Guards...........this is a recording

[aajohn2000]

Get some freaking guards who can score. If we do nothing else, just bring in some damn guards. There is not a game we are going to play this season where our guards give us an advantage. Malik and Ware better stay healthy or we are truly effed this season. Ware is not going have his way in B1G play like he has in these early games. It's going to only get tougher and our guard play only makes it more difficult. As a collective group, here are their stats on the season:

FG's: 47-113 or 41.5%
- 17 for 51 or 33.33% the last three games

Three Pointers: 10-39 or 25.6%
- 2 for 17 or 11.7% the last three games

Free Throws: 42-55 or 76.4%
- 18 for 23 or 78.3% last three games

Assists: 45, 1.45 to 1 assist to turnover ratio
- 21 last three games, 1.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio

Points: 146, 24.33 per game
-54 last three games, 18 per game

Turnovers: 31, 5.17 per game
- 14 turnovers last three games, 4.67 per game

Rebounds: 41, 6.83 per game
- 19 last three games, 6.33 per game

As a collective group, our entire team's guards avg production per game looks like this:
- Fg's: 7.8 per game
- Threes: .33 per game
- Free Throws: 7
- Points: 20.9
- Assists: 6.4
- Turnovers: 4.4

Keep in mind, this is the entire team. Our interior is not elite enough to overcome this grand canyon void at the entire guard position. They have to play better and be more productive. But for crying out loud, bring in some damn guards who can produce. A guy like Mack would be great. As reference, Mack outproduced the entire lot of IU guards tonight. Here is a comparison. And oh yeah, Mack is a freshman.

FG's
- IU Guards: 4 for 15
- Mack: 8 for 16

Threes
- IU Guards: 0-5
- Mack: 3-8

Free Throws
- IU Guards: 3-3
- Mack: 8 - 10

Points
- IU Guards: 11
- Mack: 27

Assists
- IU Guards: 10
- Mack: 3

Turnovers
- IU Guards: 2
- Mack: 4

Rebounds
- IU Guards: 7
- Mack: 4

 

[dbmhoosier]

Get some freaking guards who can score. If we do nothing else, just bring in some damn guards. There is not a game we are going to play this season where our guards give us an advantage. Malik and Ware better stay healthy or we are truly effed this season. Ware is not going have his way in B1G play like he has in these early games. It's going to only get tougher and our guard play only makes it more difficult. As a collective group, here are their stats on the season:

FG's: 47-113 or 41.5%
- 17 for 51 or 33.33% the last three games

Three Pointers: 10-39 or 25.6%
- 2 for 17 or 11.7% the last three games

Free Throws: 42-55 or 76.4%
- 18 for 23 or 78.3% last three games

Assists: 45, 1.45 to 1 assist to turnover ratio
- 21 last three games, 1.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio

Points: 146
-54 last three games

Turnovers: 31
- 14 turnovers last three games

Rebounds: 41
- 19 last three games

As a collective group, our entire team's guards avg production per game looks like this:
- Fg's: 7.8 per game
- Threes: .33 per game
- Free Throws: 7
- Points: 20.9
- Assists: 6.4
- Turnovers: 4.4

Keep in mind, this is the entire team. Our interior is not elite enough to overcome this grand canyon void at the entire guard position. They have to play better and be more productive. But for crying out loud, bring in some damn guards who can produce. A guy like Mack would be great. As reference, Mack outproduced the entire lot of IU guards tonight. Here is a comparison. And oh yeah, Mack is a freshman.

FG's
- IU Guards: 4 for 15
- Mack: 8 for 16

Threes
- IU Guards: 0-5
- Mack: 3-8

Free Throws
- IU Guards: 3-3
- Mack: 8 - 10

Points
- IU Guards: 11
- 27

Assists
- IU Guards: 10
- Mack: 3

Turnovers
- IU Guards: 2
- Mack: 4

Rebounds
- IU Guards: 7
- Mack: 4

But then Ware, Reneau, and MM are all likely gone after this season so we'll need frontcourt players too. Woody gonna have to hit a grand slam in the portal.

