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Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

IDK man...Florida is not going to put up with the removal of boys and girls and ladies and gentleman. There are other serious issues that crazy has pointed out as well. I'm glad Desantis is saying ENOUGH! This BS new agenda needs halted. Its not good for anything except CONFUSION and we all know who is the author of that.
Do you have any idea what a wedge issue is? The Utah Republican Governor was just over ruled by his Republican House members on the "scary" trans issue. Tennessee I think has the same statistics. I'll have to look at FLA but I would assume it's the same numbers

1. Question: how many Trans HS students are there in the whole state of Utah?
Answer: 3
2. Question: how many Trans athletes are there in the whole state of Utah?
Answer: 1


Desantes just wants to rile up his EXTREME base for votes.
 
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No, dumbass. You replied to your own post.

Reading a thread must be beyond your comprehension.
Wow. You say what you think you need to say in order to have a controversy.

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Do you have any idea what a wedge issue is? The Utah Republican Governor was just over ruled by his Republican House members on the "scary" trans issue. Tennessee I think has the same statistics. I'll have to look at FLA but I would assume it's the same numbers

1. Question: how many Trans HS students are there in the whole state of Utah?
Answer: 3
2. Question: how many Trans athletes are there in the whole state of Utah?
Answer: 1


Desantes just wants to rile up his EXTREME base for votes.
If there are so few trans, then why bring it up? I think that's the point of the Florida law - stop talking about something that only affects a few mentally unstable people.
 
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You said you're worried about losing our democracy.

Then you quoted a politician, but lied by not including his entire quote.

His quote was factually correct and now you're butt-hurt because he's right, and now you're embarrassed that you made a statement that any simpleton knows isn't true - the US isn't a true democracy and never has been, by design.

You really do need to take a civics class or have some else explain it to you. You've closed your mind to anything I write.
The insanity never ends with you. Neither does the lying. Actually, they're probably part and parcel of the same condition.

I quoted Mike Lee's tweet of October 8, 2020 in its entirety. I have no idea where the language you cited came from, or if he even said it. If it's an actual quote, it was probably an attempt at damage control after the firestorm created by his tweet.

He was wrong and so are you. I don't think you're stupid. I think you're disoriented. You confused Pete Buttigieg with Ron DeSantis the other day. (Newsflash: They're not at all alike). You thought Kamala Harris was Vice President on January 6, 2021. Your "logic" in this thread is mind-numbing. You probably don't remember what you had for dinner tonight. For the love of God, don't get lost driving your grandkids around.
 
Do you have any idea what a wedge issue is? The Utah Republican Governor was just over ruled by his Republican House members on the "scary" trans issue. Tennessee I think has the same statistics. I'll have to look at FLA but I would assume it's the same numbers

1. Question: how many Trans HS students are there in the whole state of Utah?
Answer: 3
2. Question: how many Trans athletes are there in the whole state of Utah?
Answer: 1


Desantes just wants to rile up his EXTREME base for votes.
Where in the hell did you get those numbers. Here in Indianapolis and surrounding regarding trans and lgtbq its prolly in the hundreds maybe more. Idk bout athletes and it shouldn't be up for discussion. DeSantis has little kids. He and every other sane thinking citizen don't want that shit in kids minds. Or taught to them to get them thinking about it. What's wrong with you. I'm beginning to think Bloomington is a shithole, extremist, pedo town wtf. Anyone defending teaching k-3 about this crap needs to off themselves. Damn.
 
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Stop it. Conservative ideology isn’t going away and neither is the Republican Party. It’s never been easier for young people to be exposed to conservative thought and it’s one of the reasons why the left is losing their shit over Twitter. They use to be able to control more of the messaging, but that’s no longer the case with social media. By the way it’s a good thing.

Reality is Democrats are going to get throttled in November and the country will swing back right some. Democrats overplayed their hand and printed way too much money and will pay for it at the polls. It’s always about the economy/money in peoples pockets and over the past year a lot of Americans got poorer. But don’t worry Republicans will screw it up, at some point, and the country will swing back left some. Rinse and repeat.
I agree on a lot of your post. I never said or meant to say that conservative republicans are old dinosaurs marching on their way to extinction.

You are a minority movement in pure numbers and have been for a while (again republicans have only won two general presidential elections in over 30 years).

If trends stay true, and who knows as younger generations move into their power years, then there should be continued republican slippage as people die off and younger ones take over.

