Kavanaugh

[UncleMark]

Russ Feingold weighs in, says Kavanaugh has already lied under oath on previous occasions. The first example re: Pickering was new info to me.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ld-kavanaugh-lies_us_5ba020f6e4b013b0977defff

 

[mashnut]

An exception, I hope, would be that if she is willing to lie under oath, she not be believed for any fact ever and be jailed appropriately.

Just to be clear, the standard you want is that the folks involved in an allegation like this should testify under oath, and should be punished for lying under oath. I assume that's why you've been at the front of the line calling for Trump and his accusers to testify under oath and consequences for lying, right?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Nope, I’m talking about a group. There’s an awful lot of women that don’t support other women.

You mean they don’t support women the way you think they should support women.

 

[sglowrider]

Christine Blasey Ford feared an avalanche of attacks if she went public about Kavanaugh, friends say
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09...year-before-kavanaugh-nomination-friends-say/

‘I’ve been trying to forget this all my life,’ she told friend, ‘and now I’m supposed to remember every little detail’

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

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Feinstein was in a tough spot. Difficult to draw the line between the need to know and a victim who clearly did not want the media exposure.

Why did Ford send it to her?

 

[IUCrazy2]

If they are blackout is a good indication, if they are falling, slurring , etc. There actually is an awful lot of education on this, at least at IU. I’m not naive enough to think it helps in every situation, but in my five years dealing now with 500 girls, none of them have had an issue. It’s not just with the fraternities and sororities either, it’s also in some of the freshman class intro week info. Think that’s a really good step.

And see I think that is fair as long as the girls are getting told the same thing about hooking up with boys in the same condition.

 

[zeke4ahs]

https://hillreporter.com/kavanaugh-loses-support-from-63-out-of-65-women-who-vouched-for-him-7467
This is a little misleading, because they haven’t gotten ahold of everyone. But evidently many of the women signing the statement withdrew their support once they read the letter.

 

[Stuffshot]

No is a word.

It's verbal. That's entirely different than what you described: "it’s a natural thing that anyone that knows how to read another person knows the right thing to do." Relying on ill-defined ability to "read" another person doesn't work, agreed? At least it's less reliable than a verbal word, agreed?

 

[zeke4ahs]

You mean they don’t support women the way you think they should support women.

No, I mean many women don’t support other women, having absolutely zero to do with politics.

 

[Stuffshot]

God knows how many rules I violated just admitting I remembered seeing that movie.

 

[zeke4ahs]

And see I think that is fair as long as the girls are getting told the same thing about hooking up with boys in the same condition.

I don’t really hear too often of guys being forced into sex or having deep regrets after a drunken encounter, but I’m sure it happens occasionally.

 

[zeke4ahs]

It's verbal. That's entirely different than what you described: "it’s a natural thing that anyone that knows how to read another person knows the right thing to do." Relying on ill-defined ability to "read" another person doesn't work, agreed? At least it's less reliable than a verbal word, agreed?

No, I think generally most people can read the nonverbal cues. But if you can’t, or are unsure, then you ask.

 

[hoosboot]

If you are up on the social aspect of teenagers, as I think you are, you will agree with me that teenage girls are every bit as aggressive, maybe even more so, than the average teenage boy these days. We have lived it, and are living it right now. I can assure you that is our experience, and absolutely do not feel it is the boys responsibility solely to make sure the girls don’t drink too much or consent. It is both of their responsibilities. Would it be polite and appropriate? Yes

It's a very simple concept. Consent is something that is given. It's not something that is taken. And that concept applies to both men and women for men and women. I'm not sure why people find it difficult to grasp.

 

[sglowrider]

Why did Ford send it to her?

I am assuming its part of her recovery journey back from her trauma. Taking control of your own life by doing something about it rather than the typical approach which is to 'forget about it and bury it.'
It started in 2012 when her husband and she went for therapy. So we can assume that it has affected her in many ways including relationship/distrust issues that have not been discussed or is in the public domain.

Men are simple folks -- if someone did something similar to us, we would react almost immediately since we were kids. Women have been socialised not to create a fuss. They bury so much inside them from their view of us, their relationships and the way they are being treated. Men call it patience or being patient.

