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There is no need to use Bleachbit to simply "delete" files; that can be done from the file manager. Bleachbit has a "Shred files" capability which most likely is a delete+overwrite function, whereby the space that holds the "deleted" data is overwritten with random data. (So-called "deleted" data really is still there, it's just that they are no longer visible to the file system and the space they reside on is now free to be overwritten. Unless overwritten, this data is easily recovered, even by non-professionals like myself.) Additionally, in the Preference settings for the general cleaning functions (cache, history, temp files, etc.) there is an option to "overwrite files to hide contents".

If a techie was tasked to "delete" sensitive data in an enterprise setting, using a tool like Beachbit would be a good practice, although I doubt it would meet any high DoD-like specification.
Yeah, that's what I mean. The FBI report says he "used BleachBit to delete the PST files." That's the wording in the FBI report. I assume that means he used whatever function BB has to delete not only the file structure, but the data, as well, like you explained. It's perfectly possible this was simply how PRN did things for their clients. When I was running the restaurant, I was approached by IT management companies all the time trying to sell me their services. The fact that any old data would be permanently deleted so as not to be recoverable was always a big part of their pitch.
 
Here's my problem. I manage an IT Dept at a medium sized company, maybe 500 users. I have had occasion to deal with legal holds on email and data. Even a shlub like me in Fort Wayne Indiana knows enough not to delete (er, shred and wipe) data like this. It'd never occur to me, and if my CEO requested it I'd refuse. Yet we're supposed to believe that this tech company took it upon themselves to delete and wipe the data of the freaking former Secretary of State, data they knew was under government request? I'm sorry, but the idea is outrageous. If they deleted it in the manner they did, especially given when they did it, it was because someone pretty darn influential requested that it be done. Full stop.
Again, it sounds to me like this was an individual who deleted the data because he didn't want people to know that he hadn't already done it months earlier when he was supposed to. Pretty stupid on his part, but the easiest conclusion is that he was covering is own ass, not Hillary's.
 
Here's my problem. I manage an IT Dept at a medium sized company, maybe 500 users. I have had occasion to deal with legal holds on email and data. Even a shlub like me in Fort Wayne Indiana knows enough not to delete (er, shred and wipe) data like this. It'd never occur to me, and if my CEO requested it I'd refuse. Yet we're supposed to believe that this tech company took it upon themselves to delete and wipe the data of the freaking former Secretary of State, data they knew was under government request? I'm sorry, but the idea is outrageous. If they deleted it in the manner they did, especially given when they did it, it was because someone pretty darn influential requested that it be done. Full stop.
I'm not taking issue with that at all. This whole email thing has stunk to high heaven from day one. Setting it up was felony stupid in the first place; the coverup -- and the "coverup of the coverup" -- is Nixonian. All I was trying to do was explain what I thought went on from a technical standpoint, in a narrow sense. Purpose or motivation is a different story.
 
Again, it sounds to me like this was an individual who deleted the data because he didn't want people to know that he hadn't already done it months earlier when he was supposed to. Pretty stupid on his part, but the easiest conclusion is that he was covering is own ass, not Hillary's.

And I ask again. Why were all of the mail server backups deleted at the same time? By someone else.

I get that you're a lawyer and think of things as a defense attorney would argue, but you can't honestly believe that this wasn't on purpose, right?
 
And I ask again. Why were all of the mail server backups deleted at the same time? By someone else.

I get that you're a lawyer and think of things as a defense attorney would argue, but you can't honestly believe that this wasn't on purpose, right?
Actually, I don't think the report specifies when the backups were deleted; it just notes that they were deleted as well. I could be wrong about that. I didn't read every page word for word.
 
Actually, I don't think the report specifies when the backups were deleted; it just notes that they were deleted as well. I could be wrong about that. I didn't read every page word for word.

It was reported that they were deleted in the "same time frame," late March.
 
