Desantis cost Florida a billion dollars to get even with Disney

[Bowlmania]

Did you read the IU survey. 7 percent identify as republicans. That's it.

Media Bias: Pretty Much All Of Journalism Now Leans Left, Study Shows

The media have drifted to the far left on the political spectrum. Yet again, a major study of media bias shows just how far from the center they are.

www.investors.com

The influence of journalists is waning, murt, as the influence of podcasters and social media stars soars.

I know Joe Rogan doesn't have a journalism degree (or a degree of any kind, for that matter) but his influence far surpasses that of most journalists.

Welcome to the 21st Century, guy.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Hickory doesn’t even offer opinions aside from conservatives/republicans/Trump bad.

I’m not the smartest guy in the world but I at least make an effort to debate things on their merits.

Horrible poster.

 

[outside shooter]

It's a fine principle to give parents a voice in what their children are taught. The law is couched in such general terms, though... parents can declare that they feel a class lesson is not age-appropriate for their delicate wallflower (even a child of high school age), and then the schools are obliged to investigate and take immediate action. You don't want every high school English teacher to put up a parent referendum on their syllabus and cater to the squeakiest wheel.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The influence of journalists is waning, murt, as the influence of podcasters and social media stars soars.

I know Joe Rogan doesn't have a journalism degree (or a degree of any kind, for that matter) but his influence far surpasses that of most journalists.

Welcome to the 21st Century, guy.

1) the net effect is the same if the bent is liberal
2) where do you think journalists get their stories. Do you think htere's some chinese wall separating journalists from social media outlets?

You're on here so you must have the internet...otherwise I'd wonder.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Students have been too sensitive about prayer in schools, the pledge of allegiance, the flag, the National Anthem and stone cold tater tots.

Until they have tater tot casserole, they don't get to complain

 

[Stuffshot]

Trump was a horrible president but you can’t deny that he exposed the media.

The media?

Did he ever expose FoxNews (which has significantly higher viewership than either CNN or MSNBC) ?

 

[Bowlmania]

That's the new talking point. Conservatives want to do away with democracy.

Well, it's not really new, but it's all you have left after your leftist pals have been exposed for the corrupt liars and scumbags they are.

No evidence of it, of course. But that's never stopped you from claiming something that has no basis in fact before.

I never made a blanket statement "Conservatives want to do away with democracy," or anything close to that, so please stop with your fallacies and lies. I said there are millions of people (I used no label) who no longer value American democracy, and many within that group would like to see it gone.

There's plenty of evidence, not that you're capable of reviewing and understanding it. For example, legislators in a number of states have been hard at work enacting anti-democracy legislation. And some legislators, even at the national level, have been less than subtle in their dismissal of democracy. Mike Lee, for example: "We're not a democracy." A while later: "Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace and prospefity (sic) are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that."

Dangerous shit, my friend.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The media?

Did he ever expose FoxNews (which has significantly higher viewership than either CNN or MSNBC) ?

In many ways he did. We learned how absurdly bias fox is

 

[Stuffshot]

Sort of, but the devil is in the details.

Disney pays property taxes, a ton of them. But they get do get breaks on taxes that are earmarked to cover certain essential services, like fire, ambulance, water, sewer, road maintenence, building code enforcement, and other stuff. So yes, there was a deal cut so that Disney has their own fire department, water treatment facility, emergency services, building code enforcement, etc. Disney was a planned development so they built all of that in to their infrastructure. They spend a ton of money for such services, and by all accounts, it is all run very well.

What this does is demand that Disney no longer run all of those things themselves. So the county will have to do it all, and the taxpayers will pay for the transition. Disney will pay more in taxes, sure, but this creates this huge bureauocracy where the former Disney employess are out of a job, presumably to become county employees, with lesser benefits, lesser pay, and probably providing lesser quality services.

It's shuffling of the deck chairs. The change will be messy, costly to taxpayers, Disney will by most analyses spend less not more, and for lesser services.

But it makes DeSantis look good to people who don't bother to understand what it is really about.