 

[Stuffshot]

No, I think generally most people can read the nonverbal cues. But if you can’t, or are unsure, then you ask.

"Generally."
"Most people."

And, if you think you read someone perfectly and go forward? Then what happens when a criticism arises years later? Is everything gonna be OK? What resolves a disagreement years later as to whether there was a consent or not?

You left out logic paths for those critical possibilities but don't worry -- I don't think there's an answer to those anyway.

 

[UncleMark]

Why did Ford send it to her?

I speculated on Friday when this first hit that she naively thought that Feinstein would be able to do something behind the scenes to torpedo the nomination without her having to come forward publicly. I've seen nothing since to make me believe differently. Of course, her motive for doing so will be questioned.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I speculated on Friday when this first hit that she naively thought that Feinstein would be able to do something behind the scenes to torpedo the nomination without her having to come forward publicly. I've seen nothing since to make me believe differently. Of course, her motive for doing so will be questioned.

That's pretty reasonable, as far as speculation goes. She probably expected something to come of it; it likely wasn't solely for reasons of personal growth/healing.

 

[zeke4ahs]

"Generally."
"Most people."

And, if you think you read someone perfectly and go forward? Then what happens when a criticism arises years later? Is everything gonna be OK? What resolves a disagreement years later as to whether there was a consent or not?

You left out logic paths for those critical possibilities but don't worry -- I don't think there's an answer to those anyway.

Nothing happens years later unless you forced yourself on someone. How is that hard to understand?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

https://hillreporter.com/kavanaugh-loses-support-from-63-out-of-65-women-who-vouched-for-him-7467
This is a little misleading, because they haven’t gotten ahold of everyone. But evidently many of the women signing the statement withdrew their support once they read the letter.

Actually, you’re being misleading. If you actually read the article and the linked article, none of them withdrew their support. Some just declined to comment. That’s not the same.

 

[Stuffshot]

That's pretty reasonable, as far as speculation goes. She probably expected something to come of it; it likely wasn't solely for reasons of personal growth/healing.

Hey GOAT. She now has a husband who's apparently involved in her therapy (at least according to the posts, at least).

I've seen this before, i.e. an old situation gets resurrected out of the blue when a woman's relatively new husband convinces her to raise the issue. Have you seen this?

 

[Stuffshot]

Nothing happens years later unless you forced yourself on someone. How is that hard to understand?

Ah. Thank you. That's what I thought. It doesn't matter if someone "read" someone else's signs at the time.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

No, I mean many women don’t support other women, having absolutely zero to do with politics.

What does that mean in a thread about politics? I don’t get the point.

 

[twenty02]

It is a Gordian knot to you .."magic words" lol ... that's funny. "Hi" works for me ... you'll have to find your own.

Try talking to a woman, and instead of thinking of them as a woman, think of them as a human. and without mentioning football, or beer, (those are very boring topics) maybe then you'll get the insight you're seeking and woefully lacking. Instead of fronting, and manipulating, try being genuine and honest, it works wonders. You can't sneak or force yourself in...

A brewery tour makes for a very fine first date, ...most girls that are into beer end up being very cool.

If they need to order a Cosmo or some other colored flavor cocktail bullshit, you should run away immediately.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I am assuming its part of her recovery journey back from her trauma. Taking control of your own life by doing something about it rather than the typical approach which is to 'forget about it and bury it.'
It started in 2012 when her husband and she went for therapy. So we can assume that it has affected her in many ways including relationship/distrust issues that have not been discussed or is in the public domain.

Men are simple folks -- if someone did something similar to us, we would react almost immediately since we were kids. Women have been socialised not to create a fuss. They bury so much inside them from their view of us, their relationships and the way they are being treated. Men call it patience or being patient.

So if we men would logically expect something to be done with a similar letter sent by one of us, we just don’t get it?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

A brewery tour makes for a very fine first date, ...most girls that are into beer end up being very cool.

If they need to order a Cosmo or some other colored flavor cocktail bullshit, you should run away immediately.

A first date should always involve alcohol.

She orders a rye whiskey = stick around.
She orders an appletini = excuse yourself to the restroom, and sneak out through the kitchen, then change your phone number and get plastic surgery.

