Kamala Harris will not be the nominee

[Spartans9312]

You act as if people don't choose their political candidate because of what the other option is. Do you think people were so in love with Biden in 2020 and that's why they chose him? No, they chose him because they didn't want 4 more years or Trump.

It's about who they will/won't appoint to the SC and other things.

I don't love Kamala Harris. Not going to fly flags, wear hats, shirts or paint a bus to worship her. But I'll fill in that box with my pen/pencil in November because she isn't MAGA. Lots of other people feel the same way...they were looking for a viable, cognitive option to vote for instead of Trump. That's the only box she needs to check with a lot of people.

1. Is she for Medicare for All? She doesn’t seem to commit to policy positions. This is one example

2. How do you feel about her record as a prosecutor? She struggled to defend her past actions

3. She has a history of poor treatment of her staff

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6541-mehlenbacher-harris-resignation-letter/f0475e62906e5d2056f8/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

4. She was considered a top tier candidate previously…what happened? It couldn’t be that she is also an authoritarian with regards to public policy.

5. Previously she dropped out 2 months before the Iowa caucuses. Why?

Kamala Harris drops out of 2020 presidential race - Roll Call

California Sen. Kamala Harris announced Tuesday that she is suspending her presidential campaign, citing a lack of financial resources. “I’ve taken stock and looked at this from every angle, and over the last few days have come to one of the hardest decisions of my life,” Harris wrote in a...

rollcall.com

She was polling at 3% nationally

6. She wasn’t even in the top tier on her home state

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/kamala-harris-california-presidential-poll-2020/index.html

Why Harris?

 

[Cortez88]

You act as if people don't choose their political candidate because of what the other option is. Do you think people were so in love with Biden in 2020 and that's why they chose him? No, they chose him because they didn't want 4 more years of Trump.

It's about who they will/won't appoint to the SC and other things.

I don't love Kamala Harris. Not going to fly flags, wear hats, shirts or paint a bus to worship her. But I'll fill in that box with my pen/pencil in November because she isn't MAGA. Lots of other people feel the same way...they were looking for a viable, cognitive option to vote for instead of Trump. That's the only box she needs to check with a lot of people.

This is obviously correct. That’s why this whole Trump thing is so weird. These MAGA folks are not simply supporters of conservative policies. They are Trump super fans. They can’t fathom how you could vote for person you do not LOVE!!!

 

[Spartans9312]

At some point, she needs to lay out her policies and goals. What will she do about immigration, what will she do about the economy, what will she do about Ukraine and the Middle East? She has a history of being more of a protectionist than Biden, she voted against the US-Canda-Mexico Trade Agreement. What does that mean for her policies going forward?

I cannot answer what I think of her until I know what she wants to do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/world/americas/kamala-harris-guatemala.html

Here’s her immigration stance. Oh right…she has a history of not even knowing what her own stance is….same thing she did with healthcare. Which Bernie rightly called her out on.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I live in the low rent district Boynton lol. I actually was neighbors to the 911 high jackers and probably ate dinner a few times with them. Unbeknownst to me. They stayed at hotel less than a mile from me.

Excellent!! Yeah 911 was nutty. I was living in west palm. We kept getting bomb threats for months thereafter.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

This is obviously correct. That’s why this whole Trump thing is so weird. These MAGA folks are not simply supporters of conservative policies. They are Trump super fans. They can’t fathom how you could vote for person you do not LOVE!!!

And yet 14 million voted for Biden in the Democrat Primaries. Many have already sworn allegiance to Harris with no idea what her policies or beliefs are. Many just know she is not white and not a man. You don't consider this a cult?

 

[cosmickid]

91 Million reasons…. The reported amount in Biden’s campaign fund, that can go only to Harris.

They could donate it to a PAC and redistribute it that way, but that's messy and unnecessary. They likely don't have to scrub too much of the media they had created, and the camapign infrastructure is already in place.People who volunteered and staff at campaign offices already had been involved knowing Kamala would be on the ticket they were working for and was a heartbeat away from the Presidency. They would likely support a ticket deplete of both Biden/Harris, but their might have been turnover if someone completely new was placed on the ticket...