Look at diversity in high school graduates. Going off the top of my head here but I thought in 2000 around 61% of hs graduates were white. In 2020 it was down to around 50%.

Wanna really know why there's so much animosity over the 'southern border'? It's because of Texas. Southern immigrants tend to vote democratic (unlike Cuban immigrants who tend to be republicans). If the GOP loses Texas, say goodbye to a Republican president.

But I digress.

Here's a blurb of political identity.

On December 17, 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent.[3] Additionally, polling showed that 50% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked "do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?"[3]

If I read that right, 31% are true blue Dems, 25% are true red republicans.

Of the 41% who claim to be independent, 50% lean Dems and 39% lean republican.

The Dem numbers are baked into the populace. Which is why we just need a big voter turn out and we should win. Republicans, since they are the minority now, have to make it so the right mix of voters count.

Which is why you see all of the games in regards to gerrymandering and all of the new voter laws going into republican controlled areas.

We all know this. This isn't new.

Eventually I believe the minority party, like it has happened all over the world, will create a crusade to justify simply taking over.

Gotta get the people prepped for that first though.

As far as November, yeah there's already because of gerrymandering six to eight seats that will be flipped. Add in if the economy stays where it's at with the current inflation (and the market has been dogshit so far this year) I agree, it's going to be a rough November like it was for Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama and Trump.

Historically the first mid term is a nasty one for the party of a new president.

This year most likely won't be any different unless the pubs really mess this up (but they won't, they seem laser focused on the mid terms. I can't say the same for the Dems).

In all of this, I will say the best thing for the republican party is for the democratic progressives to continue to grow and split the party in two. That in essence could make it a de facto three party system which would be a disaster for the Dem party because, they are already turning on Biden whereas the republicans are much more in sync as a party (although there are some cracks).
 
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I agree on a lot of your post. I never said or meant to say that conservative republicans are old dinosaurs marching on their way to extinction.

You are a minority movement in pure numbers and have been for a while (again republicans have only won two general presidential elections in over 30 years).

If trends stay true, and who knows as younger generations move into their power years, then there should be continued republican slippage as people die off and younger ones take over.

Look at diversity in high school graduates. Going off the top of my head here but I thought in 2000 around 61% of hs graduates were white. In 2020 it was down to around 50%.

Wanna really know why there's so much animosity over the 'southern border'? It's because of Texas. Southern immigrants tend to vote democratic (unlike Cuban immigrants who tend to be republicans). If the GOP loses Texas, say goodbye to a Republican president.

But I digress.

Here's a blurb of political identity.

On December 17, 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent.[3] Additionally, polling showed that 50% are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" and 39% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners" when Independents are asked "do you lean more to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?"[3]

If I read that right, 31% are true blue Dems, 25% are true red republicans.

Of the 41% who claim to be independent, 50% lean Dems and 39% lean republican.

The Dem numbers are baked into the populace. Which is why we just need a big voter turn out and we should win. Republicans, since they are the minority now, have to make it so the right mix of voters count.

Which is why you see all of the games in regards to gerrymandering and all of the new voter laws going into republican controlled areas.

We all know this. This isn't new.

Eventually I believe the minority party, like it has happened all over the world, will create a crusade to justify simply taking over.

Gotta get the people prepped for that first though.

As far as November, yeah there's already because of gerrymandering six to eight seats that will be flipped. Add in if the economy stays where it's at with the current inflation (and the market has been dogshit so far this year) I agree, it's going to be a rough November like it was for Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama and Trump.

Historically the first mid term is a nasty one for the party of a new president.

This year most likely won't be any different unless the pubs really mess this up (but they won't, they seem laser focused on the mid terms. I can't say the same for the Dems).

In all of this, I will say the best thing for the republican party is for the democratic progressives to continue to grow and split the party in two. That in essence could make it a de facto three party system which would be a disaster for the Dem party because, they are already turning on Biden whereas the republicans are much more in sync as a party (although there are some cracks).
There is a lot going in there. The Republican Party isn't going to take over by force. They'll just continue to win elections like they have for the past 150 years. Both parties gerrymander and will continue to do so.

You are correct that midterms are usually bad for the incumbent party, I just think it will be historically bad for Democrats (we will see). I'll make a somewhat bold prediction that it will be +40 in the house and +5 in the senate for Republicans. Inflation isn't going to go away and I think the market is going to continue to be crappy for the next 6-12 months, which is really bad for Democrats.

