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I was going to add something positive to this thread too. Went to my old school last night for a holiday even for students, teachers and alums. Each village was decorated with a theme like Elf, Polar Express, etc. Kids weren’t on decorations during art class. Teachers worked on most of the decorations after school or weekends and also spent their own money. Games, selfie stations, cookies and hot chocolate… Had to have been hours of work. Also collected money for Boys and Girls Club. It looked amazing and had a big crowd with lots of smiles. This is the norm, not the exception.
 

I am going to go the more bleak route. Some of this is probably hyperbole, but I think there are some truisms here as well. We are collectively failing our kids.
 
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I am going to go the more bleak route. Some of this is probably hyperbole, but I think there are some truisms here as well. We are collectively failing our kids.
When have you not gone negative? Is there a single positive you have posted in this entire thread? If so. I sure missed it.
 

I am going to go the more bleak route. Some of this is probably hyperbole, but I think there are some truisms here as well. We are collectively failing our kids.
I hear the same stories at our local public high school as contained in that story. Only we have it worse since mine is on the cutting edge of equity and progressive teaching. Reading stuff like this makes me feel hopeless but a little less sick in my stomach that I screwed up picking school districts. At least I know that a lot of others are suffering through the same thing.
 
Me, you, everyone on this board, and 99.9% of human beings.

You don't need a supernatural being to explain the rules of being a human anymore than you need a supernatural being to explain the rules of tic-tac-toe or basketball. You need common acceptance by a group of people. That's it.
You say this because you live in a country that was founded on Christian principles. Just go to places where Christianity is not known well and you will see that people have different rules that would shock your American senses. Morality always comes from some place. If you don't have the teachings of Scripture then you find that loving your spouse and even your enemies is not so common in the world.
 
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You say this because you live in a country that was founded on Christian principles. Just go to places where Christianity is not known well and you will see that people have different rules that would shock your American senses. Morality always comes from some place. If you don't have the teachings of Scripture then you find that loving your spouse and even your enemies is not so common in the world.
China and India are not countries founded on Christian principles. They do have different rules, but I could easily express the truth that morality does not require the existence of a supernatural creature in those nations and not be punished for it. Similarly, people who were born and raised in those non-Christian cultures reach the same conclusion.

I just ordered Tom Holland's Dominion, a book where he argues that the West's values are fundamentally Christian and (I'm guessing) that we wouldn't have a lot of our secular liberal values without Christianity's teachings. I'm open to analyzing that argument and learning more about it.

Regarding where morality comes from, I am a naturalist.
 
I get the story problem issue, it shows conservatives more often equate black with bad than liberals do. That does touch on politics. So it probably oversteps a line in a way that comparing fictional groups may not.

But that doesn't mean we adults cannot wonder why conservatives more often attribute negative words to Black.
I have heard democrats in my town use words against the blacks moving here with words they shouldn't use. It's not conservatives Marvin but alt right not conservatives.
 
I have heard democrats in my town use words against the blacks moving here with words they shouldn't use. It's not conservatives Marvin but alt right not conservatives.
We can have a long debate if alt right are conservatives. I probably agree they are not. But ask the alt right and they will tell you they are the conservatives.
 
China and India are not countries founded on Christian principles. They do have different rules, but I could easily express the truth that morality does not require the existence of a supernatural creature in those nations and not be punished for it. Similarly, people who were born and raised in those non-Christian cultures reach the same conclusion.

I just ordered Tom Holland's Dominion, a book where he argues that the West's values are fundamentally Christian and (I'm guessing) that we wouldn't have a lot of our secular liberal values without Christianity's teachings. I'm open to analyzing that argument and learning more about it.

Regarding where morality comes from, I am a naturalist.
You're one of my favorite posters on the board, but are you seriously equating Chinese and Indian morality to that of the US?

I mean, I know morality can be relative to whatever your society you live in, but are you saying they're morally comparable to western - Christian - societies?
 
China and India are not countries founded on Christian principles. They do have different rules, but I could easily express the truth that morality does not require the existence of a supernatural creature in those nations and not be punished for it. Similarly, people who were born and raised in those non-Christian cultures reach the same conclusion.