 

[Beorik]

Get some freaking guards who can score. If we do nothing else, just bring in some damn guards. There is not a game we are going to play this season where our guards give us an advantage. Malik and Ware better stay healthy or we are truly effed this season. Ware is not going have his way in B1G play like he has in these early games. It's going to only get tougher and our guard play only makes it more difficult. As a collective group, here are their stats on the season:

FG's: 47-113 or 41.5%
- 17 for 51 or 33.33% the last three games

Three Pointers: 10-39 or 25.6%
- 2 for 17 or 11.7% the last three games

Free Throws: 42-55 or 76.4%
- 18 for 23 or 78.3% last three games

Assists: 45, 1.45 to 1 assist to turnover ratio
- 21 last three games, 1.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio

Points: 146
-54 last three games

Turnovers: 31
- 14 turnovers last three games

Rebounds: 41
- 19 last three games

As a collective group, our entire team's guards avg production per game looks like this:
- Fg's: 7.8 per game
- Threes: .33 per game
- Free Throws: 7
- Points: 20.9
- Assists: 6.4
- Turnovers: 4.4

Keep in mind, this is the entire team. Our interior is not elite enough to overcome this grand canyon void at the entire guard position. They have to play better and be more productive. But for crying out loud, bring in some damn guards who can produce. A guy like Mack would be great. As reference, Mack outproduced the entire lot of IU guards tonight. Here is a comparison. And oh yeah, Mack is a freshman.

FG's
- IU Guards: 4 for 15
- Mack: 8 for 16

Threes
- IU Guards: 0-5
- Mack: 3-8

Free Throws
- IU Guards: 3-3
- Mack: 8 - 10

Points
- IU Guards: 11
- 27

Assists
- IU Guards: 10
- Mack: 3

Turnovers
- IU Guards: 2
- Mack: 4

Rebounds
- IU Guards: 7
- Mack: 4

You forgot one pretty important stat.

IU Guards team points - 89
Macks team points - 76

 

[kurt cloverdales]

But then Ware, Reneau, and MM are all likely gone after this season so we'll need frontcourt players too. Woody gonna have to hit a grand slam in the portal.

where are mm and reneau going

 

[dbmhoosier]

where are mm and reneau going

Overseas or GLeague maybe. They won't be here.

 

[aajohn2000]

You forgot one pretty important stat.

IU Guards team points - 89
Macks team points - 76

That's not the point, but I get what you are saying. Our guards production is declining as we play stiffer competition and the teams ahead on the schedule are only going to get stronger. Our last three games have been vs UCONN, Louisville and Harvard today. Production has dipped over these three. Buckle up. This team will go as our guards go.

 

[Beorik]

That's not the point, but I get what you are saying. Our guards production is declining as we play stiffer competition and the teams ahead on the schedule are only going to get stronger. Our last three games have been vs UCONN, Louisville and Harvard today. Production has dipped over these three. Buckle up. This team will go as our guards go.

IU will need to be able to score from outside at some point. Today wasn’t the day and if our guards had just tried to jack it up as opposed to playing to our biggest advantage I would be much more worried going forward.

We still have time to get things together offensively and I think we are making strides.

 

[aajohn2000]

IU will need to be able to score from outside at some point. Today wasn’t the day and if our guards had just tried to jack it up as opposed to playing to our biggest advantage I would be much more worried going forward.

We still have time to get things together offensively and I think we are making strides.

Do not disagree. Play to your strengths and win the game. But the three point line is a serious shit show on both sides of the ball. Can't defend it and can't shoot it. It's a major problem. We are ranked 356th in the country on 3 pt %. I believe there are only 365 total D1 teams.

 

[Beorik]

Do not disagree. Play to your strengths and win the game. But the three point line is a serious shit show on both sides of the ball. Can't defend it and can't shoot it. It's a major problem. We are ranked 356th in the country on 3 pt %. I believe there are only 365 total D1 teams.

Agree we have been terrible. We need X and Galloway to look for their shots more. MM and Banks seem to be playing better from the perimeter. Fingers crossed we will keep getting better.

 

[aajohn2000]

Agree we have been terrible. We need X and Galloway to look for their shots more. MM and Banks seem to be playing better from the perimeter. Fingers crossed we will keep getting better.

On to Maryland!

 

[Harry Hondo]

where are mm and reneau going

MM is just starting to come around and it’s still November - he has 3.5 months to show his stuff. Way too early to predict his NBA chances.

 

[kkott]

Agree we have been terrible. We need X and Galloway to look for their shots more. MM and Banks seem to be playing better from the perimeter. Fingers crossed we will keep getting better.

I agree on X, but right now, TG's 3 pt shot looks so off. I predicted he'd take a dip in 3 pt % this year with more attempts and focus from opponents, but he doesn't look confident at all. I'd rather guys not take shots if they aren't confident in them and right now I don't think he thinks his shot is going in.

I wonder what Gunn did to not get any 2nd half minutes? With X out, I really was hoping to see him come in and try and shut down Mack.

 

[13thman]

Agree we have been terrible. We need X and Galloway to look for their shots more. MM and Banks seem to be playing better from the perimeter. Fingers crossed we will keep getting better.

We don't need Gallo and X looking for more shots. We just need them to hit the ones they are getting.