One long term trend that I think Democrats are wrong on is the hispanic vote. The Republican Party base will move towards a working class white/hispanic and you will see Republicans get more of the hispanic vote. The notion that all minorities will vote overwhelming for Democrats in the future, is false in my opinion.

Lastly, I've actually never voted for a Republican President. Up until a few years ago, I leaned to the left.
 
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There is a lot going in there. The Republican Party isn't going to take over by force. They'll just continue to win elections like they have for the past 150 years. Both parties Gerrymander and will continue to do so.

You are correct that midterms are usually bad for the incumbent party, I just think it will be historically bad for Democrats (we will see). I'll make a somewhat bold prediction that it will be +40 in the house and +5 in the senate for Republicans. Inflation isn't going to go away and I think the market is going to continue to be crappy for the next 6-12 months, which is really bad for Democrats.

One long term trend that I think Democrats are wrong on, is the hispanic vote. The Republican Party base will move towards a working class white/hispanic and you will see Republicans get more of the hispanic vote. The notion that all minorities will vote overwhelming for Democrats in the future, is false in my opinion.

Lastly, I've actually never voted for a Republican President. Up until a few years ago, I leaned to the left.
On the Hispanic vote. I think the GOP is also missing this one. The GOP has traditionally tried to limit voting rights because they believed that more people voting favored the Ds. That didn’t hold true in 2020. With Hispanics, the GOP could see more votes if they encourage more voters.
 
On the Hispanic vote. I think the GOP is also missing this one. The GOP has traditionally tried to limit voting rights because they believed that more people voting favored the Ds. That didn’t hold true in 2020. With Hispanics, the GOP could see more votes if they encourage more voters.
Depends on "which" Hispanics. They don't all vote alike. That Dems think (at least I think they do) they are people of color and should align with them ignores the diversity and history of the Latinos. Last I saw they were pretty evenly split between Trunp Biden 2024
 
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Depends on "which" Hispanics. They don't all vote alike. That Dems think (at least I think they do) they are people of color and should align with them ignores the diversity and history of the Latinos. Last I saw they were pretty evenly split between Trunp Biden 2024
That’s my point Murt. Both sides treat certain groups as monolithic. They are both wrong.
 
But in this case murt its different. How many corps govern their own cities (municipalities) within state boundaries?
It’s a bit simplistic to think that giving Walt Disney World Resort the power of self-rule is some sort of gift or privilege.
 
There is a lot going in there. The Republican Party isn't going to take over by force. They'll just continue to win elections like they have for the past 150 years. Both parties gerrymander and will continue to do so.

You are correct that midterms are usually bad for the incumbent party, I just think it will be historically bad for Democrats (we will see). I'll make a somewhat bold prediction that it will be +40 in the house and +5 in the senate for Republicans. Inflation isn't going to go away and I think the market is going to continue to be crappy for the next 6-12 months, which is really bad for Democrats.

One long term trend that I think Democrats are wrong on, is the hispanic vote. The Republican Party base will move towards a working class white/hispanic and you will see Republicans get more of the hispanic vote. The notion that all minorities will vote overwhelming for Democrats in the future, is false in my opinion.

Lastly, I've actually never voted for a Republican President. Up until a few years ago, I leaned to the left.

I would think the GOP using scare tactics in regards to the southern border and Trump calling Mexicans rapists would turn off the Hispanic vote. I would think this war on immigration would keep the advantage for the dems in this regard.
 
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The insanity never ends with you. Neither does the lying. Actually, they're probably part and parcel of the same condition.

I quoted Mike Lee's tweet of October 8, 2020 in its entirety. I have no idea where the language you cited came from, or if he even said it. If it's an actual quote, it was probably an attempt at damage control after the firestorm created by his tweet.

He was wrong and so are you. I don't think you're stupid. I think you're disoriented. You confused Pete Buttigieg with Ron DeSantis the other day. (Newsflash: They're not at all alike). You thought Kamala Harris was Vice President on January 6, 2021. Your "logic" in this thread is mind-numbing. You probably don't remember what you had for dinner tonight. For the love of God, don't get lost driving your grandkids around.
You have no idea? There's this new thing called Google. God, you're dense.

Nice attempt at deflection, but you got caught regurgitating a leftist talking about about "democracy" being in danger and, when called on it, turn to personal insults and goal post moving to take attention away from it.