 

[IUCrazy2]

I don’t really hear too often of guys being forced into sex or having deep regrets after a drunken encounter, but I’m sure it happens occasionally.

Some guys are different from women in that way.

I guess stupid drunk is not what would really concern me. When a girl is blackout drunk, to me that us an obvious no go. You send her home with her girlfriends or if the two of you are together, you put her to bed and scoot on out.

Where I think it becomes more murky is when both are intoxicated but are still appearing to be in control of themselves.

 

[Jeb MT Mater]

A first date should always involve alcohol.

She orders a rye whiskey = stick around.
She orders an appletini = excuse yourself to the restroom, and sneak out through the kitchen, then change your phone number and get plastic surgery.

A first date should always involve sex. How else are you going to know if you want to drink with her?

 

[sglowrider]

A first date should always involve sex. How else are you going to know if you want to drink with her?

Gets it out of the way, so we can all enjoy the nice bottle of 1998 Bollinger RD.

 

[Morrison]

A brewery tour makes for a very fine first date, ...most girls that are into beer end up being very cool.

If they need to order a Cosmo or some other colored flavor cocktail bullshit, you should run away immediately.

I had a threesome a couple of weeks ago. Took two women with me to Russian River Brewery, because they have a 12 pack limit per person. We didn’t have sex, unless you consider drinking Pliny oral sex. I do.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

unless you consider drinking Pliny oral sex.

You should really probably think that analogy through a little bit more.

 

[Morrison]

You should really probably think that analogy through a little bit more.

Yeah, that doesn’t sound so good. Twenty knows what I mean!

 

[meridian]

It's verbal. That's entirely different than what you described: "it’s a natural thing that anyone that knows how to read another person knows the right thing to do." Relying on ill-defined ability to "read" another person doesn't work, agreed? At least it's less reliable than a verbal word, agreed?

Talking to yourself?

 

[twenty02]

I don’t really hear too often of guys being forced into sex or having deep regrets after a drunken encounter, but I’m sure it happens occasionally.

Not a many guy that regrets sex.

I was drunkenly sexually assaulted twice...literally borderline blackout drunk and had women remove my clothing....blow me until I was ready to perform...then mount me like a horse.

I have very, very blurry recollections of both times...and both times were with women I casually knew through friends and would party with...and also had zero interest with.....and I somehow lived with myself all these years. Maybe I'll be able to finally come clean with it another 20 years or so...wonder if either of them is being set for a high level promotion soon.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I don’t really hear too often of guys being forced into sex or having deep regrets after a drunken encounter, but I’m sure it happens occasionally.

OH it happens. But it is rarely forced. More like coerced. Though one of my fuzzy recollections may be a light forced.

 

[stollcpa]

Another possibility is that if indeed the party took place and K was proven to have been at the party. Since he has been insisting that he knew nothing about it, what would be the consequence?

What party? She can’t give the year this happen let alone a specific date. How the hell does he refute anything?

 

[Lucy01]

What party? She can’t give the year this happen let alone a specific date. How the hell does he refute anything?

Her lawyer is a bought and paid for thug by the DNC and has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clintons and Obama.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

So ridiculous. If that’s what you got, you aren’t paying attention at all. Basically what is being said is don’t force yourself on women you don’t even know. Is that so hard?

That helps but in this day and age there are unfortunately bad actors that lie about sexually assault and rape, which is likely where some of this skepticism comes from (Duke LAX, UVA, sacred heart, etc.).

And the penalty for false accusations doesn't seem to match the crime*:

https://6abc.com/ex-college-student-sent-to-prison-for-false-rape-accusation/4042954/


*Not saying Ford is anything, just pointing out factors that influence feelings, on top of all of the political ones.

 

[stollcpa]

Her lawyer is a bought and paid for thug by the DNC and has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clintons and Obama.

And she don’t believe women when they accuse democrats.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Ah. Thank you. That's what I thought. It doesn't matter if someone "read" someone else's signs at the time.

What if she gives you the OK sign? It could get confusing. Do you get punched or sex, or is she a white supremacist, or is she just trolling you?

 

[Lucy01]

And she don’t believe women when they accuse democrats.

She looks like a rainbow warrior.