 

[Bucket Getter]

I agree on X, but right now, TG's 3 pt shot looks so off. I predicted he'd take a dip in 3 pt % this year with more attempts and focus from opponents, but he doesn't look confident at all. I'd rather guys not take shots if they aren't confident in them and right now I don't think he thinks his shot is going in.

I wonder what Gunn did to not get any 2nd half minutes? With X out, I really was hoping to see him come in and try and shut down Mack.

Pretty sure it was exactly what you hoped to see more of. Gunn can’t guard.

 

[Btownboom]

Trey cant hit nothing right now. We did have some nice outside shots drop today though. MM hit several Banks hit 2 threes and Gunn hit one with his toes on the line. Defense was the problem again today. Offense was fine. 89 points against a team that will make the tournament(and probably knock out purdue lol) isnt bad. Giving up however many 3's we gave up is the problem and has been all year even against uconn.

 

[NOMORENIT]

Get some freaking guards who can score. If we do nothing else, just bring in some damn guards. There is not a game we are going to play this season where our guards give us an advantage. Malik and Ware better stay healthy or we are truly effed this season. Ware is not going have his way in B1G play like he has in these early games. It's going to only get tougher and our guard play only makes it more difficult. As a collective group, here are their stats on the season:

FG's: 47-113 or 41.5%
- 17 for 51 or 33.33% the last three games

Three Pointers: 10-39 or 25.6%
- 2 for 17 or 11.7% the last three games

Free Throws: 42-55 or 76.4%
- 18 for 23 or 78.3% last three games

Assists: 45, 1.45 to 1 assist to turnover ratio
- 21 last three games, 1.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio

Points: 146
-54 last three games

Turnovers: 31
- 14 turnovers last three games

Rebounds: 41
- 19 last three games

As a collective group, our entire team's guards avg production per game looks like this:
- Fg's: 7.8 per game
- Threes: .33 per game
- Free Throws: 7
- Points: 20.9
- Assists: 6.4
- Turnovers: 4.4

Keep in mind, this is the entire team. Our interior is not elite enough to overcome this grand canyon void at the entire guard position. They have to play better and be more productive. But for crying out loud, bring in some damn guards who can produce. A guy like Mack would be great. As reference, Mack outproduced the entire lot of IU guards tonight. Here is a comparison. And oh yeah, Mack is a freshman.

FG's
- IU Guards: 4 for 15
- Mack: 8 for 16

Threes
- IU Guards: 0-5
- Mack: 3-8

Free Throws
- IU Guards: 3-3
- Mack: 8 - 10

Points
- IU Guards: 11
- Mack: 27

Assists
- IU Guards: 10
- Mack: 3

Turnovers
- IU Guards: 2
- Mack: 4

Rebounds
- IU Guards: 7
- Mack: 4

Great points. Galloway and X are not producing.

 

[NOMORENIT]

I agree on X, but right now, TG's 3 pt shot looks so off. I predicted he'd take a dip in 3 pt % this year with more attempts and focus from opponents, but he doesn't look confident at all. I'd rather guys not take shots if they aren't confident in them and right now I don't think he thinks his shot is going in.

I wonder what Gunn did to not get any 2nd half minutes? With X out, I really was hoping to see him come in and try and shut down Mack.

I thought Gunn played well in the 1st half. what happened.

 

[IUPaterade724]

Our forwards have to produce for our lack of guards. Anything that Galloway and X give us will be a bonus. Based off of everything we’ve seen from them up to this point in their careers, not a single person should expect either of them to be a solid scoring threat. They are complimentary pieces to the missing scoring guards that don’t exist on this team.

 

[sglowrider]

But then Ware, Reneau, and MM are all likely gone after this season so we'll need frontcourt players too. Woody gonna have to hit a grand slam in the portal.

I think this is the future going forward -- entire units coming in & leaving every year. 4-6 players leaving every season.

I can see Banks leaving if he isn't getting more time -- with McNeeley coming in, where does he play? Unless Woodie decides to play McNeeley as an SG -- considering our perennial issue.

 

[hickorytree1]

Great points. Galloway and X are not producing.

Galloway had five assists and no turnovers. You only look at shooting stats?

 

[Harpo Marxist]

We don't need Gallo and X looking for more shots. We just need them to hit the ones they are getting.

Chicken and egg....if they were hitting more...they would be taking more.

 

[Tru2Irish]

Agree we have been terrible. We need X and Galloway to look for their shots more. MM and Banks seem to be playing better from the perimeter. Fingers crossed we will keep getting better.

Galloway can't hit iron even when he does shoot. He's bad period. Leal didn't even look for a shot out there. Guard play is gonna put IU in lower rung in Big10.

