Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

[TommyCracker]

on that one issue. Of course he could be right about some others as well.

Be careful Van. You've posted some disparaging things about democrats and our current president.

Looks like we're now cool with government possibly singling you and your church out and stripping away your religious tax exempt status in retaliation....again only for your church, not every church.... because you of your anti Biden posting history.

That's basically what the mad king Desantis is doing here to the cheers of many in the alt-right.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Anyone who claims to have never heard of Fox News, News Max, OANN, The Federalist, Breitbart, Washington Times, Judicial Watch, National Review (among a few others) is not being honest.

... "most of these" not all

 

[mcmurtry66]

It's a weak excuse as the conservative messaging is most definitely not being subdued. For it to be a media controlled influence there has to be no other to very little other options, which is definitely not the case right now.

I believe a person develops their ideology via their life experiences (family, social experiences). The media a person chooses just confirms what they already believe. It's not 'converting' blank slates into liberal warriors. That's nearly impossible with having media options in this country. Like any menu, a person picks what already lines up with their personal belief.

Conservative ideology is currently a minority ideology and it's shrinking as more old conservatives die off and are replaced by the younger generation which seems to be more liberal as a collective as the younger generations are typically more diverse than the ones before it, and those families tend to be liberal in general.

This isn't new. Conservatives have won what, two presidential general elections in the past 34 years (Bush sr in 88 and Bush Jr in 04) and the losses keep getting wider and wider.

So what to do? How does a minority ideology work in a democracy?

It doesn't and it's not supposed to.

Which is why the right has gotten much more extreme, much more violent in tone, have turned to faux celebrities who have no idea how to govern but have a celebrity name for elections because the power brokers behind the conservative message no longer have any interest in actually governing in a democratic way.

It's why I feel the threat of an authoritarian takeover by the right isn't as crazy of an idea as it was fifteen years ago.

Hyper partisan take

 

[outside shooter]

The bill prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.


see that? No age range specified for that last part.

I can hear you now..."Miss Marple, my 17-year-old son is much too sensitive for your liberal assignments of so-called literature, like "Of Mice and Men". This vulgar book appears, rightly so, on the American Library Association's list of the Most Challenged Books of the 21st Century. We demand it be replaced, as it it not age-appropriate for my tender boy's ears."

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yea a lot of them are smaller but Fox News is bigger than anything liberals have. You didn't want to compare size of viewership when it was just the main news stations but now it matters when we throw in all of the smaller players?

Movin' the goal posts

You are out of your mind if you think the breadth of those little ass sites you noted have any comparison to MAINSTREAM media

 

[mcmurtry66]

Says the person crying about how this board has turned into a cesspool but contributes just as much as anyone here to the name-calling and liking posts of other conservatives partaking in the name-calling.

You can't see past your propaganda. Use that thing on top of your head and maybe you could see some of your opinions don't pass the smell test.

Here dumbass. 7% identify as republican.

IU survey: U.S. journalists say they are less satisfied and have less autonomy

The reporters, editors and producers who put out the news every day are less satisfied with their work, say they have less autonomy in their work and tend to believe that journalism is headed in the wrong direction, according to the initial findings of "The American Journalist in the Digital...

archive.news.indiana.edu

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Says the person crying about how this board has turned into a cesspool but contributes just as much as anyone here to the name-calling and liking posts of other conservatives partaking in the name-calling.

You can't see past your propaganda. Use that thing on top of your head and maybe you could see some of your opinions don't pass the smell test.

^^^^This is a so thoroughly useless poster that it is possible to predict what he’ll post before he posts it.

And he’s lecturing others. 😂

 

[TommyCracker]

Hyper partisan take

I don't deny being a lib as much as I don't deny being horrified at what the dominant right had turned to and become.

As much as I won't deny the media of my choice is helping confirm my disgust, no doubt.

Convincing yourself that the media is 'converting' people into liberals in this country where there is a glutton of options to get the message you want to hear is weak BS.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

The bill prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.


see that?

