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How do you deal with Islam?

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Without pouring through the thread, the answer is to treat Islam like any other group or movement, religion, culture, group. If we treat all Islam as the enemy, we will make all Islam the enemy. That isn't good for anyone.
 
This deserves its own thread. This is why every f*cking left wearing dipsh!t on this board needs to stfu. This admin does THE most stupid sh!t on a daily basis in the history of stupid sh!t. Yup this happened...Look it up.



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Totally being handled the same way as it always has been donchyaknow....

Obama/Biden didn't greenlight Iran, but they sure as hell aren't making things uncomfortable for them as they go about shooting at our people and attacking our allies in the region. "Hey. I know you have attacked us 50+ times since 10/7 when your trained goons went on a 7th century murder spree, but will another $10 billion convince you to play nice?" That is $16 billion freed up for these assholes in a month in which they have been shooting at us for the entirety of said month.

OBAMA/BIDEN HAVE NOT AND ARE NOT HANDLING IRAN THE SAME AS OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS SINCE 1979.

Weak and feckless. Both of them.
 


Totally being handled the same way as it always has been donchyaknow....

Obama/Biden didn't greenlight Iran, but they sure as hell aren't making things uncomfortable for them as they go about shooting at our people and attacking our allies in the region. "Hey. I know you have attacked us 50+ times since 10/7 when your trained goons went on a 7th century murder spree, but will another $10 billion convince you to play nice?" That is $16 billion freed up for these assholes in a month in which they have been shooting at us for the entirety of said month.

OBAMA/BIDEN HAVE NOT AND ARE NOT HANDLING IRAN THE SAME AS OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS SINCE 1979.

Weak and feckless. Both of them.
Most don't even know about all the times we attacked an "ENEMY" during the obama years and "accidentally" left behind all the weapons and goodies for the enemy to grab and prosper on purpose. The Clinton foundation...Jeeeeeeeeeeezuz you wanna talk about corrupt? This board is clueless. When they throw out a WORD like they did yesterday I just laugh and throw my arms up in the air. The msm has full blown torched this country.
 
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in the land of a million massacres, your "facts" list includes only 10 anti-jewish attacks? jeebus, there have been many more than that. you're learning history from Gen Zers on TicToc. why?

we get it, you think Islam is a religion of violence. you have tweets as proof. cool. you ignore geography or that the British Empire/ colonialism left hot spots of violence all over the world, not just the ME. or that huge Muslims nations like Indonesia seem immune to your thesis. but this is YOUR cause, so run with it. a billion violent muslims out to get us. I'll keep a closer eye on my Bosnian neighbors. we were formerly very friendly but I'm having second thoughts after watching all your tic tocs...
 
in the land of a million massacres, your "facts" list includes only 10 anti-jewish attacks? jeebus, there have been many more than that. you're learning history from Gen Zers on TicToc. why?

we get it, you think Islam is a religion of violence. you have tweets as proof. cool. you ignore geography or that the British Empire/ colonialism left hot spots of violence all over the world, not just the ME. or that huge Muslims nations like Indonesia seem immune to your thesis. but this is YOUR cause, so run with it. a billion violent muslims out to get us. I'll keep a closer eye on my Bosnian neighbors. we were formerly very friendly but I'm having second thoughts after watching all your tic tocs...

So community notes from X with links is now “tic tocs” genzers?

Muslim nations like Indonesia seem immune? Do you even look up facts before you type? Suicide bombings and other attacks sadly occur often and have for decades.


Are you already drunk?
 
So community notes from X with links is now “tic tocs” genzers?

Muslim nations like Indonesia seem immune? Do you even look up facts before you type? Suicide bombings and other attacks sadly occur often and have for decades.


Are you already drunk?

you're comparing terrorism in Indonesia to the ME? what in the actual fvck? we have more domestic terrorism here. the wiki-as-you-go approach folks are taking to this is part of the problem.

but keep pushing the narrative: Israeli has a right to colonize because Palestinians, and Muslims in general, are violent by nature. 100 Palestinian lives = 1 Israeli life.

got it, and around we go
 
but keep pushing the narrative: Israeli has a right to colonize because Palestinians, and Muslims in general, are violent by nature. 100 Palestinian life = 1 Israeli life.

Your perspective couldn't be more embarrasing. The Israeli government isn't responsible for Palestinians lives. Their elected leaders are. Same way the Israeli govenrment is responsible for Israelis, regardless of the religion they practice, if any.
 