Here's my problem. I manage an IT Dept at a medium sized company, maybe 500 users. I have had occasion to deal with legal holds on email and data. Even a shlub like me in Fort Wayne Indiana knows enough not to delete (er, shred and wipe) data like this. It'd never occur to me, and if my CEO requested it I'd refuse. Yet we're supposed to believe that this tech company took it upon themselves to delete and wipe the data of the freaking former Secretary of State, data they knew was under government request? I'm sorry, but the idea is outrageous. If they deleted it in the manner they did, especially given when they did it, it was because someone pretty darn influential requested that it be done. Full stop.
You have done a very good job of explaining how simple this is. The others are twisting to be right. Excellent.
 
And I ask again. Why were all of the mail server backups deleted at the same time? By someone else.

I get that you're a lawyer and think of things as a defense attorney would argue, but you can't honestly believe that this wasn't on purpose, right?
Unless this has to do with Hillary -- and all the evidence says otherwise -- this is entirely an onanistic exercise because Clinton.
 
It was reported that they were deleted in the "same time frame," late March.
I'll take your word for it. I already closed the tab that had the report open, and don't plan on reading through it again.

I get that you're a lawyer and think of things as a defense attorney would argue, but you can't honestly believe that this wasn't on purpose, right?
FTR, this subthread started with Ladoga's unjustified claim that the report described felony obstruction of justice. That's the only reason there is such a heavy level of defense attorney posturing going on. I've already detailed my many problems with Hillary vis-a-vis the email system, but I can't ever discuss them with anyone, because as soon as it becomes clear I don't think she's a felon, I'm automatically a shill. Hillary's enemies on this forum (and elsewhere) have turned her into a Bond villain, making rational discussion about her actual faults impossible.
 
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I'll take your word for it. I already closed the tab that had the report open, and don't plan on reading through it again.


FTR, this subthread started with Ladoga's unjustified claim that the report described felony obstruction of justice. That's the only reason there is such a heavy level of defense attorney posturing going on. I've already detailed my many problems with Hillary vis-a-vis the email system, but I can't ever discuss them with anyone, because as soon as it becomes clear I don't think she's a felon, I'm automatically a shill. Hillary's enemies on this forum (and elsewhere) have turned her into a Bond villain, making rational discussion about her actual faults impossible.
Destruction of Hillary Clinton's data - on her private server, remember, within her official custody - that was under preservation orders and subpoena is what, counselor? A picnic? Circus? Ball game?
 
I don't think Hillary is a great candidate, but I think she is a hundred times better qualified than the demagogue reality star. Hillary is respected around the world, she understands the issues ( you may not agree with her). All reports indicate that the Donald doesn't even have the attention span to study the issues for more than a few minutes. Hillary will not stand in front of the world and mock the disabled, make racist comments, make misogynist comments and rate women on their looks, and paint whole countries with a broad, negative brush. I have concern with some of her stands too, but the fake outrage and attacks that the right have gone after her fail to bother me. They've spent so many hours and so much money, and they still can't charge her with anything. The Donald, on the other hand , has thousands of lawsuits still against him, including the one for his bogus university and now it looks like he bribed someone in Florida to get rid of it. I just honestly can't comprehend someone that could picture the Donald meeting at the Great 8 for example, and not making a total fool of himself and his country. Our bumper sticker should be At Least She's Sane.
Your post is exactly what I described to Goat. I and my fellow conservatives were criticized for our lunacy about all things Clinton and couldn't help ourselves from posting negatives about Hillary. Your post and hundreds like it almost daily by all the Liberals is exactly what you accuse we conservatives of regarding Hillary. At least we have the common sense to know that Trump is unqualified while you Libs keep polishing your turd and turning a blind eye to all that is happening. I detest Trump but will tell you what the Liberals here always tell me.....prove it.
 
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Destruction of Hillary Clinton's data - on her private server, remember, within her official custody - that was under preservation orders and subpoena is what, counselor? A picnic? Circus? Ball game?
Sorry. That was sloppy. I meant to say (and if you read the rest of this thread, this theme will be clear) that it's perfectly possible what this particular techie did amounted to obstruction of justice (or perhaps fraud; there is some overlap) under various federal statutes. Not a slam dunk, mind you, but perfectly possible (it would likely depend on what "he was aware of the preservation request" actually means). However, the report offers zero evidence whatsoever of any crime on HRC's part, which everyone (reasonably) took to be your implication, and which Hank at least has implicitly pushed to some extent in your absence.
 
