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Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

It is interesting that when Twitter or Facebook ban someone, they cry about the first amendment even though they aren't government.

Not a peep though when the actual government retaliates against disney
 
It's one more example of a political power play that is so outrageous as to be unimaginable previously, so unimaginable that they will get away with it. It ranks right up there with what McConnell did with Garland.
Maybe he’s just ”taking off the gloves” as you’ve advocated previously…
 
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It's one more example of a political power play that is so outrageous as to be unimaginable previously, so unimaginable that they will get away with it. It ranks right up there with what McConnell did with Garland.
What exactly do you suggest that conservative politicians do? Let multinational, billion dollar corporations chastise and undermine them until they are diminished to nothing? I know you would like that, but it isn’t reasonable.

Disney ****ed around and found out. Now they won’t do it again. A few more of these corporations get bloodied and they’ll start to realize that market power and political repercussions work both ways.

Drawing the red line between individual consumers, voting with their dollars and politicians who are voted in by those same consumers is so weak as to be laughable. Get out of my face clown.
 
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What exactly do you suggest that conservative politicians do? Let multinational, billion dollar corporations chastise and undermine them until they are diminished to nothing? I know you would like that, but it isn’t reasonable.

Disney ****ed around and found out. Now they won’t do it again. A few more of these corporations get bloodied and they’ll start to realize that market power works both ways.

Drawing the red line between individual consumers, voting with their dollars and politicians who are voted in by those same consumers is so weak as to be laughable. Get out of my face clown.

How is having a differing opinion undermining them?

So whenever fox news spews their bs about Biden, they are undermining him and he should have laws enacted that are meant to hurt fox news.

Funny how you don't care about the first amendment now. Or rather disturbing
 
It's one more example of a political power play that is so outrageous as to be unimaginable previously, so unimaginable that they will get away with it. It ranks right up there with what McConnell did with Garland.
Unless they go to court. It's a clear 1st violation. It's not even close. But that's where we are - no different than vaccine mandates from Biden or eviction stays
 
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Unless they go to court. It's a clear 1st violation. It's not even close. But that's where we are - no different than mask mandates from Biden or eviction stays
Mask mandates weren't aimed at specific people or organizations that disagreed with biden so not sure how you think it is no different. There was nothing illegal about mask mandates.
 
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Mask mandates weren't aimed at specific people or organizations that disagreed with biden so not sure how you think it is no different. There was nothing illegal about mask mandates.
I didn't mean masks. I meant vaccine mandates
 
Still no comparison.
Depends on your perspective. Housing as well. And I don't mean political bent. I mean knowingly circumventing the law as president. You either uphold it, or you don't. The housing extension was patently unconstitutional. So you have a president who knowingly did something against the law. And he did it to placate Cori Bush and to pander to the progressives.

No different than DeSantis
 
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He does. He's just being stupid for the sake of arguing.

Actually he's desperately trying to change the subject or wuttabout because unless he truly believes that businesses do not have 1st amendment protection from a retaliating government, there's not much to argue about in this example.

The right might not agree with Disney's take and they are free to not give them money or to try to publicly convince others to not give them money, but cheering on government to pick and choose to punish and retaliate specific businesses for having a dissuading opinion is yet another preview of an authoritarian mindset that the extreme right is turning to, ie the culture war fears.
You give him way too much credit. Based on his response to me, it's clear he has no clue that businesses have First Amendment protection.

But you're right. He moves the goalposts like no one else, and his arguments are almost always fallacious.
 
Depends on your perspective. Housing as well. And I don't mean political bent. I mean knowingly circumventing the law as president. You either uphold it, or you don't. The housing extension was patently unconstitutional. So you have a president who knowingly did something against the law. And he did it to placate Cori Bush and to pander to the progressives.

No different than DeSantis
The huge difference is in the motive. One is Florida punishing dissent. The other is not that. Even if we grant that it was obviously unconstitutional, we're still talking about two wildly different things.
 
The huge difference is in the motive. One is Florida punishing dissent. The other is not that. Even if we grant that it was obviously unconstitutional, we're still talking about two wildly different things.
Kind of, but there are elements of scoring political points to both. I don't think Biden's motive was purely altruistic. And principles are principles. Biden took an oath. Many believe in the stance DeSantis is taking, and the public good attendant to same
 
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Kind of, but there are elements of scoring political points to both. I don't think Biden's motive was purely altruistic. And principles are principles. Biden took an oath. Many believe in the stance DeSantis is taking, and the public good attendant to same
Sure, in those contexts, you can definitely draw some similarities. Strictly in response to the FA issues brought up in this thread, though, I think the analogy doesn't quite land.
 
Sure, in those contexts, you can definitely draw some similarities. Strictly in response to the FA issues brought up in this thread, though, I think the analogy doesn't quite land.
Circumventing/ignoring the constitution for political gain. That's the thread that binds
 
No, just suggesting scenarios where Disney could begin to unwind from Orlando if it did become practical.

I'd add there's another stakeholder besides shareholders that corporations respond to and that's employees. Modern CEOs have to look in the eye of employees who care deeply about these issues. That's not going to change.
One, they’ll never leave. Their sunk costs are titanic.

Two, I’d bet the average Disney employee doesn’t give a rats ass, but their high-minded Woke creative management is sure gonna speak up for them.
 
and? Disney is just going to abandon the billions of existing investment in fixed assets?