The ultimate irony is the leftist talking point that Musk buying Twitter is a threat to democracy. Your self-awareness is hilarious.
 
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It’s a bit simplistic to think that giving Walt Disney World Resort the power of self-rule is some sort of gift or privilege.
If it's not a privilege or gift, why are they fighting so hard to preserve it?
 
On the Hispanic vote. I think the GOP is also missing this one. The GOP has traditionally tried to limit voting rights because they believed that more people voting favored the Ds. That didn’t hold true in 2020. With Hispanics, the GOP could see more votes if they encourage more voters.
The GOP has never voted to limit voter rights. You're thinking of Southern Democrats.

The GOP is for legitimate votes. That's anathema to the Democrat Party.
 
The GOP has never voted to limit voter rights. You're thinking of Southern Democrats.

The GOP is for legitimate votes. That's anathema to the Democrat Party.

You don't follow the news much do you?
 
If it's not a privilege or gift, why are they fighting so hard to preserve it?
That the park, given self-governance, has managed to maintain itself as a generally safe and stable environment that people flock to from across the world is a pretty good indication that the company knows what it’s doing.
 
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That the park, given self-governance, has managed to maintain itself as a generally safe and stable environment that people flock to from across the world is a pretty good indication that the company knows what it’s doing.
I agree, but that's not the issue.
 
I agree, but that's not the issue.
Any contention that DeSantis is eliminating some sort of “special treatment” for Disney comes with it the perhaps mistaken assumption that the 2 counties suddenly in charge of all this infrastructure will somehow make the park better and not worse.
 
Any contention that DeSantis is eliminating some sort of “special treatment” for Disney comes with it the perhaps mistaken assumption that the 2 counties suddenly in charge of all this infrastructure will somehow make the park better and not worse.
I don't think anyone has said, or thought, that.

If that was the criteria for special treatment, why aren't other corporations give the same treatment?

Disney, as a corporation, waded into politics. They found out there are consequences to that. They shouldn't be shocked their political opponents took an action against them for protesting against a law passed by their state legislature.
 
The GOP has never voted to limit voter rights. You're thinking of Southern Democrats.

The GOP is for legitimate votes. That's anathema to the Democrat Party.
We will soon see. Indiana is a blue state and if we see 2 hour lines, restrictions for mail in voting, reducing voting times, etc.... that is examples of Republicans restricting voting. Also, in various states passing laws to remove power from bipartisan election officials such as Secretary of States are very worrisome to voters that want a fair election. For many, we have lost confidence in our election system after the unconstitutional stunts Trump pulled to remain in power.
 
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I don't think anyone has said, or thought, that.

If that was the criteria for special treatment, why aren't other corporations give the same treatment?

Disney, as a corporation, waded into politics. They found out there are consequences to that. They shouldn't be shocked their political opponents took an action against them for protesting against a law passed by their state legislature.
You see no problem with the government crushing dissent of a law?
 
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We will soon see. Indiana is a blue state and if we see 2 hour lines, restrictions for mail in voting, reducing voting times, etc.... that is examples of Republicans restricting voting. Also, in various states passing laws to remove power from bipartisan election officials such as Secretary of States are very worrisome to voters that want a fair election. For many, we have lost confidence in our election system after the unconstitutional stunts Trump pulled to remain in power.
The reason those laws were passed about Secretaries of State was they they DIDN'T have legal power - that power resided in the legislatures.

You need to talk to your Party - Democrats claim 2020 was the most honest election ever.
 
I don't think anyone has said, or thought, that.

If that was the criteria for special treatment, why aren't other corporations give the same treatment?

Disney, as a corporation, waded into politics. They found out there are consequences to that. They shouldn't be shocked their political opponents took an action against them for protesting against a law passed by their state legislature.
Putting Disney parks at the mercy of 2 different counties with different laws will be a huge mess for everybody involved, and that’s the point. It’s just the reality of the situation.
 
Putting Disney parks at the mercy of 2 different counties with different laws will be a huge mess for everybody involved, and that’s the point. It’s just the reality of the situation.
Again, no argument from me on that.

But that isn't the issue.
 
The reason those laws were passed about Secretaries of State was they they DIDN'T have legal power - that power resided in the legislatures.