The Dems have the structure in place to win, they just suffered from an enthusiasm gap that imo Harris completely eliminates. Over $100,000,000 in small denomination contributions and 60,000 volunteers coming aboard in 24 hrs is testament to the renewed vigor and enthusiasm.

My biggest concern was Biden's inability to rally and actually motivate Dem consituency voters to actually get out and vote, esp minority and young voters. Harris has the ability to prosecute the case vs Trump/Vance on issues the Dem base embraces and have resulted in Dems outperforming the polls and basically dominating nearly every special election/referendum in the past 2 yrs. There is a reason that the MAGA positions have been losers in basically every Blue/purple state's electrion post 2016. Turnout is the key...

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

Excellent!! Yeah 911 was nutty. I was living in west palm. We kept getting bomb threats for months thereafter.

It was surreal seeing the FBI raiding the Homing Inn post 911 a very non descript hotel and then hearing of all the details. They got flying lessons at the Lantana Airport. It was not unusual for national and international news to be in Palm Beach County but it was for them to be in Boyton

 

[Cortez88]

And yet 14 million voted for Biden in the Democrat Primaries. Many have already sworn allegiance to Harris with no idea what her policies or beliefs are. Many just know she is not white and not a man. You don't consider this a cult?

There are Ds that will vote for the D nominee. Do you honestly believe there was some Biden hive that was anywhere in the realm of the Trump adoration?

Edit: You do see how your response supports my point, right?

 

[mcmurtry66]

It was surreal seeing the FBI raiding the Homing Inn post 911 a very non descript hotel and then hearing of all the details. They got flying lessons at the Lantana Airport. It was not unusual for national and international news to be in Palm Beach County but it was for them to be in Boyton

Every Dunkin’ Donuts had an American flag in the window by 10 am 🤣🤣🤣. It was crazy our firm represented the bin laden family so we had agents there at the office for weeks

 

[outside shooter]

It was crazy our firm represented the bin laden family so we had agents there at the office for weeks

That's just bizarre, to call a McDonald's drive-thru a "firm"

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Going with the whole Brown-Harris thing for a moment. First, no one here KNOWS if they had affection for each other or not—just guesswork.

Second, he appointed her to the California Medical Assistance Commission. Clearly, everyone appointed to that Commission becomes President, I can see why everyone thinks that was a huge event. There is no more sought-after job in America, every one of us would quit our jobs and move to California to take that one.

So let's look at their age difference. Has anyone looked a the age difference between the Trumps? I hate mentioning Trump because I REALLY do not care who he sleeps with as long as they are of age, and it is consensual. Now I know the thought, he isn't using her for gain. Hold that thought. Trump first and foremost believes his image if of utmost importance, somewhere well above God and country. Having a beautiful younger woman on his arm plays to that image 100%. So yes, one COULD say that he uses her for his advancement.

But we don't have a problem with that. And the reason is spelled m i s o g y n y.

Again, I don't care about Trump and Melania, I only bring it up to show the disconnect between their age difference and that of Brown-Harris.

In other words, you are using Trump's actions and behavior to try and justify Kamala's. And don't give me that shit about nobody knows what their affection was - he was >60 while she was <30. It certainly wasn't his old balls. We've literally seen this movie before...

Trying to legitimize anything other than what it is is stupid.

So Melania and Kamala both slept their way into their current position. Congrats ladies, taking the Bravo approach!

 

[Spartans9312]

They could donate it to a PAC and redistribute it that way, but that's messy and unnecessary. They likely don't have to scrub too much of the media they had created, and the camapign infrastructure is already in place.People who volunteered and staff at campaign offices already had been involved knowing Kamala would be on the ticket they were working for and was a heartbeat away from the Presidency. They would likely support a ticket deplete of both Biden/Harris, but their might have been turnover if someone completely new was placed on the ticket...

The Dems have the structure in place to win, they just suffered from an enthusiasm gap that imo Harris completely eliminates. Over $100,000,000 in small denomination contributions and 60,000 volunteers coming aboard in 24 hrs is testament to the renewed vigor and enthusiasm.

