack AG Garland, and the FBI for laying down another brick on the road to hell.
 
Trump returned some of the documents on two separate occasions and they found classified documents among them both times. It's a pretty good bet that the final 15 boxes also contain classified documents. I wouldn't bet against it, that's for sure.
If any of those 15 boxes don't now contain classified material, you can damn sure bet they will have been found to have "post classified" documents in them.
 
I think Garland is looking for January 6 dirt. His statements to the contrary are lies.
You may be right.

Apparently, call logs, visitor logs and other documents generated on Jan. 5 and 6 are missing. Such documents are govt. property and may be classified as well. It seems possible Trump may have them at Mar-a-Lago (or used to).
 
When will the FBI give the proceeds if the warrant to the House Committee?

and speaking of helpful constitutional amendments, how about one that says if there is no budget, or if there is a budget deficit, for the pending year, no house or senate committee can hold any investigative hearings?
 
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I’m really not looking forward to the flood of subpoenas and investigations that are going to come from Kevin McCarthy and gang following November. It’s destructive and only a continuation of the partisan death spiral.

But actions like this guarantee that is what we’ll see. So congrats to Biden, his feckless hack AG Garland, and the FBI for laying down another brick on the road to hell.
So yeah I guess he wasn’t just trolling us with his nonsense.
 
You may be right.

Apparently, call logs, visitor logs and other documents generated on Jan. 5 and 6 are missing. Such documents are govt. property and may be classified as well. It seems possible Trump may have them at Mar-a-Lago (or used to).
Then that would be called two birds with one stone.
 
I’m really not looking forward to the flood of subpoenas and investigations that are going to come from Kevin McCarthy and gang following November. It’s destructive and only a continuation of the partisan death spiral.

But actions like this guarantee that is what we’ll see. So congrats to Biden, his feckless hack AG Garland, and the FBI for laying down another brick on the road to hell.
The people who are butthurt about this are the same people who giddily chanted "Lock her up!" It's not Biden's fault Trump's followers are largely hypocritical morons.
 
PS - it is no more a “raid” than January 6 was a “coup”

The FBI served a warrant that allowed specific search(es) for specific things approved by a judge.

Can’t wait to read the affidavit and the warrant. It will reveal facts, and some of the lefties might die. There ain't no vaccination for facts.
 
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And what would that argument be? Having boxes of papers stored or smashing cell phones with a ball peen hammer. I've accidentally done that with at least 3 cell phones of my own so I am sure the time sit happens is a huge number.
The people who are butthurt about this are the same people who giddily chanted "Lock her up!" It's not Biden's fault Trump's followers are largely hypocritical morons.
Its not Trump's fault most liberals are largely hypocritical morons either.
 
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PS - it is no more a “raid” than January 6 was a “coup”

The FBI served a warrant that allowed specific search(es) for specific things approved by a judge.

Can’t wait to read the affidavit and the warrant. It will reveal facts, and some of the lefties might die. There ain't no vaccination for facts.
You’d think it would be released by now if it’s so detrimental to FBI, Garland, etc. Trump and his lawyers clearly have it. What are they waiting for? Book Rudy on Fox stat!
 
First of all It’s not clear that this is even classified material. Another description out there is Trump violated the records act which is why Archives is involved.

Secondly, if these are classified documents, scienter is a required element of any prosecution. The FBI Hoovering the boxes suggests it has no idea what they are looking for.. So the FBI would take the position of not knowing what Trump has, but if he has classified stuff, he did it deliberately. I don’t know if that satisfies the warrant requirements.

I think January 6 dirt is at the heart of this.
How about if I come to your house when you're not looking and take unopened boxes of stuff from your garage, attic and basement and store it at my house?

In that hypothetical, would you claim that I did not take the boxes "deliberately," just because I didn't know what was inside?

I can't imagine that anyone is going to defend Trump by saying he didn't know exactly what he was taking/keeping. If the feds get serious, it would be enough to prove only that Trump knew he was taking/keeping something that didn't belong to him.

Property is property.
 
How about if I come to your house when you're not looking and take unopened boxes of stuff from your garage, attic and basement and store it at my house?

In that hypothetical, would you claim that I did not take the boxes "deliberately," just because I didn't know what was inside?

I can't imagine that anyone is going to defend Trump by saying he didn't know exactly what he was taking/keeping. If the feds get serious, it would be enough to prove only that Trump knew he was taking/keeping something that didn't belong to him.

Property is property.

If i get caught stealing, i'm definitely hiring CO as my lawyer.

Your honor, my eyes were closed the entire time. I thought i was just taking freebies.
 
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How about if I come to your house when you're not looking and take unopened boxes of stuff from your garage, attic and basement and store it at my house?

In that hypothetical, would you claim that I did not take the boxes "deliberately," just because I didn't know what was inside?

I can't imagine that anyone is going to defend Trump by saying he didn't know exactly what he was taking/keeping. If the feds get serious, it would be enough to prove only that Trump knew he was taking/keeping something that didn't belong to him.

Property is property.
Maybe the FBI is still looking for Ashley Biden’s diary.
 