And that language leads you to worry that Huckleberry Finn and the great gatsby will be banned for 12th graders? Seriously?

No, you’re not being serious, you’re being your normal hyper partisan self.

The bill could certainly have been worded better, but it’s not the doomsday scenario you people like to paint.

And you haven’t addressed why it’s appropriate for Disney to threaten the state with legal action over a bill which a majority of the state supports.

They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I don't deny being a lib as much as I don't deny being horrified at what the dominant right had turned to and become.

As much as I won't deny the media of my choice is helping confirm my disgust, no doubt.

Convincing yourself that the media is 'converting' people into liberals in this country where there is a glutton of options to get the message you want to hear is weak BS.

1) i am more horrified by the dominant left.
2) no one said anything about converting anyone. I said the composition. Don't misquote people chief

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Don't forget Google and Twitter. without them, Trump wins the election.

His argument is ridiculous.

And those 7 million more people who voted for Biden. Of course, if people keeping finding examples of election fraud, it's likely to grow to over 10 million.

 

[IUINSB]

^^^^This is a so thoroughly useless poster that it is possible to predict what he’ll post before he posts it.

And he’s lecturing others. 😂

Well, he's right. The board has become a cesspool of name calling. And he is no innocent.

BTW I thoroughly enjoy much of the name calling on both sides.

 

[DANC]

This is all part of grievance politics and the "victim" mentality that Trump perfected and his faithful continue to practice. "The left-wing media controls the national narrative and they're drowning us out!"

AM Talk Radio, at least where I live, is almost exclusively right and far-right. Fox News, the most-watched cable news channel, is obviously right. There are at least as many influential podcasters on the right as are on the left. Same with bloggers and social media influencers.

Sure, ABC, NBC and CBS are left-leaning, but who (under the age of 60) even gets their news from those sources anymore? The New York Times doesn't have nearly the influence it once did. Neither does the Washington Post. Or Time. Or Newsweek.

The "left wing media dominance" theme is a myth, but it's red meat for the base and keeps them angry and engaged.

Gosh, it's all Trump's fault! Who could have seen that coming?

"BC, NBC and CBS are left-leaning" Ya think? I know you purposely left off CNN and MSNBC because I know you watch them religously - you just don't want anyone to know.

 

[DANC]

Yea a lot of them are smaller but Fox News is bigger than anything liberals have. You didn't want to compare size of viewership when it was just the main news stations but now it matters when we throw in all of the smaller players?

Movin' the goal posts

One network against all the others? Yeah, that's a fair comparison.

You really are the dumbest poster on the board and it's not even close.

 

[DANC]

She must be a saint! Good for you!

I don't know about a saint, but she's very smart.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Fox News has about as many viewers as MSNBC and CNN combined but until I brought all the small news places they have, they didn't want to compare viewership. It was all about the number of stations. Now size matters when it is brought up that conservatives have more than just Fox News.

Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows

The media have drifted to the far left on the political spectrum. Yet again, a major study of media bias shows just how far from the center they are.

www.investors.com

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

^^^^This is a so thoroughly useless poster that it is possible to predict what he’ll post before he posts it.

And he’s lecturing others. 😂

Never said I didn't name call but it's generally in response to others calling me names.

I'm also not the poster that complained about it being a cesspool while partaking in the very thing making it a cesspool.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

One network against all the others? Yeah, that's a fair comparison.

You really are the dumbest poster on the board and it's not even close.

Conservatives have more than just Fox News.

I'll never be the dumbest poster when you're around

 

[Bowlmania]

It's why I feel the threat of an authoritarian takeover by the right isn't as crazy of an idea as it was fifteen years ago.

You've made some great points in your post. And, with respect to your last sentence, I would go one step further. Not only is the threat "less crazy" of an idea than it was 15 years ago, I'd say it's a distinct possibility in the next 10 years. There are millions of people in this country who no longer value American democracy, and many in that group would like to see it gone. This includes influential elected officials and power brokers with cash.

