Screw Kansas and the unethical culture that Dollar Bill Self has built.
I hope Self goes down in flames.
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I hope Self goes down in flames.
Heck, one of the Gopher players who actively took part in that brawl is in Cooperstown.
Off court incident vs on court incident with coach in charge of his team on the floor and accountable for their actions in his presence.
I'm surprised KU alums have not asked for Dollar Bill Self to resign in disgust and embarrassment to the university.
I don't like Weber's anti-IU bias cultivated while on the bench at Purdue and Ill.
But I have zero respect for the unethical sleaze culture at KU under Self.
One far more dangerous and potentially harmful than the other but, if those are the standards, so be it. But in what way has Self not been fully accountable for his program? He immediately condemned the conduct of the players and accepted responsibility for what occurred.
Exactly. It's the baseball HOF, not the morality HOF. A mockery that Pete Rose isn't in there. JMO.
It's only a matter of time... if they stop winning conference championships and playing for national ones. As long as he's winning, he's not going anywhere, unless he pulls more serious stunts. And I guess after the Snoop Dog cash gun, that would have to be murdering someone? If he did that, I think they might actually get serious about punishing him. Maybe.
I can't believe there is a poster who makes sense on this thread. Self, Izzy, Kansas, MSU don't read the threads from this forum. Nobody outside of a small group of self-righteous zealots cares about the opinions they express. Yet, they rant and rave as if the world is coming to an end.
The problem with some Coaches is they suffer from the Father Flanigan Complex. There are no bad kids, just misunderstood people. They all deserve multiple chances with the hope that the learned from their previous mistakes.
The problem is that these kids take this attitude into real life situations. If these incidents happened on the street they would be charged with Assault and Battery at the least. The penalties for that are much greater than a 3 game suspension.
This doesn't only involve athletes. I look periodically at some of the online newspapers from my home state of Wisconsin. I am amazed at the number of stories I see about people arrested for their 7th, 8th, or 9th DUI. How are these people on the street? Obviously they didn't learn from their mistakes because there were never significant consequences for their initial conduct. How does a person with a lifetime suspension, no license, no way to insure a car get to acquire and title a vehicle, and what type of idiot would allow themselves to be used as a straw man buyer or owner of a car and allow a person with that history to drive it?
Wow, snowflake response. Just kids - all is ok. The damn guy raised a chair over his head with spectators at his feet - sorry, this is not okay at all and demands he not play again at KU or in college.
Winfield was on that team, but the 3 players from Minnesota involved in the major part of the brawl were Jim Brewer, Ron Behagen, and Corky Taylor.
Winfield threw some punches. But Taylor and Behagen did the worst of it. I think it was Taylor who offered Witte a hand up after the foul and then kneed him in the nuts.
This board has never really been rational or reasonable. At least not the loud crowd.
What has gotten into you? You’ve been part of the loud, unreasonable and irrational crowd for a long time. You seem to be trying to live that down today. Are you taking new meds? Are you just having some good days lately?
Has Self taken responsibility for $100K+ payments to recruits?
So Self accepting responsibility should be immediately suspended until further notice.
The punishment should come from the NCAA. The conference could protect their best team and not give them the proper punishment.
The NCAA needs an overhaul. We keep hearing how players need to be paid because "times have changed". The NCAA needs to change. It doesn't seem the NCAA is representing the schools with equal application of the rules. Who expects them to find Self violated rules by paying players? Who thinks they will drag it out until everyone has forgotten about it? It is time for a vote of no confidence and do a courtesy flush of the NCAA.
Here is what I think was such a shame with this incident. It all had to do with unsportmanlike conduct. The game was over and Kansas was dribbling it out. The Kansas State player gets all cute and decides to steal the ball to get two meaningless point. So Kansas is not happy with this and De Sousa blocks the shot of the kid going for a layup. He can't just leave it at that. He has to stand over him to degrade him. Both of those players if they had just had better conduct then all of this would not have happened. It's all about respect for the opponent. If you are beat then take it like a man. If you block a shot then don't disrespect your opponent by standing over him and gloating.
I blame Myles Brand. He was going to clean up the NCAA like he did Indiana basketball. Instead he ruined both.
Really how so? Because I think the penalties were to light? You think they were good?
I am still awaiting the name of the program and time that the off-court incident described in this thread took place.
I have no problem with what the KSU guy did, unless his Coach told him not to guard and let the clock run out. I was the same kind of guy: I'm probably playing until the buzzer sounds. I also have no problem with the KU player getting pissed and trying to block his shot. Reasonably he could have let him go, but reason doesn't always takeover. As you said, the problem was him standing over him.... him raising the chair... To me, KU players were the instigators and I think should bear the brunt of any suspensions or punishment.
KU had the worst behavior overall but KSU players and the clown in the white pants have plenty of culpability in the escalation.
I disagree... except for the kid you mention.. black shirt and white pants, he was overboard. You can have all the rules in place about not leaving the bench you want, but when I see another guy standing over my teammate like that and then a fight starts, I'm going to get his back. Yes, it's against the rules and there might be consequences, but that's just human nature and I think is why KSU is seeing less penalties. As a Coach, I'd tell my kids you can't leave the bench in that situation, but I'd not be too upset they did with the other teams behavior. EDIT: In fact, I'd probably be a bit proud and wonder if I had a chemistry problem if no one did. I suspect this year's IU team would leave the bench to help a teammate. Last year, I have my doubts.
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