My biggest concern was Biden's inability to rally and actually motivate Dem consituency voters to actually get out and vote, esp minority and young voters. Harris has the ability to prosecute the case vs Trump/Vance on issues the Dem base embraces and have resulted in Dems outperforming the polls and basically dominating nearly every special election/referendum in the past 2 yrs. There is a reason that the MAGA positions have been losers in basically every Blue/purple state's electrion post 2016. Turnout is the key...

What does she stand for? She’s a terrible candidate for the Democratic Party. She’s an easy target for the pubs…

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/biden-drops-out-election-2024/card/some-republicans-says-biden-should-step-down-as-president-now-AN50U2Dr6GTQLup9OJIG

One example “California socialism”

She has a terrible lack of consistency (before you get started…Trump does as well)

She’s an easy target.

Why Harris?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

In other words, you are using Trump's actions and behavior to try and justify Kamala's. And don't give me that shit about nobody knows what their affection was - he was >60 while she was <30. It certainly wasn't his old balls. We've literally seen this movie before...

Trying to legitimize anything other than what it is is stupid.

So Melania and Kamala both slept their way into their current position. Congrats ladies, taking the Bravo approach!

I am saying Trump did, having a beautiful woman by his side IS his whole schtick. It identifies the Trump Brand. He slept his way to that brand image.

 

[mcmurtry66]

That's just bizarre, to call a McDonald's drive-thru a "firm"

Yup. The drive thru right there in the Esperante bldg

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

1. Is she for Medicare for All? She doesn’t seem to commit to policy positions. This is one example

2. How do you feel about her record as a prosecutor? She struggled to defend her past actions

3. She has a history of poor treatment of her staff

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6541-mehlenbacher-harris-resignation-letter/f0475e62906e5d2056f8/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

4. She was considered a top tier candidate previously…what happened? It couldn’t be that she is also an authoritarian with regards to public policy.

5. Previously she dropped out 2 months before the Iowa caucuses. Why?

Kamala Harris drops out of 2020 presidential race - Roll Call

California Sen. Kamala Harris announced Tuesday that she is suspending her presidential campaign, citing a lack of financial resources. “I’ve taken stock and looked at this from every angle, and over the last few days have come to one of the hardest decisions of my life,” Harris wrote in a...

rollcall.com

She was polling at 3% nationally

6. She wasn’t even in the top tier on her home state

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/kamala-harris-california-presidential-poll-2020/index.html

Why Harris?

I think you must have a reading comprehension problem

 

[Spartans9312]

I think you must have a reading comprehension problem

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/kamala-harris-favorability-poll-00162093

She’s unpopular. Why? No ideology? Just ambition?

That has to be a liability.

As a Democrat…how do you defend her record as a prosecutor?

Why Harris?

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/kamala-harris-favorability-poll-00162093

She’s unpopular. Why? No ideology? Just ambition?

That has to be a liability.

As a Democrat…how do you defend her record as a prosecutor?

Why Harris?

Ok, you DEFINITELY have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

Found the candidate we need. Love his philosophy LOL

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Why Harris?

Because she's running and others aren't? There are only so many choices. No way on West, I'm also no way on Green. I'm not a Libertarian. I don't like the guy whose brain was consumed by a worm. I REALLY don't like the other guy. So she has an awfully low bar to clear.

She doesn't have to be better than candidates I would really want to be running. It's that easy. I was prepared to vote Libertarian when it was Biden. I may vote her or may vote Libertarian depending on how she does, I don't know. But no way she would be my first choice, if God came to me and said I had the power to name the next President it may well be Shapiro, Beshear, or Polis. But they aren't running (unless as her veep).

 

[Spartans9312]

Because she's running and others aren't? There are only so many choices. No way on West, I'm also no way on Green. I'm not a Libertarian. I don't like the guy whose brain was consumed by a worm. I REALLY don't like the other guy. So she has an awfully low bar to clear.

She doesn't have to be better than candidates I would really want to be running. It's that easy. I was prepared to vote Libertarian when it was Biden. I may vote her or may vote Libertarian depending on how she does, I don't know. But no way she would be my first choice, if God came to me and said I had the power to name the next President it may well be Shapiro, Beshear, or Polis. But they aren't running (unless as her veep).

