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Probably the girls wanted to wait and see if some day one of their attackers was nominated to the Supreme Court.
Yeah, and I brought it up to shed light on the environment in which Kavanaugh was a major participant in those parties and those activities . . . and you did exactly what I knew you would do with it, i.e., try to undercut the credibility of Kavanaugh's accuser.
Character revealed indeed - this time your character, Jim. And it's clearly lacking . . . .
Just trying to understand what normal people would do, and I find it odd. You don't?
You find what odd? We've covered a good bit of ground, and if you're still focused on what the accuser apparently admits to in her affidavit while not focusing at least as much on what Kavanaugh is alleged to have done in the same context, then that's a problem.
You can't have it all one way . . . you either take her allegations against Kavanaugh and her admissions against self as true, or you disregard them all because she couldn't have made admissions about herself without Kavanaugh's actions creating the context underlying her admissions.
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Why would those idiots go up to a hotel room and get drugged by Bill Cosby...then not even go to the police about it?
I recently started working with an old High school Buddy, whom I had not seen or talk to in 29 years. We ran in the same circles, did a lo of things (parties, sports, cruzeing...) together. I am not learning that there was an entire subculture at our high school, that I was right in the middle of, and never had the first clue it was going on. It also involved sex, drug, alcohol, swapping,Police investigations..... But I imagine that is impossible to be the case here, totally impossible. OH, and any of those boys or girls could easily say that I should have known, because I was very integrated (or I thought) with those clicks.
The above mentioned is not a pledge of guilt or innocence, just an observation of a similar circumstance.
The above mentioned is not a pledge of guilt or innocence, just an observation of a similar circumstance.
"Asking for a friend" I see . . . mmmm-hmmm . . . .
Quite frankly, I do not know what to believe. I made a post somewhere earlier today that I thought BK has probably done "something" along the lines of what he has been accused of, but the truth is probably somewhere in between. I believe that that is consistent with my questioning why a woman would continue to go to a party where the drugging and gang-raping of women was taking place. I believe there is sufficient motivation to embellish the facts that took place, and the Dems are coaching them all the way through. Has Kavanaugh been forth-coming with all of this? Hell, I don't know, and neither does anyone else.
Did these parties get out of hand? Most certainly, by most standards. I wouldn't want my 17 year old daughter to attend one of these parties, and pray to God that if she did, she would have enough common sense not to go again. If she saw one of her friends being gang raped, I would hope that she would tell us or the authorities, and never step foot around those people again. And quite frankly, I would be shocked if she didn't, because I believe her to be normal.
And, having thought through all that, what does that tell you about Kavanaugh's participation in those parties?
Well, I don't know that I have an answer. Even in the latest release, she states that he was there, but did not see him having sex with her or anyone else. She did not see him dropping the drugs in, but that he was present at these parties. As a lawyer, how do you interpret that?
When I was in high school, we had frequent parties that were measured by the number of kegs. Literally a couple hundred people might be there. I am quite sure that I have know idea who hooked up, who didn't, who was smoking weed, who didn't, and so on. There may have been sexual assaults going on that to this day I know absolutely nothing about
Being a womanizing black out drunk is redeemable. Incapacitating women with alcohol or drugs so you and/or your peer group can have sex with them is not redeemable in any way, shape or form.
The issue is Kavanaugh's character, not whether he committed a specific crime.
That distinction is all you need to see Kavanaugh's candidacy clearly.
Edit: 4th woman just says she knew Kavanaugh, saw him at parties and he was a jerk when drunk
https://mont.thesentinel.com/2018/0...lture-of-privilege-leading-to-sexual-assault/
She was sexually assaulted by someone else a year later, another prep from a Catholic school
https://mont.thesentinel.com/2018/0...lture-of-privilege-leading-to-sexual-assault/
She was sexually assaulted by someone else a year later, another prep from a Catholic school
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I agree, hence why I used hedge words like "seems to" and "ostensibly".
You do wonder how much latent guilt might be at play here. Like is he so freaked out by the person he was that he'll go so far as lying or committing perjury to uphold the new version of himself?
So if this continues on this trajectory, is this the type thing that brings down entire governments and creates a ruling class of incumbents with no fear of being replaced until they die?
No, but the early returns from polling are very good for the Dems' chances in Nov.
Orrin Hatch, Lindsey Graham and other ancient Republican shadows are fighting tooth and nail to keep Kavanaugh afloat. Conservatives need to replace these Neanderthals in the worst way.
