My Dad used to say that it was the fans fault the Cubs weren't very good. He said, "son, they put 2 million people in those seats a year even if they only win 60 games".
IU is no longer an elite basketball school. Change my mind.
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No, we are not an elite basketball school, duh. We can't even make the tournament.
Two freshmen in your backcourt breeds inconsistency. Look at the last 2 recruiting classes (Archie's only ones 19+20) and try to convince me other schools who aren't elite get that many 4 and 5 star kids. This team was very young and very beat up. If you couldn't see strides being made once the roster was relatively healthy, you weren't watching. This effects things like practice (not enough bodies to play 5 on 5 and not able to play best against best), fatigue, new injuries, confidence, rhythm, and the simple fact you are doing without players you counted on being there. Do people really forget how much of a rebuild this has been? Its beyond ridiculous to expect a coach to turn around a program before his 2nd recruiting class is even on campus. Why are our fans getting to be so stupid.
The administration is capitalizing on the loyalty and gullibility of the IU fanbase- taking its money but offering nothing in return.
Of course just making the tournament doesn't make us elite either. You have to get to final fours. Time will show whether we can get back there or not. I believe in patience, but eventually patience runs out.
The latest mind boggling stat to me is havent won 2 games in a big ten tournament in SIXTEEN
YEARS!
YEARS!
Then we would be on a level playing field with Duke, Carolina, Kentucky and Kansas
We will be a basketball school as long as we have an educated fan base and stellar support from the fans. Calling for Archie to be replaced before his first recruiting class has finished one season shows a decrease in support caused from an increasingly uneducated sector of our fan base.
Glass says he fired Crean because we were not able to compete at a championship level. It took us a long time to reach the depths of where Tom Crean left the program. It will take more than a single class or one 5 star to correct 17 years of decline.
The will of the fans, and the AD if we can trust him, is there to return to national success. I just wish those that are running down the program would wait until there is a reason to moan, or jump to another bandwagon.
Root for PU or UK, i don't care. Just get out of the way. You can come back in 2 years when we have seen the results of Archie's influence.
Heck, if Sampson wouldn’t have messed up (or IU just kept their mouth shut, depending on how you look at it), then they’d likely have another banner or two to hang in AH.
Got money next year every network that carries us say's..
We have one of the blue bloods tonight ..
Hell UK isn't even getting Kentucky's Mr.basketball.
He's going to Xavier..
We have one of the blue bloods tonight ..
Hell UK isn't even getting Kentucky's Mr.basketball.
He's going to Xavier..
We may as well forfeit and I have said that for years. We are about the most worthless team in BTT history.
Worst record next to Northwestern all time.
Ohio State 27–15[note 2] .643 4 4
Michigan State 30–16 .652 5 1
Illinois 28–19 .596 2 4
Wisconsin 24–18 .571 3 4
Michigan 22–17[note 1] .564 2 1
Iowa 16–19 .457 2 1
Rutgers 3–5 .375 0 0
Minnesota 15–19[note 3] .441 0 1
Purdue 14–20 .412 1 3
Penn State 14–22 .389 0 1
Indiana 12–22 .353 0 1
Maryland 2–5 .286 0 0
Nebraska 5–7 .417 0 0
Northwestern 9–22 .290 0 0
yup, at least before we find someone like Coach Knight. Miller is not the guy. I think we all see that.
Do you really believe that Surfboard Fred can find "the guy".
nope, that's why it will take a very long time for us to ever come back... maybe never....
Why should fans trust an AD who hired and wanted to keep Crean? Freddy is not to be trusted. Trust is earned.
Not sure about that. The number of fans who increasingly don't care as much is growing. Many of us no longer believe IU is an elite program.
Sad times...seems like Administration doesn't want basketball to overshadow university ever again
Historically, yes IU most certainly is. Currently though I would say we really are not and haven't been (with a few brief exceptions over the last 20 years or so). The fans are still there (among the most passionate in the country) and no fan base deserves success more. However, after years of ignorant hires coupled with the deemphasis of sports, we're stuck in mediocrity. The jury is still out on Miler but I am not at all impressed so far. I think we need an elite coach to get us back there and Fred likely won't be the guy to get us there.
Right but the absolutely retarded buyout extension that Glass gave Crean was pure insanity
I do not know the posters here, but you are very close to getting this right with that post. The puppeteers behind the curtain have their very own club. They call the shots. You never see their names. Bob Knight was more powerful than they were. They hated him for that and they also were snowflakes, knowing virtually nothing about coaching or intellectual brilliance in coaching but they hated him for his public demeanor and the absence of his willingness to bow to them so they wanted a reason to get rid of him. At that time, the largest contributor to the university was a little lady in her 80s who barely knew there was an IU basketball team.
In any event, the happenings quite a few years before RMK was fired and, though perhaps to a lesser degree, to this day, turn on the public face of the university and the mystery people behind the scenes being unable or unwilling to support anything that might offend the sensibilities of the invisible leadership cloistered in the curtained parlors of the deepest recesses of the university. RMK was on the verge of reinventing the game and they had to find a reason to take him out or he was going to reclaim the power they so hated and hate today (though some of the names have changed).
The current operation is controlled by a group of timid insiders (timid about having anything embarass them or IU) who clap one another on the back in congratulations for the wonder that is IU and will make darned sure that the power never again escapes them. They want very good teams. They want to have some bragging rights, but they do not want the program to be more powerful than their group is. They sure do not have the personal makeup to abide a personality like Bob Knight. Remember, they brought RMK in from Army to establish discipline in a program that was on the precipice of NCAA punishment for the alumni shenanigans that had been going on for a while - think paying recruits and $100 handshakes in the locker room. Knight came in and threw those people out and kept them away from the program. They also hated that. They didn't know f he could coach. Army wasn't much. But they knew he'd get the NCAA off their back.
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There is no such person to be found today. At least I can't think of any coach remotely like him, can you? In the politically correct environment of 2019?
I can’t believe Archie did not take any raging technicals this year! More pressure from administration? Possibly. How could u not lose your mind at least once.
It won't take that long …. they're mindful of the brand name too, merchandising, etc.
How many 16-17 year old kids (when you begin recruiting them) care or even know of RMK's legacy here and what was a great and feared program? Sure 5 banners, the first one 80 years ago.
Yep Davis would have done fine at IU that was really stupid, plus he’s a freaking great Christian dude.
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