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Yes, that is also inconsistent and hypocritical. The difference would be gross negligence (HRC was that and it meets the definition of the crime) and deliberate. However, many defended HRC by claiming it was no big deal that Top Secret SAP information was transmitted and stored in her unauthorized and unsecure personal email system. Properly handling classified information is ALWAYS a big deal.
You might find it interesting to go back and research Colin Powell's explanation why he didn't keep his own records as Secy of State on the official, designated govt. computer system. (He said basically that the one he used was more secure than the one he was supposed to use.)

He spoke openly about it but, funny thing, nobody wants to claim he broke the law.
 
How about if I come to your house when you're not looking and take unopened boxes of stuff from your garage, attic and basement and store it at my house?

In that hypothetical, would you claim that I did not take the boxes "deliberately," just because I didn't know what was inside?

I can't imagine that anyone is going to defend Trump by saying he didn't know exactly what he was taking/keeping. If the feds get serious, it would be enough to prove only that Trump knew he was taking/keeping something that didn't belong to him.

Property is property.
How about if someone loads some of your furniture and china sets up in a moving van and takes them to Arkansas?
 
Somebody with authority said or leaked this search was not about January 6.
I'm guessing it's about Jan 6 too. There's no reason for DOJ to deny it. Absolutely no question in my mind they should see what's in this information that is legally property of the US govt.
 
If any of those 15 boxes don't now contain classified material, you can damn sure bet they will have been found to have "post classified" documents in them.
Just so you know, the number of boxes as "15" that people talk about comes from one of the earlier occasions on which Trump returned some of the documents he had taken.

I don't think anyone has announced yet how many boxes the FBI took from Mar-a-Lago yesterday.
 
PS - it is no more a “raid” than January 6 was a “coup”

The FBI served a warrant that allowed specific search(es) for specific things approved by a judge.

Can’t wait to read the affidavit and the warrant. It will reveal facts, and some of the lefties might die. There ain't no vaccination for facts.
When are the affidavit and warrant likely to be made public by the govt.?

And, is the recipient/target (Trump) permitted to release copies of those himself?

Thanks.
 
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You should go back and research Colin Powell's explanation why he didn't keep his own records as Secy of State on the official, designated govt. computer system. (He said basically that the one he used was more secure than the one he was supposed to use.)

He spoke openly about it but, funny thing, nobody wants to claim he broke the law.
I've looked into it thoroughly and I explained the difference thoroughly. First, and most importantly, Colin Powell didn't use an unclassified system, State's or whatever he used, for classified information. He had a SIPR account, and he used it. Second, Powell had a NIPR account (state.gov) and did use it. When he was SecState it was common to use a personal account when unable to access a NIPR account. Powell stated that he'd CC his account if he wasn't emailing someone at a state.gov account so that his emails would be archived as required by the Records act. If he was emailing someone at his/her state.gov account it got archived that way. Incidentally, I had to do this myself on occasion during this period. These days, and when HRC was SecState, it's easy to access your official email on a government cell phone. Third, it was not yet US government and State department policy to use NIPR accounts for all official business. That was policy when HRC was SecState and she flagrantly broke that policy. In fact, she sent a memo to all State Department employees reiterating the policy while at the same time flagrantly breaking the policy. This is classic "do as I say, not as I do" leadership - which is to say sorry fricking leadership. HRC didn't EVEN HAVE a state.gov account. That is just pathetic in every way. No one ever said to lock her up because she used a personal email account because that's not a crime, it's a violation of policy. The crime was mishandling classified information. Make no mistake, HRC was grossly negligent with highly classified information (TS SAP is the highest level of classification) and met the requirements of the criminal statute for prosecution. She was as worthy of a sentence similar to that of Petraeus or Berger (who got off very lightly) at least. She also proved that she's not a leader. We had the two worst choices this country has had for President in my lifetime and that was a real shame.
 
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I saw where the MAGA crowd were protesting outside Mar-A-Lago last night, which is hilarious. Trump doesn't like those people and under different circumstances/context, he'd likely have them removed. He loves the low-information voters, but save for getting them whipped up into a frenzy to support him, he doesn't want them anywhere near him.

That's the irony of this all. It's so weird to me that Trump is the hill these people are willing to die on. There are some fringe elements who are calling for a new civil war over this. And not only will Trump let it happen, he'd 100% let them hang out to dry if push came to shove. If a rogue group decided to take over a federal building or hold a Democratic legislator hostage - or something like that - Trump would MAYBE eventually give a half-hearted comment about those people not fully representing him/his followers, but he really wouldn't care.

Imagine throwing your life away in the name of Trump. What a bunch of gullible chumps.
Spot-on observations.
 
Maybe the FBI is still looking for Ashley Biden’s diary.
So, you read my post, but didn't answer the questions in my post and instead responded with a deflection to Ashley Biden.

Thanks for agreeing with my point.
 
First of all It’s not clear that this is even classified material. Another description out there is Trump violated the records act which is why Archives is involved.

Secondly, if these are classified documents, scienter is a required element of any prosecution. The FBI Hoovering the boxes suggests it has no idea what they are looking for.. So the FBI would take the position of not knowing what Trump has, but if he has classified stuff, he did it deliberately. I don’t know if that satisfies the warrant requirements.

I think January 6 dirt is at the heart of this.
Oh bullshit. Stop with the baseless speculation.
 
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