Your post is exactly what I described to Goat. I and my fellow conservatives were criticized for our lunacy about all things Clinton and couldn't help ourselves from posting negatives about Hillary. Your post and hundreds like it almost daily by all the Liberals is exactly what you accuse we conservatives of regarding Hillary. At least we have the common sense to know that Trump is unqualified while you Libs keep polishing your turd and turning a blind eye to all that is happening. I detest Trump but will tell you what the Liberals here always tell me.....prove it.
I don't know about Zeke, but you do me an injustice to include me in this post. My criticism of your (i.e., some conservatives') lunacy about Clinton has nothing to do with you posting negatives, and everything to do with you passing over very real and obvious negatives to post absolute rubbish just because it's sexier and darker. To repeat the phrase I've already used: you imagine her as a Bond villain, and that makes discussion of her genuine faults almost impossible.
 
Sorry. That was sloppy. I meant to say (and if you read the rest of this thread, this theme will be clear) that it's perfectly possible what this particular techie did amounted to obstruction of justice (or perhaps fraud; there is some overlap) under various federal statutes. Not a slam dunk, mind you, but perfectly possible (it would likely depend on what "he was aware of the preservation request" actually means). However, the report offers zero evidence whatsoever of any crime on HRC's part, which everyone (reasonably) took to be your implication, and which Hank at least has implicitly pushed to some extent in your absence.

With regards to what I've been suggesting, I've tried to be clear that I have no evidence that HRC personally requested anything. In fact, that would be pretty surprising. But I clearly am suggesting that someone acting on her behalf (with or without hr knowledge) most likely did.
 
With regards to what I've been suggesting, I've tried to be clear that I have no evidence that HRC personally requested anything. In fact, that would be pretty surprising. But I clearly am suggesting that someone acting on her behalf (with or without hr knowledge) most likely did.
No, she did this to her self.
 
Again, it sounds to me like this was an individual who deleted the data because he didn't want people to know that he hadn't already done it months earlier when he was supposed to. Pretty stupid on his part, but the easiest conclusion is that he was covering is own ass, not Hillary's.

Probably a moot point now, but the whole "we'll permanently delete your data" thing probably was a selling point for his services like you said with your restaurant. He likely isn't banking on working for the Clintons forever and will need new clients at some point. He was likely covering his own ass so he wouldn't look incompetent to potential future clients. Of course, this scenario doesn't fall in the realm of possibility and it's obvious Hillary ordered the wipe. It's just obvious. Believe me, folks.
 
I looked up HRC in the dictionary tonight, online, it returned PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
 
Your post is exactly what I described to Goat. I and my fellow conservatives were criticized for our lunacy about all things Clinton and couldn't help ourselves from posting negatives about Hillary. Your post and hundreds like it almost daily by all the Liberals is exactly what you accuse we conservatives of regarding Hillary. At least we have the common sense to know that Trump is unqualified while you Libs keep polishing your turd and turning a blind eye to all that is happening. I detest Trump but will tell you what the Liberals here always tell me.....prove it.
I think she is many things that are negative. But I do think she is qualified, which is something that is impossible to say with a straight face about Trump. She is too hawkish, too invested in Wall Street, careless, not criminal with the email, etc. All that still makes her a much better candidate. And as many have mentioned, the problem isn't just with Trump, it's with his supporters. Just read an article about the rise of white nationalists on social media in the last few years and it's alarming. Trump feeds right into that type of thing. A Trump presidency would be devastating for race relations in our country.
 
With regards to what I've been suggesting, I've tried to be clear that I have no evidence that HRC personally requested anything. In fact, that would be pretty surprising. But I clearly am suggesting that someone acting on her behalf (with or without hr knowledge) most likely did.

So you're saying that this "techie" who was interviewed by the FBI and whose name actually appeared in the FBI report decided to risk his own neck because someone in the Clinton camp "requested" that he wipe evidence that had been subpoenaed? And that when the FBI questioned him he lied and said that he did it on his own,because he wanted to save HRC's neck?And he was able to fool the FBI into accepting his story?