I just ordered Tom Holland's Dominion, a book where he argues that the West's values are fundamentally Christian and (I'm guessing) that we wouldn't have a lot of our secular liberal values without Christianity's teachings. I'm open to analyzing that argument and learning more about it.

Regarding where morality comes from, I am a naturalist.
There are actually a lot of Christians in China (they do not have a huge impact on the society because of the stranglehold of communism). I am not sure about India. Let me ask you a question. If some state here forced people into their homes and welded people into their apartment buildings would this be right? It is what has happened in China. One of the apartment buildings caught on fire and people died. It is why several weeks ago they had an uprising. See, we would not have that happen in the west because we believe as a culture that people are made in the image of God and should not be treated this way. In an atheistic country it is not so.
 
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When have you not gone negative? Is there a single positive you have posted in this entire thread? If so. I sure missed it.
The point of this thread was kind of negative. I have posted personal anecdotes about the teachers in my kids' lives that we have been more than happy with. The good have far outweighed the bad, I want to keep it that way.
 
You say this because you live in a country that was founded on Christian principles. Just go to places where Christianity is not known well and you will see that people have different rules that would shock your American senses. Morality always comes from some place. If you don't have the teachings of Scripture then you find that loving your spouse and even your enemies is not so common in the world.
Preach it!! Without scripture the next thing you know they’re texting an ex after a high school reunion!!
 
Preach it!! Without scripture the next thing you know they’re texting an ex after a high school reunion!!
Hm. I know you’re the hip, secular, semi-conservative divorcee around these parts. But you would do well not to fall in with the crowd that mocks and belittles Judeo-Christian religion and its teachings.

It is quite literally part of the basis of western society.
 
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Hm. I know you’re the hip, secular, semi-conservative divorcee around these parts. But you would do well not to fall in with the crowd that mocks and belittles Judeo-Christian religion and its teachings.

It is quite literally part of the basis of western society.
Noted. Thank you. I’m weak and could easily fall in with the wrong crowd
 
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Do you have an alert that’s set every time there is a negative article about teachers?
Nope, that was just one that popped out. If I was going looking for them I think I could do a post a day.

Would you not agree that about 2% of the teaching workforce in Chicago being involved in stuff like that would be a bad thing?
 
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Nope, that was just one that popped out. If I was going looking for them I think I could do a post a day.

Would you not agree that about 2% of the teaching workforce in Chicago being involved in stuff like that would be a bad thing?
No, I don't think she thinks that's a bad thing. I mean, what was her first reaction? To criticize you, the messenger.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64200873.amp. After she was shot, still trying to save her students.
Glad she is doing better and I believe that if the child got the gun from his parents that the parents should face legal consequences.

See how easy that is? We even have an entire thread about this incident where my first inclination was to, checks notes, say that the parents should be charged. Your first inclination was to get mad that I shared a story which paints SOME teachers in Chicago in a bad light. There is a problem there. You open another door to those types of people: hetero, homo, or other to having the types of conversations that lead to this when you insert sex of any kind at too young an age and when you have teachers having non clinical discussions about sex at high school levels.

Finally, there are tons of teachers across the country who like their kids and would go out of their way for them as are there tons who are really just there to collect a check because they don't know where else to go. There are great people and there are ones who would do the types of things listed in the article. There also exists levels in between. If teachers are doing something that parents don't like or something that is just verifiably wrong (like in this article) it is OK to criticize. Everyone gets criticized at work at some point or another.

You don't have to be the good cop covering for the bad cops.
 
Nope, that was just one that popped out. If I was going looking for them I think I could do a post a day.

Would you not agree that about 2% of the teaching workforce in Chicago being involved in stuff like that would be a bad thing?
Of course it’s a bad thing. I don’t understand why you feel the need to post everything negative you see about teaching. So when you do, I feel the need to post positives. Like how teachers put their lives on the line for children. Or how teachers spend so much of their own time and money on their children. Probably 98% of them. But you choose to focus on the 2%z
 
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