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Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney
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Lol. That the best you got. Get out of your mama's basement and see how the world actually works
Doesn't this abolish tax breaks Disney has enjoyed since 67? If this is true then they will make it up.
Glad to hear that, danc. I worry about the quality, though, because you seem generally miserable.
Peace.
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In the end, it will either be other people in the county paying for it or people paying even more to go to disney.
I wish more people thought like you do. If government causes a business to pay more taxes then they will pass it onto the consumer. Now what happens if Disney raises their prices and less people go there because they can't afford it? Then you could say government had a hand in it. We see this all the time when government raises taxes on the federal level. Businesses and corporations factor taxes into their business plan. As you say the consumer ends up paying for it in the end.
WTF is going on! A conservative posting that they wish more people would think like Hickory.
The end is near.
on that one issue. Of course he could be right about some others as well.
I would say that you should just look at how the discussion around this bill is being framed. Those referring to it as the “Don’t say gay” bill are the zealots. That is deliberately dishonest language meant to offer your opponent the least charitable possible view of their position.
Trump was a horrible president but you can’t deny that he exposed the media.
Yes, it's one of the few times the Dems have been able to frame the discussion to their advantage. The Pubs have that down to a science.
A zealot can wear any political stripe. I was responding to a specific post wherein the poster listed certain far right posters.
Don't you worry your pretty little head about me. I'm retired, have plenty of time and money to travel and do the things I want (including going to all IU football home games, some away games, and as many basketball games as I can - and have season tickets to both), have grandkids I take to daycare every day, help support my 92 year old mother, and have been married to the same woman for 42 years this year.
Yeah, I'm real miserable.
Unbeknownst to Hickory and Van, they are making the case for not taxing corporations.
Sort of, but the devil is in the details.
Disney pays property taxes, a ton of them. But they get do get breaks on taxes that are earmarked to cover certain essential services, like fire, ambulance, water, sewer, road maintenence, building code enforcement, and other stuff. So yes, there was a deal cut so that Disney has their own fire department, water treatment facility, emergency services, building code enforcement, etc. Disney was a planned development so they built all of that in to their infrastructure. They spend a ton of money for such services, and by all accounts, it is all run very well.
What this does is demand that Disney no longer run all of those things themselves. So the county will have to do it all, and the taxpayers will pay for the transition. Disney will pay more in taxes, sure, but this creates this huge bureauocracy where the former Disney employess are out of a job, presumably to become county employees, with lesser benefits, lesser pay, and probably providing lesser quality services.
It's shuffling of the deck chairs. The change will be messy, costly to taxpayers, Disney will by most analyses spend less not more, and for lesser services.
But it makes DeSantis look good to people who don't bother to understand what it is really about.
Exposed the media for what? For foolishly giving him outsized coverage and millions of dollars in free advertising for most of his adult life?
And after multiple bankruptcies and becoming little more than a punchline, Trump experienced two life-changing events. Daddy Trump died and left him a fortune and, perhaps more importantly, NBC came calling with The Apprentice. Suddenly he was successful, relevant and in the news again, and he was able to leverage that on a crazy ride to the White House.
The media (and Fred's wealth) made Trump.
Yeah that doesn’t wash with me. Both sides have their own outlets that will frame it to suit their purposes. We have discussed this ad nauseum but the Democrats obviously hold more power as it relates to traditional media.
I was one of the “far right” posters that was mentioned. Although those are your words, not Mcm’s, which is fine that characterization doesn’t really bother me. You don’t really have a clue how much I or any of the other posters mentioned have considered the other sides opinion and arguments as it relates to Disney/ the parental rights bill, but it didn’t stop you from characterizing us as zealots.
Orange county / Orlando is also a heavy Democratic county, so DeSantis sticking it to those taxpayers isn't something he worries too much about. There are enough rubes in the other counties to not realize that he isn't some hero, padding state coffers with "missing" Disney tax dollars. That it is all smoke and mirrors.
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As to who holds more power as it relates to traditional media, do you think it is the number of media stations or the number of viewers that matter most in determining power?
I think it could be argued that it is number of viewers. Given the amount of conservative posters that come on this board and regurgitate the exact same code words used by their propaganda, I'd say their media has very good control over their viewers.
That's not even getting into the complete dominance that conservatives have over the radio stations. I think you're selling your side short in the amount of propaganda they are capable of shoveling.
I was not specifically characterizing anyone. I was more generally describing those who see the culture wars as real wars that require winning. And yes, there are zealots of the other side of many of these issues. I just don’t believe that zealots will win these wars and they certainly won’t help solve any problems.
I think it’s important to keep in mind the bill that sparked all of this, which was aimed only at protecting parents rights to have a voice in what their children are taught.
In the abstract, no one should have any issue with that. At least, not in my opinion. Was the bill necessary? Probably not, but unnecessary laws are passed all the time.