Do you think the average citizen who undergoes rigorous questioning by the FBI is going to be able to lie to the FBI and have the FBI believe the tale they invent? What exactly do you think his motivavtion was for undertaking this massive subtrefuge?
 
So you're saying that this "techie" who was interviewed by the FBI and whose name actually appeared in the FBI report decided to risk his own neck because someone in the Clinton camp "requested" that he wipe evidence that had been subpoenaed? And that when the FBI questioned him he lied and said that he did it on his own,because he wanted to save HRC's neck?And he was able to fool the FBI into accepting his story?

Do you think the average citizen who undergoes rigorous questioning by the FBI is going to be able to lie to the FBI and have the FBI believe the tale they invent? What exactly do you think his motivavtion was for undertaking this massive subtrefuge?
It's important to note the FBI report does not specify that he was aware of the subpoena. It only specifies that he was aware of the preservation request. This is important because it's reasonable to think that, if he had admitted to deleting something he knew was under subpoena, we'd have heard about criminal charges against him. At the very least, you'd expect Congress to find him in contempt and send a request to DOJ to pursue the matter. But that hasn't happened. Why? Because Congress doesn't care about random techie. They want Hillary to be a felon. Nothing else matters.
 
I don't know about Zeke, but you do me an injustice to include me in this post. My criticism of your (i.e., some conservatives') lunacy about Clinton has nothing to do with you posting negatives, and everything to do with you passing over very real and obvious negatives to post absolute rubbish just because it's sexier and darker. To repeat the phrase I've already used: you imagine her as a Bond villain, and that makes discussion of her genuine faults almost impossible.
What's rubbish Goat is the lefts defense of her indefensible behavior as SOS. Name one false statement I made regarding her activities regarding the emails etc. You can't. Instead you post this type of personal insult. This doesn't include my personal negatives about her. That's fair game but the facts aren't.

Was this rubbish: They are lies Goat and she has proven herself extremely careless and reckless in her handling of security matters.

I
s this a lie and rubbish: Her foundation is....well you know the facts there about all the donations from nations who treat women like shit and persecute gays via murder or prison and on and on. Go to her foundation website and see the donations for yourself.

Is this a lie and rubbish: She can't recall signing documents and receiving training. She couldn't recall 35 times in the FBI interview

Hell they can't even find many of the devices she used and there were many as opposed to her one device comments.

Was this more rubbish: What about the thorough wipe of her server and destruction of devices?? I know, it's obvious Hillary never ordered the wipe. She will blame it on her lawyers, on her aides, or anybody else she can think of instead of taking personal responsibility for anything.

Is this not factual: How do you explain her forgetting all the stuff ask her by the FBI? Or perhaps you think the whole report was ginned up in some back room by her enemies. What about not remembering some very key and elementary items required of her and her position

I guess she could have been nervous and flustered in her FBI interview as some have pathetically suggested but then the left always brags about her sterling performance under pressure at her 12+ hour meeting during her Congressional hearing.

You apparently dislike answering this: Are you saying Hillary has been truthful and competent in her handling of classified material and government emails?

She has lied in front of cameras on numerous occasions to the people and Congress. This is simply a fact.

The left keeps using Comeys findings that she can't be prosecuted while at the same time turning a blind eye to what all he reported was uncovered and diplomatically called her a repeated liar on several occasions. You ignore the FBI released interview about her not recalling details some 35 times. Her not recalling signing documents about her responsibility and the consequences. She didn't recall any security training. On and on and on. This is what I described in my sexier and darker rubbish post as you call it. You won't address her carelessness, what the FBI has reported and......................Instead its more words, little fact, rubbish and par for the course.

Your right it is impossible to discuss her genuine faults.......with facts to a supporter. The general defense is liar, liar, liar pants on fire and it's dark, sexy and rubbish or simply "prove it". You mentioned excellent points before about what you felt were negatives. I agree and as Zeke pointed out later she is to hawkish, careless, close to Wall Street.......................but everything I have pointed out are very real and genuine negatives sir. Add your points to these facts and it simply points to her being as bad or worse than Trump.