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The Israeli government isn't responsible for Palestinians lives.


by International law, it is. and if it ever wants to end this BS, Israel will start acting like it cares for the lives of Palestinians.

finally, we've cut to the chase
 
you're comparing terrorism in Indonesia to the ME? what in the actual fvck? we have more domestic terrorism here. the wiki-as-you-go approach folks are taking to this is part of the problem.

but keep pushing the narrative: Israeli has a right to colonize because Palestinians, and Muslims in general, are violent by nature. 100 Palestinian lives = 1 Israeli life.

got it, and around we go
I'm aware of the West Bank controversy, but how was Israel colonizing Gaza? They didn't have settlers there and Hamas had political control over the land.
 
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I'm aware of the West Bank controversy, but how was Israel colonizing Gaza? They didn't have settlers there and Hamas had political control over the land.

the West Bank and Gaza were separated by the creation of Israel. that may seem like ancient history to a lot of Americans but it always seems to be front and center for any nation that has lost land.
 
the West Bank and Gaza were separated by the creation of Israel. that may seem like ancient history to a lot of Americans but it's always front and center for peoples that lost land.
Displacement was an inevitability though. There was no way to form a partition plan without it.

What would you have suggested? No Jewish state or a Jewish state somewhere else?
 
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Your perspective couldn't be more embarrasing. The Israeli government isn't responsible for Palestinians lives. Their elected leaders are. Same way the Israeli govenrment is responsible for Israelis, regardless of the religion they practice, if any.
The Palestinians have to go somewhere. If you are going to engage in conquest, you can't just herd the conquered into an open air prison, occupy them indefinitely, and treat them like second class citizens. Perhaps compensation and treating the Palestinians like human beings would go a long way towards solving the conflict? There is a globally accepted 2 state solution that Israel constantly takes dumps on: maybe don't do that?
 
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You guys always out yourselves eventually. Carry on.
Could you imagine what the US would look like if there was no 1A with the crazy Christians? I shudder just thinking about it. Many of them literally are looking forward to the end of the world. They might make Saudi Arabia look like Kings Island.
 
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You are lucky to have been born in a country that was built on a civilizational foundation that has Christianity as one of its cornerstones.
Try again: most of the founders were Deists. We are lucky to have founders that put the 1A in the Constitution and tried to separate religion as much as humanly possible from government.

The Christians were literally hunting witches at the founding: get out of here!
 
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The Palestinians have to go somewhere. If you are going to engage in conquest, you can't just herd the conquered into an open air prison, occupy them indefinitely, and treat them like second class citizens. Perhaps compensation and treating the Palestinians like human beings would go a long way towards solving the conflict? There is a globally accepted 2 state solution that Israel constantly takes dumps on: maybe don't do that?

Why don't Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc. accept them? Shit, send them to Yemen. Seems like they are supportive.

What is the global 2 state solution that Israel constantly rejects? The one recommended by the UN in 1947 literally started the conflict because the Arabs rejected it and attacked? After getting their asses kicked and Israeli counteroffensives, now the Palestinians want to go back to the 1947 plan? LOL, talk about irrational and unserious.
 
Why don't Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc. accept them? Shit, send them to Yemen. Seems like they are supportive.

What is the global 2 state solution that Israel constantly rejects? The one recommended by the UN in 1947 literally started the conflict because the Arabs rejected it and attacked. After getting their asses kicked and Israeli counteroffensives, now the Palestinians want to go back to the 1947 plan? LOL, talk about irrational and unserious.
Why didn't the US accept Jews during WW2? A bunch of Palestinians do live elsewhere. Why is it ok for Israel to cleanse the area of Palestinians?

Israel keeps settling in the West Bank in prohibited areas, and they reject almost every effort for a Palestinian to build a house there. You know how we have done things in America with the Native Americans, and this is not how Israel rolls. Israel has created its own problems to a large extent.
 
Displacement was an inevitability though. There was no way to form a partition plan without it.

What would you have suggested? No Jewish state or a Jewish state somewhere else?

you are right. amazingly, 80 years on, your questions/ comments are still at the core of the issue imo.

in the context of post-colonial thinking, Israel would not have a state. there are many nations right now that deserve a state but won't get one because that time has passed. the Kurds come to mind.

in the context of geopolitics 1948, Israel absolutely did the right thing in forming. in the context of 1980s even, Israel's current disposition makes total sense. there was still no room for error then; Israel could win 99/100 wars with it's neighbors but would still cease to exist if it lost just one. so the math was easy, punch back harder and faster. Eff the downstream consequences.

but now Israel in 2023 is like a junior Western power, and major power in its region, nuclear armed, huge economy, expertise in various military and civilian industries, part of stable global and regional partnerships. once you are that, you can't go back. no one is confusing Israel's need to settle land they don't own with apartment complexes and strip malls as the reasonable reaction of a young, isolated country trying to push out against its much stronger enemies just to survive. the US puts up with it, barely, because the partnership means that much to us. same reason we put up with the Saudis and their even crazier shit. will be curious to see if US administrations don't push harder against West Bank expansion once the dust settles.
 
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