My question for Disney is why are you vowing to fight in court what a clear majority of the people in your state and the nation support? What do you hope to gain? Are you so far gone in wokeness that you lost your common sense?
I think there are faults to be found in both sides, but Disney has no business saying anything about this so I don’t feel a bit sorry for them.
The bill is really poorly written. All we hear about, officially, is the language on not teaching Kindergartners through 3rd graders anything sexual. Indeed, that seems OK. There is also, however, blanket language applying to all Florida public schools, mandating that teaching be age appropriate for all, with decisions left up to parents.
Do you really want parents choosing what novels their kid's 12th grade English teacher can have in class? Out with Of Mice and Men, The Great Gatsby, Huckleberry Finn, The Outsiders, The Bluest Eye, and in with The Art of the Deal and the latest junk by Sean Hannity.
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This is all part of grievance politics and the "victim" mentality that Trump perfected and his faithful continue to practice. "The left-wing media controls the national narrative and they're drowning us out!"
AM Talk Radio, at least where I live, is almost exclusively right and far-right. Fox News, the most-watched cable news channel, is obviously right. There are at least as many influential podcasters on the right as are on the left. Same with bloggers and social media influencers.
Sure, ABC, NBC and CBS are left-leaning, but who (under the age of 60) even gets their news from those sources anymore? The New York Times doesn't have nearly the influence it once did. Neither does the Washington Post. Or Time. Or Newsweek.
The "left wing media dominance" theme is a myth, but it's red meat for the base and keeps them angry and engaged.
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, 60 Minutes, Saturday Night Live, Late Night Shows - I mean if you carve those out...lmao
Honestly, Disney should just make a movie depicting Desantis and his crew and call it ‘Snowflake and the Millions of Sheeple.”
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Fox News, News Max, OANN, Truth Social (LMAO), The Federalist, The Epoch Times, Breitbart, American Thinker, Townhall, Liberty Nation, Washington Free Beacon, The Blaze, Twitchy, RedState, Life Site News, Just the News, The Gateway Pundit, PJ Media, Washington Examiner, ZeroHedge, American Spectator, Reason, Washington Times, Judicial Watch, National Review, Real Clear Politics, Media Research Center, Western Journal, Gab....
Mhmmm. I've never heard of most of these and you are comparing them to Abc, nbc, cbs, nyt, and wash post - just cementing yourself as the dumbest poster on this board. To allege that the media isn't dominated by the left is to ignore reality.
Anyone who claims to have never heard of Fox News, News Max, OANN, The Federalist, Breitbart, Washington Times, Judicial Watch, National Review (among a few others) is not being honest.
Don't forget Google and Twitter. without them, Trump wins the election.
His argument is ridiculous.
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Yea a lot of them are smaller but Fox News is bigger than anything liberals have. You didn't want to compare size of viewership when it was just the main news stations but now it matters when we throw in all of the smaller players?
Movin' the goal posts
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Trump loses regardless. Nice try. I voted for Biden cause Twitter and Google told me to.. LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Fox News has about as many viewers as MSNBC and CNN combined but until I brought all the small news places they have, they didn't want to compare viewership. It was all about the number of stations. Now size matters when it is brought up that conservatives have more than just Fox News.
It's a weak excuse as the conservative messaging is most definitely not being subdued. For it to be a media controlled influence there has to be no other to very little other options, which is definitely not the case right now.
I believe a person develops their ideology via their life experiences (family, social experiences). The media a person chooses just confirms what they already believe. It's not 'converting' blank slates into liberal warriors. That's nearly impossible with having media options in this country. Like any menu, a person picks what already lines up with their personal belief.
Conservative ideology is currently a minority ideology and it's shrinking as more old conservatives die off and are replaced by the younger generation which seems to be more liberal as a collective as the younger generations are typically more diverse than the ones before it, and those families tend to be liberal in general.
This isn't new. Conservatives have won what, two presidential general elections in the past 34 years (Bush sr in 88 and Bush Jr in 04) and the losses keep getting wider and wider.
So what to do? How does a minority ideology work in a democracy?
It doesn't and it's not supposed to.
Which is why the right has gotten much more extreme, much more violent in tone, have turned to faux celebrities who have no idea how to govern but have a celebrity name for elections because the power brokers behind the conservative message no longer have any interest in actually governing in a democratic way.
It's why I feel the threat of an authoritarian takeover by the right isn't as crazy of an idea as it was fifteen years ago.
I haven’t been able to find what blanket language you’re referring to wrt high school texts being chosen by parents. I’ve linked to a summary of the bill from the Florida senates website. Maybe you can show me.
2022 Bill Summaries - The Florida Senate
www.flsenate.gov
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Says the person crying about how this board has turned into a cesspool but contributes just as much as anyone here to the name-calling and liking posts of other conservatives partaking in the name-calling.
You can't see past your propaganda. Use that thing on top of your head and maybe you could see some of your opinions don't pass the smell test.