If private Disney is replaced by public local/county government, won't there be some other consequences too?

I'm thinking of expenses for public employees retirement funds, visitors' rights to free expression on public property etc.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Be careful Van. You've posted some disparaging things about democrats and our current president.

Looks like we're now cool with government possibly singling you and your church out and stripping away your religious tax exempt status in retaliation....again only for your church, not every church.... because you of your anti Biden posting history.

That's basically what the mad king Desantis is doing here to the cheers of many in the alt-right.

Wouldn't some people say that Disney has been getting away with an unfair business advantage since 67? I am surprised liberals aren't yelling out that they have not been paying their fair shair. There is always several ways to look at things. I'm not sure I have spoken a lot about Biden. To be honest it is harder and harder to see him as the one who is really in charge. I will say that government is too involved with the economy. The great saying which is true is Let The Market Decide. Disney might find out that if they keep pushing sexual things which is what their CEO has said then the market will decide to not participate. Their app (which I have) will have less subscribers. Mickey will be twiddling his thumbs at Disney World because less and less kids are visiting. They might find out that the government is the least of their problems.

 

[jet812]

Honestly, Disney should just make a movie depicting Desantis and his crew and call it ‘Snowflake and the Millions of Sheeple.”

You all are the ones crying here. Desantis & the pubs took action, & the crying started from the left about it. Pubs smiling, dems crying…

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yea a lot of them are smaller but Fox News is bigger than anything liberals have. You didn't want to compare size of viewership when it was just the main news stations but now it matters when we throw in all of the smaller players?

Movin' the goal posts

Are you really this stupid? ABC/NBC/CBS pull about 7 million viewers each to their nightly news. Nothing is remotely in their league

 

[DANC]

The media?

Did he ever expose FoxNews (which has significantly higher viewership than either CNN or MSNBC) ?

Whutabout!

 

[DANC]

I never made a blanket statement "Conservatives want to do away with democracy," or anything close to that, so please stop with your fallacies and lies. I said there are millions of people (I used no label) who no longer value American democracy, and many within that group would like to see it gone.

There's plenty of evidence, not that you're capable of reviewing and understanding it. For example, legislators in a number of states have been hard at work enacting anti-democracy legislation. And some legislators, even at the national level, have been less than subtle in their dismissal of democracy. Mike Lee, for example: "We're not a democracy." A while later: "Democracy isn't the objective; liberty, peace and prospefity (sic) are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that."

Dangerous shit, my friend.

Mike Lee, is right - we're not a democracy. Maybe you need to take a civics class or should have paid attention if you did take one.

By the way, here's more of what he said, which you conveniently left out.

"The word “democracy” appears nowhere in the Constitution, perhaps because our form of government is not a democracy. It’s a constitutional republic. To me it matters. It should matter to anyone who worries about the excessive accumulation of power in the hands of the few.’

He added: “Government is the official use of coercive force–nothing more and nothing less. The Constitution protects us by limiting the use of government force.”

Our country is based on democratic principles - one man, one vote. The Founders considered a democracy and rejected it, knowing it would lead to mob rule. No one is trying to take that away, except mules stuffing drop-off boxes.

I know this probably blows your mind, but maybe read the Constitution?

 

[Stuffshot]

In many ways he did. We learned how absurdly bias fox is

Well, hell yes I agree.

But look how DANC responded. You seem sympathetic to indianaftw, but are you distancing yourself from DANC or endorsing him/her/it ?

 

[Stuffshot]

The media?

Did he ever expose FoxNews (which has significantly higher viewership than either CNN or MSNBC) ?

You really ought to start using an emoji that truly expresses your real personality.

Here's an emoji that is 100% on point with your stated "Christian" concerns for other people's needs in the United States of America:

He and Trump have already done the work for you. Anyone who supports the cutthroat attitude of even just one of the three (you, Shkreli and Trump) obviously supports the other two !! There can be no mistake !'

No more wasted time misdescribing yourself !! Think how much time you would save by, for a change, being honest !!