Hell I didn't even mention the sleazy relationship between the foundation, her, and the State Dept. It certainly doesn't look favorable for her and many Democrats are saying so and encouraging her to shut it down etc. Tit for Tat can't be proven but it looks like it anyway.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss any real negatives you perceive. What's amazing to me and about 2/3 of the American people is why you don't consider all the emails, carelessness regarding security, her foundation,..................as genuine negatives. By the way, she is not intelligent enough or capable enough to be a Bond villain. In general a Bond villain requires some technical expertise and very high regard for security and intelligence work. That's my personal dark, sexy negative.

Let me beat you to it sir, vbg, "lots of words with no substance"......saving you the time.
 
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Your post is exactly what I described to Goat. I and my fellow conservatives were criticized for our lunacy about all things Clinton and couldn't help ourselves from posting negatives about Hillary. Your post and hundreds like it almost daily by all the Liberals is exactly what you accuse we conservatives of regarding Hillary. At least we have the common sense to know that Trump is unqualified while you Libs keep polishing your turd and turning a blind eye to all that is happening. I detest Trump but will tell you what the Liberals here always tell me.....prove it.

Look Hillary is a horrible campaigner,but based on what I know of her policies I think she'd be an effective Chief Executive.I want a Dem nominating SCOTUS judges-I don't want to go back into the dark ages.She's not a racist (despite Trump's attempts to twist her words into something they're not).In fact her actions from the time she was in college have shown her to be someone that didn't merely play lip service into the idea of working to improve the lot of others-she was heavily into aspects of the Civil Rights Movement long before she was ever involved in politics...

If people want to oppose her policies,then that's fair enough.But all this broohah over the emails and the Clinton Foundation are to me essentially a witch hunt,started by people desperate to chop into the popularity she enjoyed after leaving the State Dept.

In my opinion none of these real or imaginary transgressions rise to the level of disqualifying her, when the only alternative is a man like Trump.Again his words are bad enogh,but just like with HRC actions actually speak louder than words and Trump has shown himself to be a bigot.And even if that's just an opinion,the fact remains that it's an opinion universally shared by folks who are themselves bigots.

I mean David Duke is on the mild end of the spectrum, when it comes to bigots who support Trump because they feel he speaks to them.From POLITICO way back in December...

"Demoralization has been the biggest enemy and Trump is changing all that,” said Stormfront founder Don Black, who reports additional listeners and call volume to his phone-in radio show, in addition to the site’s traffic bump. Black predicts that the white nationalist forces set in motion by Trump will be a legacy that outlives the businessman’s political career. “He’s certainly creating a movement that will continue independently of him even if he does fold at some point.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620#ixzz4JLhCaS7W
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Look Hillary is a horrible campaigner,but based on what I know of her policies I think she'd be an effective Chief Executive.I want a Dem nominating SCOTUS judges-I don't want to go back into the dark ages.She's not a racist (despite Trump's attempts to twist her words into something they're not).In fact her actions from the time she was in college have shown her to be someone that didn't merely play lip service into the idea of working to improve the lot of others-she was heavily into aspects of the Civil Rights Movement long before she was ever involved in politics..
I agree to a lot of this but not only is she a horrible campaigner but she is a horrible candidate as well. I understand fully the desire for a Democrat to appt SCOTUS judges and if I were to vote for Trump it would be for this very important reason but so far I can't even bring myself to do that. I can't agree with your comments regarding her striving to improve the lot of others. Her foundation alone and the millions she has taken from countries who violate human rights and from some very nefarious characters as well. For me anyone that can turn their head and accept millions upon millions from nations that persecute women, minorities, gays etc isn't my idea of someone always striving to improve the life of the less fortunate. To me this demonstrates lip service. Sure the foundation does good things but at a high price for respectability in my humble opinion. As a Senator the minorities in your area went backwards in all the key indicators. Hell she never authored anything. Did did sponsor a bill to name a post office and another along those same lines.

I don't think many of us here would accept large sums of money from scoundrels, thieves, and murderers or from those who persecute women and gays just to improve our lot in life. I could be wrong but doubt it.