This is what will drive my vote in the next several election cycles.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Never said I didn't name call but it's generally in response to others calling me names.

I'm also not the poster that complained about it being a cesspool while partaking in the very thing making it a cesspool.

I don't mind name calling. It's the dumbing down of the board by posters like yourself who are dumber than shit. There's not a single body of knowledge you bring to the board. Not one. Not in any area or field. There's not a single thread you enhance with insight or knowledge. What you bring is hyper partisan yabbuts devoid of substance. Name calling isn't ideal but it's preferable to stupidity

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Here dumbass. 7% identify as republican.

IU survey: U.S. journalists say they are less satisfied and have less autonomy

The reporters, editors and producers who put out the news every day are less satisfied with their work, say they have less autonomy in their work and tend to believe that journalism is headed in the wrong direction, according to the initial findings of "The American Journalist in the Digital...

archive.news.indiana.edu

Can't refrain from name-calling. Shocking. Anything newer than 8 years ago?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Conservatives have more than just Fox News.

I'll never be the dumbest poster when you're around

Did you read the IU survey. 7 percent identify as republicans. That's it.

Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows

The media have drifted to the far left on the political spectrum. Yet again, a major study of media bias shows just how far from the center they are.

www.investors.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

Can't refrain from name-calling. Shocking. Anything newer than 8 years ago?

Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows

The media have drifted to the far left on the political spectrum. Yet again, a major study of media bias shows just how far from the center they are.

www.investors.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

Can't refrain from name-calling. Shocking. Anything newer than 8 years ago?

Chuck Todd is dead wrong: Liberal bias defines modern journalism

How would Todd also explain that 84 percent of those polled by Gallup say the news media bears responsibility for partisan division in this country?

thehill.com

 

[DANC]

You've made some great points in your post. And, with respect to your last sentence, I would go one step further. Not only is the threat "less crazy" of an idea than it was 15 years ago, I'd say it's a distinct possibility in the next 10 years. There are millions of people in this country who no longer value American democracy, and many in that group would like to see it gone. This includes influential elected officials and power brokers with cash.

This is what will drive my vote in the next several election cycles.

That's the new talking point. Conservatives want to do away with democracy.

Well, it's not really new, but it's all you have left after your leftist pals have been exposed for the corrupt liars and scumbags they are.

No evidence of it, of course. But that's never stopped you from claiming something that has no basis in fact before.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Can't refrain from name-calling. Shocking. Anything newer than 8 years ago?

Report: Journalists Are Miserable, Liberal, Over-Educated, Under-Paid, Middle-Aged Men

Mostly

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Indianaftw]

And those 7 million more people who voted for Biden. Of course, if people keeping finding examples of election fraud, it's likely to grow to over 10 million.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Can't refrain from name-calling. Shocking. Anything newer than 8 years ago?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/03/why-your-flight-attendant-is-probably-a-democrat/

 

[TommyCracker]

Did you read the IU survey. 7 percent identify as republicans. That's it.

Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows

The media have drifted to the far left on the political spectrum. Yet again, a major study of media bias shows just how far from the center they are.

www.investors.com

Your link also said reporters and editors feel they don't have autonomy in their positions.

So that kindof cuts the personal bias at the knees.

I'll also admit I have no clue what is being taught at Ernie Pyle these days, but in the mid 90's journalism was governed by oaths to try to focus on the story, not the bias.

I'll admit the return of 'yellow journalism' tactics led by the conservative media movement (from Rush to now Tucker) that maybe the profession has fought fire with fire.

There sure seems to be a lot of bellyaching about it.

Regardless, it's a losing argument in this country with the amount of options that are available.

It makes more sense in an authoritarian regime vs an open democracy where there is only one message allowed.