I’m 99% sure I’m not voting for anyone in the presidential race.

I get that you want to cast a vote…but why vote for a bad candidate? We keep going along as the major parties nominate poor individuals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

She’s unpopular among the leftists. She’s not going to galvanize the progressive radicals. She doesn’t speak to the civil libertarians. She doesn’t speak to those wanting criminal justice reform.

Why nominate Harris?

 

[ulrey]

How did we get to where she’s a fvcking candidate for president?

 

[IU_Hickory]

What does she stand for? She’s a terrible candidate for the Democratic Party. She’s an easy target for the pubs…

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/biden-drops-out-election-2024/card/some-republicans-says-biden-should-step-down-as-president-now-AN50U2Dr6GTQLup9OJIG

One example “California socialism”

She has a terrible lack of consistency (before you get started…Trump does as well)

She’s an easy target.

Why Harris?

Because she is not trump. For a lot of people it is very important to make sure Trump doesn't get back into the white house.

And many people don't think she is as bad as you are claiming.

 

[Harry Hondo]

I’m 99% sure I’m not voting for anyone in the presidential race.

I get that you want to cast a vote…but why vote for a bad candidate? We keep going along as the major parties nominate poor individuals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

She’s unpopular among the leftists. She’s not going to galvanize the progressive radicals. She doesn’t speak to the civil libertarians. She doesn’t speak to those wanting criminal justice reform.

Why nominate Harris?

Because she's much better than the alternative. Do you really think progressives will let Trump win? They'll come around.

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

How did we get to where she’s a fvcking candidate for president?

 

[dbmhoosier]

@mcmurtry66 🤩

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I’m 99% sure I’m not voting for anyone in the presidential race.

I get that you want to cast a vote…but why vote for a bad candidate? We keep going along as the major parties nominate poor individuals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

She’s unpopular among the leftists. She’s not going to galvanize the progressive radicals. She doesn’t speak to the civil libertarians. She doesn’t speak to those wanting criminal justice reform.

Why nominate Harris?

The answer is politics. Believe me, until the GOP went MAGA I believed and frequently said the Democratic Party was the most inept organization in the world. But then the Republicans went all "hold my beer".

The D party decided as an apparatus that a fight this late in the season would guarantee their loss. So they went with the candidate with the job deemed "next in line". No one wanted individually to step in because no one wanted "you caused us to lose" to follow them into 2028. I have no doubt Newsom and others want her to lose, at least to an extent, as her winning screws with everyone's timetable. But they cannot be seen as causing it.

So no one wanted to be the one to stick their neck out.

I hear what you are saying, but I don't want others to identify her for me. What she says and does over the next few months will determine if I vote for her or Libertarian. She gets the opportunity to identify herself. Will she admit to some past mistakes? What would she do different than Biden? What the same?

 

[IUNorth]

And yet 14 million voted for Biden in the Democrat Primaries. Many have already sworn allegiance to Harris with no idea what her policies or beliefs are. Many just know she is not white and not a man. You don't consider this a cult?

Too many people, on BOTH sides of this, are digging way too deeply right now.

Trump versus Biden was awful...The debate showed that. Only each candidates most dug in, and ardent supporters, would disagree that the choice was an awful one.

Now it isn't Trump versus Biden any more...so there are a lot of people that have renewed excitement...on BOTH sides.

I know Trump, and most of his supporters, probably don't think this way. But now having someone more capable, in Harris, will force everyone to up their game, actually think about and communicate policy positions, actually try to appeal to voters outside their own tent, etc... The process will make both of them better, or it should, and it'll put "us" all in a better place moving forward. I think Trump is now going to have to actually lay out some visions and contrasts for policy positions, to beat Harris. And Harris is for sure going to have to do that to be competitive with Trump.

The next 3 months were going to be depressing, embarrassing, and for millions of people, pretty ominous when it was gonna be Trump v Biden. Now we have a real race to pay attention to. That's exciting.

 

[IUNorth]

How did we get to where she’s a fvcking candidate for president?