Of course they aren’t. This isn’t something that can get picked up and moved like a corporate HQ
And, to support your point, I read that Disney is the largest private employer in Florida. Both sides have reasons for Disney to stay there.
 
If a dem made a law motivated by revenge, then the conservatives in this thread would be seeing how wrong it is but as normal it is more about what side did it rather than what was done.
 
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If a dem made a law motivated by revenge, then the conservatives in this thread would be seeing how wrong it is but as normal it is more about what side did it rather than what was done.
Revenge is how you color it. To some, hoodatguy, crazy, stoll, etc, it's fighting back against a wave of behavior that is deleterious to the country. It's honorable behavior.

DeSantis is doing something right. Compare New York, Calif, Illinois population changes to Fla. politics isn't all of it, but it's part of it, both directly and indirectly

It's a matter of opinion and perspective - the latter you lack the bandwidth to understand and appreciate
 
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Revenge is how you color it. To some, hoodatguy, crazy, stoll, etc, it's fighting back against a wave of behavior that is deleterious to the country. It's honorable behavior.

DeSantis is doing something right. Compare New York, Calif, Illinois population changes to Fla. politics isn't all of it, but it's part of it, both directly and indirectly

It's a matter of opinion and perspective - the latter you lack the bandwidth to understand and appreciate
Everyone believes their position is right and just. The difference between the moderate and the zealot is the ability to see and appreciate the other sides POV. Those on the right treating these issues as a war don’t care what anyone else thinks, even if they are in the minority on an issue. They are right and just and the opposition must be destroyed.
 
He does. He's just being stupid for the sake of arguing.

Actually he's desperately trying to change the subject or wuttabout because unless he truly believes that businesses do not have 1st amendment protection from a retaliating government, there's not much to argue about in this example.

The right might not agree with Disney's take and they are free to not give them money or to try to publicly convince others to not give them money, but cheering on government to pick and choose to punish and retaliate specific businesses for having a dissuading opinion is yet another preview of an authoritarian mindset that the extreme right is turning to, ie the culture war fears.
Go look up Lois Lerner, goober. Talk about "cheering on government to pick and choose to punish and retaliate specific businesses for having a dissuading opinion."

You guys crack me up with your self-righteousness.
 
It's one more example of a political power play that is so outrageous as to be unimaginable previously, so unimaginable that they will get away with it. It ranks right up there with what McConnell did with Garland.
What, the Democrats don't have enough lawyers to challenge the law in the Supreme Court?
 
How is having a differing opinion undermining them?

So whenever fox news spews their bs about Biden, they are undermining him and he should have laws enacted that are meant to hurt fox news.

Funny how you don't care about the first amendment now. Or rather disturbing
Why don't you appeal to your state and local government and say you want to be exept from taxes; that you'll maintain your own property and the sidewalk and streets in front of your house.

See how far that gets you.
 
Unless they go to court. It's a clear 1st violation. It's not even close. But that's where we are - no different than vaccine mandates from Biden or eviction stays
Mandates are fine if Democrats do it.

Pass a legal law that offends Democrats and they scream like scalded cats.
 
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You give him way too much credit. Based on his response to me, it's clear he has no clue that businesses have First Amendment protection.

But you're right. He moves the goalposts like no one else, and his arguments are almost always fallacious.
Who is stopping them from exercising their 1st Amendment rights?

Your strawman argument is ridiculous.
 
The huge difference is in the motive. One is Florida punishing dissent. The other is not that. Even if we grant that it was obviously unconstitutional, we're still talking about two wildly different things.
Telling a corporation to pay its taxes is punishing dissent?

You are out of your freaking mind.
 
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Telling a corporation to pay its taxes is punishing dissent?

You are out of your freaking mind.

Disney comes out against don't say gay law and this follows afterwards...

Yup, not punishing dissent at all LMAO
 
Mandates are fine if Democrats do it.

Pass a legal law that offends Democrats and they scream like scalded cats.

I was fine with Holcombs mask Mandate as well.

Nice try
 
Who is stopping them from exercising their 1st Amendment rights?

Your strawman argument is ridiculous.
You still don't understand the issue. Amazing.

I see you've fired off a bunch of posts in a row, mostly in response to people who I'm sure you perceive as "the enemy." Feel better now, danc?
 
You still don't understand the issue. Amazing.

I see you've fired off a bunch of posts in a row, mostly in response to people who I'm sure you perceive as "the enemy." Feel better now, danc?
Yep, your post really contributed a lot to a Anonymous political board!
 
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You still don't understand the issue. Amazing.

I see you've fired off a bunch of posts in a row, mostly in response to people who I'm sure you perceive as "the enemy." Feel better now, danc?
Yeah, I have a life, unlike you Bowel. I do other things during the day and post when I have time.

You're not the enemy - you're not smart enough to be my enemy. You're more like a pimple on Hickory's ass.
 
Yeah, I have a life, unlike you Bowel. I do other things during the day and post when I have time.

You're not the enemy - you're not smart enough to be my enemy. You're more like a pimple on Hickory's ass.
Danc don’t reply to him , he’s a bigot!
 
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Danc don’t reply to him , he’s a bigot!
Oh, I can't ignore ol' Bowelmania - he's the reason I'm on this board in the first place.

He begged me to start posting here, so here I am!
 
Any mother trucker guy trans that wants to enter my daughters bathroom can go f*ck themselves. K. I find it odd that we are having such a f*cked up conversation eppy.
This conservative lawmaker seems to be okay with it.

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