 

[Bowlmania]

Fox News, News Max, OANN, Truth Social (LMAO), The Federalist, The Epoch Times, Breitbart, American Thinker, Townhall, Liberty Nation, Washington Free Beacon, The Blaze, Twitchy, RedState, Life Site News, Just the News, The Gateway Pundit, PJ Media, Washington Examiner, ZeroHedge, American Spectator, Reason, Washington Times, Judicial Watch, National Review, Real Clear Politics, Media Research Center, Western Journal, Gab....

I'll take just one from your list, the Epoch Times. I had guys literally trying to force print copies into my hands as I'd be leaving work several years back. Its parent company, Epoch Media Group, is huge and hugely influential. In just one month, April 2019, ads and videos from EMG (which includes New Tang Dynasty as well as the Epoch Times) totaled 3 billion views on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. That ranked it 11th among all video creators and ahead of all traditional news publishers.

I know the Water Cooler demographic tends to be older, but there are some guys here with an understanding of media that appears to be stuck in the 20th century.

And that's the way it is. Good night, Chet. Good night, David.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Your link also said reporters and editors feel they don't have autonomy in their positions.

So that kindof cuts the personal bias at the knees.

I'll also admit I have no clue what is being taught at Ernie Pyle these days, but in the mid 90's journalism was governed by oaths to try to focus on the story, not the bias.

I'll admit the return of 'yellow journalism' tactics led by the conservative media movement (from Rush to now Tucker) that maybe the profession has fought fire with fire.

There sure seems to be a lot of bellyaching about it.

Regardless, it's a losing argument in this country with the amount of options that are available.

It makes more sense in an authoritarian regime vs an open democracy where there is only one message allowed.

It's not a losing argument when the maintstream media, what were once perceived as stalwart networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, 60 minutes are under the gun as being biased. 7 percent identify as Republican. What's more if we USE OUR OWN HEAD (don't bother Hickory) it only makes sense to believe that there is a liberal bias. As I linked above journalism is considered a liberal profession. Academia is liberal. Liberal students going to liberal schools studying a liberal subject to go to work in large newsrooms in liberal cities where most of them reside (THE NEW YORK TIMES/WASHINGTON POST) will likely lean left. This is common sense. I read one reporter that said these big news rooms are essentially 20 - 1 liberals to conservatives.

Go to a big brokerage firm. You will find the opposite. Conservatives will dominate. That the media is bent left is reality and comports with what we should expect

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

View embedded media

Yes, please! Split the price 4 ways with Rudy G., Sidney Powell, and Mike Lindell.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'll take just one from your list, the Epoch Times. I had guys literally trying to force print copies into my hands as I'd be leaving work a few years back. Its parent company, Epoch Media Group, is huge and hugely influential. In just one month, April 2019, ads and videos from EMG (which includes New Tang Dynasty as well as the Epoch Times) totaled 3 billion views on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. That ranked it 11th among all video creators and ahead of all traditional news publishers.

I know the Water Cooler demographic tends to be older, but there are some guys here with an understanding of media that appears to be stuck in the 20th century.

And that's the way it is. Good night, Chet. Good night, David.

LMAO have you paid any attention to why Musk is buying Twitter? There's a reason why the liberals are pissed....

 

[TommyCracker]

It's not a losing argument when the maintstream media, what were once perceived as stalwart networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, 60 minutes are under the gone. 7 percent identify as Republican. What's more if we USE OUR OWN HEAD (don't bother Hickory) it only makes sense to believe that there is a liberal bias. As I linked above journalism is considered a liberal profession. Academia is liberal. Liberal students going to liberal schools studying a liberal subject to go to work in large newsrooms in liberal cities where most of them reside (THE NEW YORK TIMES/WASHINGTON POST) will likely lean left. This is common sense. I read one reporter that said these big news rooms are essentially 20 - 1 liberals to conservatives.

Go to a big brokerage firm. You will find the opposite. Conservatives will dominate. That the media is bent left is reality and comports with what we should expect

I don't doubt those numbers and logic.