Not sure...but the conditions that led to Trump being a candidate, and ultimately winning...are probably a part of it.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

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So we are going to delay the November election until all states can hold primaries again? I love the idea. Let's hold off our next election until 2028 so the people can decide on the Democratic candidate. Thanks for the winning idea.

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

So we are going to delay the November election until all states can hold primaries again? I love the idea. Let's hold off our next election until 2028 so the people can decide on the Democratic candidate. Thanks for the winning idea.

I'm sure it bothers you Marv that you didn't get a chance to let your voice be heard or at least go through the process.

If this happened to Trump, say in 2020 and we were stuck with Pence I would have been furious.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I'm sure it bothers you Marv that you didn't get a chance to let your voice be heard or at least go through the process.

If this happened to Trump, say in 2020 and we were stuck with Pence I would have been furious.

What alternatives are there? Seriously. What alternative could possibly allow me to vote for someone.

 

[Spartans9312]

Because she's much better than the alternative. Do you really think progressives will let Trump win? They'll come around.

If they really believe what they say…then they will stay home.

Her history as an AG should be enough.

California Prosecutor Falsifies Transcript of Confession

Prosecutors are still licensed to lie and it’s high time to revoke those licenses.

observer.com

She defended dirty prosecutors.

She thinks she can sidestep the constitution when it comes gun control….Biden called her out in their debate.

She’s a horrible candidate and the Democrats wasted a good opportunity

 

[DDE-6-20-23]

What alternatives are there? Seriously. What alternative could possibly allow me to vote for someone.

Not sure, but I would sure like someone else besides her on the ticket. I would have loved to hear from others that would and could have had a shot. I seriously doubt she would have performed well in any debate with any alternatives.

 

[IUNorth]

Not sure, but I would sure like someone else besides her on the ticket. I would have loved to hear from others that would and could have had a shot. I seriously doubt she would have performed well in any debate with any alternatives.

I'm not sure you're being genuine on this...but I whole heartedly agree with you if you are.

I'll go as far as to say if Shapiro were at the top of the ticket, instead of Harris, I don't think Trump would have had much of a chance to win.

I believe Trump, and his supporters, mostly know that true to Democrats recent form, Harris is one of the few realistic candidates that could have replaced Biden, that Trump is likely to still beat. But sounding happy or excited about that isn't an option. And he/they/you are still pouting because the "easy win" is now gone. If Shapiro, or Kelly, or Beshear had quickly been backed and propped up, you'd all be screaming much more loudly about why Harris was "passed up".

I also think Harris presence touches some nerves that many MAGA supporters would prefer not be touched...some of them will be very open about those nerves though. And I'm sure that worries the more saavy GOP voters and Trump supporters.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Not sure, but I would sure like someone else besides her on the ticket. I would have loved to hear from others that would and could have had a shot. I seriously doubt she would have performed well in any debate with any alternatives.

I would have loved to have seen an open convention and multiple candidates. But as I said above, no one wanted to take the blame if Harris then lost the general. Nor were they necessarily ready themselves to run this year as a loss by themselves would tarnish them.

The group that votes in the highest percentage for Democrats are Black women. It would be pretty hard for a White male to beat Harris and then count on their support.

I wish someone had run, but I also know the risks they faced. The way to become a convention delegate is to convince people you are personally loyal to the candidate you are there to vote for. People personally loyal to Biden were going to take his endorsement more seriously than it deserves.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

It'd be a step down for him but he'd kill it.

I'll follow up on this: it's too bad we don't have a tradition in this country where every president appoints a past president to some cabinet post, to keep continuity in our government and provide presidents easy access to people who've already done the job and know the stresses, might give some pointers, etc.

The pool of past presidents is not that large. Why would Trump want Obama or Clinton in his cabinet, with loyalists who might undermine him.

Why would Obama want Bush given the circumstances surrounding the end of the Bush administration.

 

[dbmhoosier]

I'm not sure you're being genuine on this...but I whole heartedly agree with you if you are.

I'll go as far as to say if Shapiro were at the top of the ticket, instead of Harris, I don't think Trump would have had much of a chance to win.