But all this broohah over the emails and the Clinton Foundation are to me essentially a witch hunt,started by people desperate to chop into the popularity she enjoyed after leaving the State Dept.
The emails and the foundation are a lot more than simple broohahs. A lot more. Even if it is a witch hunt she has provided the world with ample evidence that she is a liar and untrustworthy and will throw aides or anyone else under the bus to protect herself. All the points I mentioned to Goat minus my personal negative comments are fact and there is no way around it. It is not broohah but fact.
In my opinion none of these real or imaginary transgressions rise to the level of disqualifying her, when the only alternative is a man like Trump.Again his words are bad enogh,but just like with HRC actions actually speak louder than words and Trump has shown himself to be a bigot.
The transgressions are real but you have a valid point considering that the alternative is Trump. Bigot covers more ground that simply racism and Hillary fits into that description quite well also minus the racism but she is connected directly with this to some degree via her foundations donors. There is the old saying about actions speaking louder than words. Well......Trump has said some things deemed racist and associates with some but how is it any different than Hillarys associations with those despicable countries she accepts money from in the millions who violate human rights and who themselves are racist. Does her association and relationship with these countries and characters not count? By accepting these millions she is associating herself directly to people who are racist and on and on. Women are shit, gays are shit and women are farmed out as cheap labor and gays put in prison or murdered. Do we have to choose which association is acceptable and which is not. Trumps is horrible and Hillarys ain't so bad. I just can't believe that.

It's like I have repeatedly stated we have two primary turds running for POTUS. TWO, and for me and apparently a lot like me feel there isn't much difference. We conservatives here aren't polishing our turd but a lot of liberals here are and continue to do so.
 
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I agree to a lot of this but not only is she a horrible campaigner but she is a horrible candidate as well. I understand fully the desire for a Democrat to appt SCOTUS judges and if I were to vote for Trump it would be for this very important reason but so far I can't even bring myself to do that. I can't agree with your comments regarding her striving to improve the lot of others. Her foundation alone and the millions she has taken from countries who violate human rights and from some very nefarious characters as well. For me anyone that can turn their head and accept millions upon millions from nations that persecute women, minorities, gays etc isn't my idea of someone always striving to improve the life of the less fortunate. To me this demonstrates lip service. Sure the foundation does good things but at a high price for respectability in my humble opinion. As a Senator the minorities in your area went backwards in all the key indicators. Hell she never authored anything. Did did sponsor a bill to name a post office and another along those same lines.

I don't think many of us here would accept large sums of money from scoundrels, thieves, and murderers or from those who persecute women and gays just to improve our lot in life. I could be wrong but doubt it.


The emails and the foundation are a lot more than simple broohahs. A lot more. Even if it is a witch hunt she has provided the world with ample evidence that she is a liar and untrustworthy and will throw aides or anyone else under the bus to protect herself. All the points I mentioned to Goat minus my personal negative comments are fact and there is no way around it. It is not broohah but fact.

The transgressions are real but you have a valid point considering that the alternative is Trump. Bigot covers more ground that simply racism and Hillary fits into that description quite well also minus the racism but she is connected directly with this to some degree via her foundations donors. There is the old saying about actions speaking louder than words. Well......Trump has said some things deemed racist and associates with some but how is it any different than Hillarys associations with those despicable countries she accepts money from in the millions who violate human rights and who themselves are racist. Does her association and relationship with these countries and characters not count? By accepting these millions she is associating herself directly to people who are racist and on and on. Women are shit, gays are shit and women are farmed out as cheap labor and gays put in prison or murdered. Do we have to choose which association is acceptable and which is not. Trumps is horrible and Hillarys ain't so bad. I just can't believe that.

It's like I have repeatedly stated we have two primary turds running for POTUS. TWO, and for me and apparently a lot like me feel there isn't much difference. We conservatives here aren't polishing our turd but a lot of liberals here are and continue to do so.
"Her foundation" is a public charity. It is highly rated because it has low overhead, and most of its money goes to actual charitable action. It isn't her personal checking account. She doesn't run it. It just has her name on it. That's it. If it were called "The Bush Foundation," you'd have no problem with it, and rightfully so, because it does a lot of good work. The fact that the Clinton name is enough for you to assume that it's something nefarious is another example of that lunacy we've been talking about.
 