I'm doubting their true influence because, again, there is a massive amount of right wing media organizations and right wing narratives that are reaching conservatives.

That wouldn't be the case if the media was a 20-1 mix.

Anecdotally I have three main wolf packs.... Minnesota, Arizona and So Indiana. I actually use this forum to prep me for my beer conversations because the same right wing points/arguments are brought up in those conversations that are brought up here (this forum is really useful for prep btw as even though we are predominantly white male over 35, there's at least a spectrum of ideologies on here), even though these wolf packs are separated by miles and miles.

I guess I believe family and life experiences impact your political beliefs at it's core than the media.

The media however is amazing for amplifying a person's preset political beliefs.

 

[Cortez88]

I think it’s important to keep in mind the bill that sparked all of this, which was aimed only at protecting parents rights to have a voice in what their children are taught.

In the abstract, no one should have any issue with that. At least, not in my opinion. Was the bill necessary? Probably not, but unnecessary laws are passed all the time.

My question for Disney is why are you vowing to fight in court what a clear majority of the people in your state and the nation support? What do you hope to gain? Are you so far gone in wokeness that you lost your common sense?

I think there are faults to be found in both sides, but Disney has no business saying anything about this so I don’t feel a bit sorry for them.

I wasn’t talking about this bill specifically. In fact, from what I know about the bill, I don’t have an issue with it.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I don't doubt those numbers and logic.

I'm doubting their true influence because, again, there is a massive amount of right wing media organizations and right wing narratives that are reaching conservatives.

That wouldn't be the case if the media was a 20-1 mix.

Anecdotally I have three main wolf packs.... Minnesota, Arizona and So Indiana. I actually use this forum to prep me for my beer conversations because the same right wing points/arguments are brought up in those conversations that are brought up here (this forum is really useful for prep btw as even though we are predominantly white male over 35, there's at least a spectrum of ideologies on here), even though these wolf packs are separated by miles and miles.

I guess I believe family and life experiences impact your political beliefs at it's core than the media.

The media however is amazing for amplifying a person's preset political beliefs.

How media shapes our political beliefs is a different matter. I don't know the answer to that question. I was only opining to the fact that media, taken as a whole, leans left. Again what impact that has I don't know. Things like equal time and the fairness doctrine I guess have been usurped by the quanity of outlets. I'm not sure increasing quantity has done us any favors. I'm not sure telling Republicans to go watch Fox is a boon to anyone if all it does is reinforce predilections - same holds for Dems. My suspicion is that the media, and Hollywood, which clearly lean left as evidenced by the numerous articles I've linked, publish what they want to publish. They publish what is congruent with their predilections, both in how they cover and what they cover.

 

[Univee2]

I love it when leftists go pro-corporation!

Just wait until they start hating on public service unions.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I don't mind name calling. It's the dumbing down of the board by posters like yourself who are dumber than shit. There's not a single body of knowledge you bring to the board. Not one. Not in any area or field. There's not a single thread you enhance with insight or knowledge. What you bring is hyper partisan yabbuts devoid of substance. Name calling isn't ideal but it's preferable to stupidity

Hickory doesn’t even offer opinions aside from conservatives/republicans/Trump bad.

I’m not the smartest guy in the world but I at least make an effort to debate things on their merits.

 

[Univee2]

The bill prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.


see that? No age range specified for that last part.

I can hear you now..."Miss Marple, my 17-year-old son is much too sensitive for your liberal assignments of so-called literature, like "Of Mice and Men". This vulgar book appears, rightly so, on the American Library Association's list of the Most Challenged Books of the 21st Century. We demand it be replaced, as it it not age-appropriate for my tender boy's ears."

Students have been too sensitive about prayer in schools, the pledge of allegiance, the flag, the National Anthem and stone cold tater tots.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I’m not the smartest guy in the world but I at least make an effort to debate things on their merits.