I believe Trump, and his supporters, mostly know that true to Democrats recent form, Harris is one of the few realistic candidates that could have replaced Biden, that Trump is likely to still beat. But sounding happy or excited about that isn't an option. And he/they/you are still pouting because the "easy win" is now gone. If Shapiro, or Kelly, or Beshear had quickly been backed and propped up, you'd all be screaming much more loudly about why Harris was "passed up".

I also think Harris presence touches some nerves that many MAGA supporters would prefer not be touched...some of them will be very open about those nerves though. And I'm sure that worries the more saavy GOP voters and Trump supporters.

Shapiro and Kelly can't even win their own states against Trump when placed at the top of the ticket. You people are delusional.

 

[IU_Hickory]

@mcmurtry66 🤩

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That would be great. 4 years of hearing how mcm doesn't understand how fmla works

 

[SqueakyClean]

Too many people, on BOTH sides of this, are digging way too deeply right now.

Trump versus Biden was awful...The debate showed that. Only each candidates most dug in, and ardent supporters, would disagree that the choice was an awful one.

Now it isn't Trump versus Biden any more...so there are a lot of people that have renewed excitement...on BOTH sides.

I know Trump, and most of his supporters, probably don't think this way. But now having someone more capable, in Harris, will force everyone to up their game, actually think about and communicate policy positions, actually try to appeal to voters outside their own tent, etc... The process will make both of them better, or it should, and it'll put "us" all in a better place moving forward. I think Trump is now going to have to actually lay out some visions and contrasts for policy positions, to beat Harris. And Harris is for sure going to have to do that to be competitive with Trump.

The next 3 months were going to be depressing, embarrassing, and for millions of people, pretty ominous when it was gonna be Trump v Biden. Now we have a real race to pay attention to. That's exciting.

This is where I'm at also.
It's actually kinda funny. The Trump faithful have been spending the last seven years shouting from the highest rooftops how Biden was:

Too old / senile
Manipulating the DOJ into making frivolous litigations against Trump
Accepting money from China for influence
Getting Shorkin (Ukraine) fired because he was investigating Burisma / Hunter
An obvious pedophile who liked sniffing girls
Just as bad as Trump because he too had classified documents in his garage
Manipulating the DOJ into not prosecuting Hunter for his tax / gun charges

And in one weekend, poof, pretty much all of that just went away because Biden is now no longer a threat to Trump. All of the equivalencies / false equivalences that they were using to justify that Trump was not a crappy candidate because Biden was worse are toast, and those deficiencies are now squarely back on Trump alone.

While they certainly have the Willie Brown "scandal" as a talking point (and they have certainly embraced it immediately), Harris doesn't have nearly the baggage that Biden does (did), mostly just due to Biden having been in politics twice as long as Harris, so he has more potential skeletons to pick at.

They are actually going to have to go after her on actual policy decisions instead of weird conspiracy theories. That might actually be kinda refreshing.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

Too many people, on BOTH sides of this, are digging way too deeply right now.

Trump versus Biden was awful...The debate showed that. Only each candidates most dug in, and ardent supporters, would disagree that the choice was an awful one.

Now it isn't Trump versus Biden any more...so there are a lot of people that have renewed excitement...on BOTH sides.

I know Trump, and most of his supporters, probably don't think this way. But now having someone more capable, in Harris, will force everyone to up their game, actually think about and communicate policy positions, actually try to appeal to voters outside their own tent, etc... The process will make both of them better, or it should, and it'll put "us" all in a better place moving forward. I think Trump is now going to have to actually lay out some visions and contrasts for policy positions, to beat Harris. And Harris is for sure going to have to do that to be competitive with Trump.

The next 3 months were going to be depressing, embarrassing, and for millions of people, pretty ominous when it was gonna be Trump v Biden. Now we have a real race to pay attention to. That's exciting.

I agree with you to an extent. At least with Harris you have a person who has cognitive issues and I am not trying to take a shot at Biden. However there was one person with lesser favorability numbers than Trump and Biden. You are right it seems like black women might suddenly be energized. There does seem to be many black males not willing to go back to Democrats. I am also not sure how many Hispanics are turning back. So it looks like if Harris can get young voters who she said were dumb to get excited and then win back independants then we have a race for sure.