 

[steelyvan]

But then Ware, Reneau, and MM are all likely gone after this season so we'll need frontcourt players too. Woody gonna have to hit a grand slam in the portal.

based on this season so far, i can only envision Ware going to the NBA. Reneau and MM are not NBA caliber yet. and I wonder if they have enough athleticism for it. Now they may not be back to IU for other reasons.

 

[kkott]

Pretty sure it was exactly what you hoped to see more of. Gunn can’t guard.

?? I think Gunn is our best perimeter defender, and you don't think he can guard? He gets up on people and has quick feet and hands. I think he was hurt in the 2nd half.

 

[13thman]

Chicken and egg....if they were hitting more...they would be taking more.

If they were hitting more, they would be being guarded harder on the perimeter. So, no.

 

[Bucket Getter]

?? I think Gunn is our best perimeter defender, and you don't think he can guard? He gets up on people and has quick feet and hands. I think he was hurt in the 2nd half.

No. I'm sorry to disagree, but I absolutely do not think Gunn can guard. I'll agree about this though...he might be our best guard defender. That's a sobering thought if there ever was one.

 

[NOMORENIT]

Galloway had five assists and no turnovers. You only look at shooting stats?

Right now that is the huge hole in his game and the big weakness with the IU offense. Outside shooting. Galloway is a senior. He should be able to hit a jumpshot by now.

 

[Sir_Saucy]

Galloway can't hit iron even when he does shoot. He's bad period. Leal didn't even look for a shot out there. Guard play is gonna put IU in lower rung in Big10.

Seems like last year was a major outlier compared to his mid 20% 3 point shooting freshman and sophomore years.

 

[FormerRevMatt]

?? I think Gunn is our best perimeter defender, and you don't think he can guard? He gets up on people and has quick feet and hands. I think he was hurt in the 2nd half.

For all of his athleticism, you would think Gunn would be an elite defender, but he gets beaten off the dribble too easily right now.

In fact, it seems like all of IU's defenders do. It leads to massive over-helping on this team, and wide-open three point shots by the opposing team.

 

[NOMORENIT]

Seems like last year was a major outlier compared to his mid 20% 3 point shooting freshman and sophomore years.

he averaged only 2 3pt attempts a game making a about 45% or less than 50%. Not like he was attempting 8 to 10 a game. Seems like a great kid but the people in here seem to put him on a pedestal. He's hurting the team on the offensive end plain and simple.

 

[hickorytree1]

Right now that is the huge hole in his game and the big weakness with the IU offense. Outside shooting. Galloway is a senior. He should be able to hit a jumpshot by now.

Of course it is, that's not the point. He can produce without scoring from the outside. I wish he could, but likely not happening. I prayed for Chris Reynolds to hit outside shots, but to no avail.

 

[FormerRevMatt]

Of course it is, that's not the point. He can produce without scoring from the outside. I wish he could, but likely not happening. I prayed for Chris Reynolds to hit outside shots, but to no avail.

But the difference is that Reynolds was an elite defender with an ugly outside shot. I have no earthly idea why his shot was never fixed. It still looked relatively ugly when he left IU. Trey's shot doesn't look bad. I have no idea why it doesn't go in more often.

But the other difference is that on that IU team, Reynolds didn't NEED to score. They have P. Graham, G. Graham, Bailey and Leary who could score. It was OK to have a defensive specialist. This IU team needs Trey to score.

 

[kkott]

For all of his athleticism, you would think Gunn would be an elite defender, but he gets beaten off the dribble too easily right now.

In fact, it seems like all of IU's defenders do. It leads to massive over-helping on this team, and wide-open three point shots by the opposing team.

I agree all our guards struggle to contain their man on drives, but I still think Gunn is the best of the bunch and is our best perimeter defender.

 

[steelyvan]

Kansas will drive hard to the rim on virtually every play to score or break us down. and they are good enough to not care if Reneau and Ware are providing help.

 

[T.M.P.]

Kansas will drive hard to the rim on virtually every play to score or break us down. and they are good enough to not care if Reneau and Ware are providing help.

Do you guys just make up bullshit scenarios to worry about?

Why?

 

[bailey777]

where are mm and reneau going

MM will not be back regardless of if he gets drafter or not. One was he is one and done no matter what.

 

[steelyvan]

Do you guys just make up bullshit scenarios to worry about?

Why?

because ive seen them do it year after year.
if you were coaching against IU, what would you have your team do?

 

[CriticArisen]

Schifino played in his first NBA game-11 minutes in blowout loss to Philly and 0-3.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

Just a thing on the innernet.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

Galloway can't hit iron even when he does shoot. He's bad period. Leal didn't even look for a shot out there. Guard play is gonna put IU in lower rung in Big10.

This. IUs group of guards is bottom 4-5ish in the conference at best. The front line will have to lead IU to middle of the pack or better.