You need to talk to your Party - Democrats claim 2020 was the most honest election ever.
So no comment from you about Trump asking Georgia "to find him 11,700 votes" Concocting a scheme to have alternate electors cast votes on Jan. 6th. Demanding Pennsylvania to stop counting votes after midnight, enacting Marshall Law. etc. etc.

At some point you have to be a little bit embarrassed how you and your party acted after the Elections. As I said before, at least half the country has lost confidence in our free and fair election system and we probably won't get that confidence back anytime soon.

Oh and your comment, "The reason those laws were passed about Secretaries of State was they they DIDN'T have legal power". So election oversight should be given to partisan legislatures such as Arizona's? Are you hearing yourself?
 
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I don't think anyone has said, or thought, that.

If that was the criteria for special treatment, why aren't other corporations give the same treatment?

Disney, as a corporation, waded into politics. They found out there are consequences to that. They shouldn't be shocked their political opponents took an action against them for protesting against a law passed by their state legislature.
Still blows my mind that they thought that was a good idea.

Is there no one there that could say “this is f*****g insane. Why are we, a company that’s totally immersed in marketing ourselves to and for children, threatening legal action over a bill that forbids teaching those same kids explicitly sexual stuff between grades K-3? A bill that has broad popular support throughout the nation no less.”

How far down the woke rabbit hole are these people?
 
It’s not about what’s fair or what’s best for the citizens in the area. It’s about punishing political foes and centralizing government power to do so.
A very non conservative approach.
Charles C.W. Cooke made a similar point that I thought was valid. DeSantis had already won, Disney under pressure from their activist employees and an activist media came out and objected but Florida passed the Parental rights bill anyway. At the same time guys like Christopher Ruffo exposed just how warped some of Disney’s employees are with his investigating and the stock price took a major hit. Disney was licking its wounds when this special status removal was passed.

It is vindictive, no doubt. In a vacuum I don’t see how any Conservative can support the move.

The question is do you think the current environment that Democrats have largely created of targeting corporations for political purposes and the ire that companies like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil-A felt felt from Democratic politicians for their own corporate speech makes turn about, fair play? I’m torn myself.

But it does seem out of character for DeSantis who has been right every step of the way and up until now has scored nothing but clean, unobjectionable political wins with broad support.
 
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Charles C.W. Cooke made a similar point that I thought was valid. DeSantis had already won, Disney under pressure from their activist employees and an activist media came out and objected but Florida passed the Parental rights bill anyway. At the same time guys like Christopher Ruffo exposed just how warped some of Disney’s employees are with his investigating and the stock price took a major hit. Disney was licking its wounds when this special status removal was passed.

It is vindictive, no doubt. In a vacuum I don’t see how any Conservative can support the move.

The question is do you think the current environment that Democrats have largely created of targeting corporations for political purposes and the ire that companies like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil-A felt felt from Democratic politicians for their own corporate speech makes turn about, fair play? I’m torn myself.

But it does seem out of character for DeSantis who has been right every step of the way and up until now has scored nothing but clean, unobjectionable political wins with broad support.

What laws were passed against Hobby Lobby and Chik Fil-A? People can boycott whoever they want for whatever reason they want.

If conservatives want to boycott disney or some conservative town later decides they don't want disney expanding there, then that is their prerogative. That isn't the same as passing a law to be vindictive.
 
Still blows my mind that they thought that was a good idea.

Is there no one there that could say “this is f*****g insane. Why are we, a company that’s totally immersed in marketing ourselves to and for children, threatening legal action over a bill that forbids teaching those same kids explicitly sexual stuff between grades K-3? A bill that has broad popular support throughout the nation no less.”

How far down the woke rabbit hole are these people?
The same reason CNN+ was launched, or cloth masks are effective, or shutting down schools was a good idea, or inflation is transitory, or MMT is a serious theory, or printing trillions of dollars won't cause inflation, or cow farts will end the world or we need to curtail freedom of speech. They live in an echo chamber and dissenting voices are kicked out of the club.
 
The same reason CNN+ was launched, or cloth masks are effective, or shutting down schools was a good idea, or inflation is transitory, or MMT is a serious theory, or printing trillions of dollars won't cause inflation, or cow farts will end the world or we need to curtail freedom of speech. They live in an echo chamber and dissenting voices are kicked out of the club.

The same way there was massive voter fraud, that trump didn't collude with Russia, that jewish space lasers started forest fires in california, that dems have a pedo ring at a pizza joint in DC, that biden has dementia...

you are just in your own little echo chamber ;)
 
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