Sorry. That was sloppy. I meant to say (and if you read the rest of this thread, this theme will be clear) that it's perfectly possible what this particular techie did amounted to obstruction of justice (or perhaps fraud; there is some overlap) under various federal statutes. Not a slam dunk, mind you, but perfectly possible (it would likely depend on what "he was aware of the preservation request" actually means). However, the report offers zero evidence whatsoever of any crime on HRC's part, which everyone (reasonably) took to be your implication, and which Hank at least has implicitly pushed to some extent in your absence.
The "report" is a summary with massive redactions. So, its only as brief peek into what was going on and identities are missing, but the techie - whoever that is - ran Clinton's software and server located in her home containing tens of thousands of messages to her and from her.. Now, who would the principal be in that particular? Her briefing form with her signature on it has been displayed publicly here and many other places. Who's responsibility does that display?
 
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The "report" is a summary with massive redactions. So, its only as brief peek into what was going on and identities are missing, but the techie - whoever that is - ran Clinton's software and server located in her home containing tens of thousands of messages to her and from her.. Now, who would the principal be in that particular? Her briefing form with her signature on it has been displayed publicly here and many other places. Who's responsibility does that display?
You are making unjustified assumptions about this techie. He was an employee of PRN who had been tasked with deleting old emails. That's all we really know about him. Nothing to suggest he ever ran her server or anything like that.
 
You are making unjustified assumptions about this techie. He was an employee of PRN who had been tasked with deleting old emails. That's all we really know about him. Nothing to suggest he ever ran her server or anything like that.

Correct. The Pagliano guy was the State Dept tech who ran Hillary's email server for her.

The sequence as I read it was that the contents of the original server run by Pagliano was transferred to a PRN managed server after she left the State dept. Then in March 2015 after the news about server etc broke the PRN archives were deleted by someone, but most assuredly not the guy who originally managed her personal server.
 
Again, it sounds to me like this was an individual who deleted the data because he didn't want people to know that he hadn't already done it months earlier when he was supposed to. Pretty stupid on his part, but the easiest conclusion is that he was covering is own ass, not Hillary's.
Straight arrow Republican FBI Director James Comey concluded that HRC did nothing to conceal her State Department emails from the FBI. This causes unhinged Hillary haters to conclude that straight arrow Republican FBI Director James Comey must be in the tank for Hillary. So with only sketchy facts, we must run down all these rabbit trails, because Clinton. It's ridiculous.
 
I don't think many of us here would accept large sums of money from scoundrels, thieves, and murderers or from those who persecute women and gays just to improve our lot in life. I could be wrong but doubt it.
But what if instead, those large sums of money collected from scoundrels, thieves, and murderers -- or from those who persecute women and gays -- were used to assist the victims of the scoundrels, thieves, and murderers, or women and gays? Wouldn't that be a delicious irony?
 
Straight arrow Republican FBI Director James Comey concluded that HRC did nothing to conceal her State Department emails from the FBI. This causes unhinged Hillary haters to conclude that straight arrow Republican FBI Director James Comey must be in the tank for Hillary. So with only sketchy facts, we must run down all these rabbit trails, because Clinton. It's ridiculous.

Most "staight arrow" Republicans

are legitimately terrified of a Trump presidency. The case against Clinton is clearly prosecutable. A young former sailor will spend the next year in prison because he was in possession of pictures of the submarine he served on. He didn't intend to harm the United States either.

Clinton caught a break. Based on all we know about her case and her hamfisted and dishonest attempts at exculpating herself, I think Comey believes he is did a public service.
 
Here's my problem. I manage an IT Dept at a medium sized company, maybe 500 users. I have had occasion to deal with legal holds on email and data. Even a shlub like me in Fort Wayne Indiana knows enough not to delete (er, shred and wipe) data like this. It'd never occur to me, and if my CEO requested it I'd refuse. Yet we're supposed to believe that this tech company took it upon themselves to delete and wipe the data of the freaking former Secretary of State, data they knew was under government request? I'm sorry, but the idea is outrageous. If they deleted it in the manner they did, especially given when they did it, it was because someone pretty darn influential requested that it be done. Full stop.
Well stated but in HRC's world you "don't recall" and pass the buck. What surprises me is that her attorney is still practicing law as it appears she participated in the cleaning after knowing of the subpoena.
 