As opposed to the ancient decrepit Democrats? I am not in favor of either group of ancients but it isnt one sided
Seriously, Doesn't any story about two women and an angel come to mind? That's twice you ignored the question. Starting to look like you don't know.
You are deadass wrong in saying this: "Testimony by itself is not evidence.". Testimony is always evidence, despite your "if" hypothetical.
For the other question, do you need a hint?
Actually, it'd also be interesting if any of them filed a disciplinary complaint against Kavanaugh in the supreme court of the state which issued his attorney license (probably VA or MD I'm guessing).
I read that a guy can't be a federal judge unless he has been admitted to practice law by at least one of the 50 states. Can't imagine he disclosed any of this stuff when he applied for his state-issued attorney license. Be a shame if he lost his law license for a few months. Am I right about any of this lawyers?
I said that because of what his roommate said and also Judge’s wife and multiple others. And it’s obvious what the boys were trying to reply. Once again, beneath you to use a silly tag line and try to do a gotcha moment on a very serious subject.
That’s about as lame as I can’t be racist because I have a black friend. Nice try.I would set her up with any two of my sons. She is only a nutjob in some minds because she doesn't confine her thoughts to Democratic group think. I think she is great. Now hear I am saying an African American woman is great. I thought I was a racist because I voted for Trump.
Most people are smart enough to be able to put parts of pieces of puzzles together to come to a logical conclusion. Sadly, we all know you cannot. No one, can explain why Kavanaugh wouldn’t want an FBI investigation to clear his name. Any innocent man would. The worse part is, all the Republicans know he is guilty, or they would demand one. Second, why in the world wouldn’t he insist Judge be there? An eyewitness to several of the allegations. Yet he’s hiding out at the advice of his attorney. Those two things could clear things up very quickly. Yet Republicans won’t let it happen.
When is the last time you can recall a woman falsely accusing a powerful, high profile man of rape an dit not being true?
He is slimy, but I’m not sure why people questioned that he actually had a client with something to say. He isn’t stupid.My mind is made up about the vote and I think the minds of all but maybe five Senators are made up. I would vote no but I have been for voting against him even before the allegations and I have mixed feelings on the allegations so they have no influence on how I think they should vote unless BK confesses. If he confessed I would change my vote from no to hell no!
I believe Ford believes this happened to her and it was BK that did it. I haven't been convinced that BK is guilty of it. I think he's possibly telling the truth that it wasn't him and it's possible that he's lying. I don't know. It's still he said she said. My personal experience of being falsely accused of sexual assault could be influencing me but I don't think anyone except Ford can be certain BK tried to rape her in high school 1982 or whatever.
I read the New Yorker article and I think this might help BK. The article and the NYT says they can't find anyone to say that they seen anything like Ramirez said happened. Some people said that Ramirez told them that she wasn't sure it was BK. I think she might have had something like that happen to her but this is much more shaky than Ford. Unfortunately this could firm up the opinion of the right side that this is all a Democrat smear campaign and convince every Pub to vote yes and it's over. It might even provide enough cover for even the red state Democrats to vote to confirm. It would probably be better for us that would like BK not to be confirmed if that article never happened.
Avenatti seems like a slimy used car salesman and if his claim to have another victim fall through than our hopes to stop BK confirmation are probably done. Unless a bombshell like a BK confession happens tomorrow. I wouldn't put many Benjamins on that.
My mind is also made up that politicians still suck!
Just so I've got this straight.
In short, she claimed that as a 20-year-old college student who had graduated from a run-of-the-mill public high school that she frequently partied with high school students from some of the most elite private schools in the DC area. During those parties drinks were served that had been spiked with grain alcohol or drugs in order to make targeted girls unconscious and then boys would "run a train" on them.
We don’t have Trump as leader of our party. No fantasyland, reality. The guy that’s supporting a serial abuser, because he is one himself. The guy who was laughed at by world leaders. The guy who his own closest advisors say is an f—ing moron. So yeah, right now libs def have the high road.
Of course not. Because the women have been quiet. Men really, rally don’t understand this kind of thing very well. Or conservative men I should say.
I actually understand your question. My best answer is that these guys were obviously the cool, popular guys. Sadly, many girls will do anything to stay with a group like that. And probably assumed it would never happen to them.
That sounds about right except for a few missing details. She personally observed Judge and Kavanaugh behaving in a sexually abusive and aggressive manner towards girls at the party. That she saw the pair trying to get girls drunk. And that she herself was the victim at a party at which Judge and Kavanaugh were present.
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