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"Her foundation" is a public charity. It is highly rated because it has low overhead, and most of its money goes to actual charitable action. It isn't her personal checking account. She doesn't run it. It just has her name on it. That's it. If it were called "The Bush Foundation," you'd have no problem with it, and rightfully so, because it does a lot of good work. The fact that the Clinton name is enough for you to assume that it's something nefarious is another example of that lunacy we've been talking about.
Her foundation does great work. It could be the greatest charity in the world, but that's irrelevant. The fact that it's a charity is relevant. The fact that she had a personal interest in the foundation is relevant. The fact that she had friends (Sidney and Uma, at a minimum) and family (Chelsea, maybe) financially benefitting from the foundation is relevant. The interests of some of the donors are relevant. The fact that several donors to the charity also had interests in decisions by DoS is relevant. There are several more relevant facts, but the fact that the foundation does good work isn't one of them.
 
"Her foundation" is a public charity. It is highly rated because it has low overhead, and most of its money goes to actual charitable action. It isn't her personal checking account. She doesn't run it. It just has her name on it. That's it. If it were called "The Bush Foundation," you'd have no problem with it, and rightfully so, because it does a lot of good work. The fact that the Clinton name is enough for you to assume that it's something nefarious is another example of that lunacy we've been talking about.

Her foundation is weird if not simply disgusting

First of all, most families who establish foundations do so to to create a way to give away their own money. See Bill Gates and even some professional athletes and teams. Not the Clintons. They set up their foundation to give away other people's money. Even those family foundations which accept outside donations accept donations from those who really want to help various charitable causes. The Clintons? They sought and accepted donations from foreign governments. By foreign governments we are mostly talking about governments run by dictators with or without rubber stamp legislative bodies who tread very close to the human rights line, if not way on the other side of it. These are governments that should have strained relationships with the United States because of miserable human rights records. Yet these are governments who chose to assist a foundation established by a Senator, a candidate for president, and a former president, not to mention some donations received while Hillary served as Secretary of State. Does anybody really want to believe the aid and support of the United States was not for sale and that these governments were buying face time with Uncle Sam? Oh, did I mention that the foundation had to amend its tax returns in part to show these governmental donations, they were omitted before Hillary announced her 2016 campaign. We have since learned that private and foreign government foundation donors had greased skids into the office of the Secretary of State, that Cheryl Mills helped with those arrangements while employed by in the state department as Clinton's chief of staff and that Huma Abiden was simultaneously working for the foundation and the state department.
 
Her foundation does great work. It could be the greatest charity in the world, but that's irrelevant. The fact that it's a charity is relevant. The fact that she had a personal interest in the foundation is relevant. The fact that she had friends (Sidney and Uma, at a minimum) and family (Chelsea, maybe) financially benefitting from the foundation is relevant. The interests of some of the donors are relevant. The fact that several donors to the charity also had interests in decisions by DoS is relevant. There are several more relevant facts, but the fact that the foundation does good work isn't one of them.
Maybe you have some good points there, but this is the crap I was responding to:
"Her foundation alone and the millions she has taken from countries who violate human rights and from some very nefarious characters as well."

Look at CO.H's, response, which is ultimately to criticize them for calling their charity a foundation, when it's really a charitable organization. Really, that's what his long rant boils down do.

This all proves the point I've been making, which is that we can't have real discussions about Hillary's genuine faults, because too many people are obsessed with portraying her as a Bond villain.
 
She was present at the interview and claiming attorney client privilege. My concern was the same as outlined in the National Review article. You of course will diss the source but it is a great summary of the issue. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/439676/
You're changing the subject. You claimed Hillary's lawyer (I assume you mean Mills) was involved in deleting the emails. There is nothing in the report to suggest that. Did you get it from a bad source, or did you just make it up yourself?
 
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