 

[TommyCracker]

You all are the ones crying here. Desantis & the pubs took action, & the crying started from the left about it. Pubs smiling, dems crying…

I don't see much crying, just people calling it out for what it is while tsking those that in their excitement seem to be blinded by such a blatant and unconstitutional violation of power.

That can swing both ways possibly.

All of the rural infrastructure, particularly broadband that's desperately needed....f em. They tend to vote Republican. Double f them in the areas that their republican congressmen voted against the bill like Tom Cotten's Arkansas.

When another hurricane hits Florida? F em. Should have voted democrat. We don't like your governor so get rid of him and put in someone who conforms to our ideology if you want federal help with your disaster relief.

We put gripping economic sanctions on Russia, let's put them on republican governors. Bring the states to their knees. Blow up interstate highways and bridges in that state, etc.

All of these things are blatantly unconstitutional for good reason, just like retaliating against a company because they spoke out against a political decision.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Ha! Endorse? Danc is as partisan on the right as shooter is on the left. As for an endorsement, I'd happily drink a beer or ten at an IU game with Danc. If i walked into a bar and the only two people in it were Stuffshot and Margot Robbie I'd turn around and walk right back out. And I love Margot Robbie

Well, hell yes I agree.

But look how DANC responded. You seem sympathetic to indianaftw, but are you distancing yourself from DANC or endorsing him/her/it ?

 

[Stuffshot]

You really ought to start using an emoji that truly expresses your real personality.

Here's an emoji that is 100% on point with your stated "Christian" concerns for other people's needs in the United States of America:

He and Trump have already done the work for you. Anyone who supports the cutthroat attitude of even just one of the three (you, Shkreli and Trump) obviously supports the other two !! There can be no mistake !'

No more wasted time misdescribing yourself !! Think how much time you would save by, for a change, being honest !!

Lucy, you don't count, not for anything.

But, now that you got all excited and pleasured yourself, please have the decency to grab a paper towel and clean up all three messes in your pants.

 

[jet812]

I don't see much crying, just people calling it out for what it is while tsking those that in their excitement seem to be blinded by such a blatant and unconstitutional violation of power.

That can swing both ways possibly.

All of the rural infrastructure, particularly broadband that's desperately needed....f em. They tend to vote Republican. Double f them in the areas that their republican congressmen voted against the bill like Tom Cotten's Arkansas.

When another hurricane hits Florida? F em. Should have voted democrat. We don't like your governor so get rid of him and put in someone who conforms to our ideology if you want federal help with your disaster relief.

We put gripping economic sanctions on Russia, let's put them on republican governors. Bring the states to their knees. Blow up interstate highways and bridges in that state, etc.

All of these things are blatantly unconstitutional for good reason, just like retaliating against a company because they spoke out against a political decision.

Where is the unconstitutional part of what Fla did? If his constituents don’t agree it will be reflected in the voting. Wanna bet on whether he’s re-elected (assuming he runs - he may be mounting his ascent to the Presidency)? Quit crying, the People if Florida have spoken!

 

[DANC]

You really ought to start using an emoji that truly expresses your real personality.

Here's an emoji that is 100% on point with your stated "Christian" concerns for other people's needs in the United States of America:

He and Trump have already done the work for you. Anyone who supports the cutthroat attitude of even just one of the three (you, Shkreli and Trump) obviously supports the other two !! There can be no mistake !'

No more wasted time misdescribing yourself !! Think how much time you would save by, for a change, being honest !!

Oops! Did you forget which ID you were posting under? lmao

 

[DANC]

Ha! Endorse? Danc is as partisan on the right as shooter is on the left. As for an endorsement, I'd happily drink a beer or ten at an IU game with Danc. If i walked into a bar and the only two people in it were Stuffshot and Margot Robbie I'd turn around and walk right back out. And I love Margot Robbie

Did I mention Margot will be at our tailgate this Fall?

 

[DANC]

Well, hell yes I agree.

But look how DANC responded. You seem sympathetic to indianaftw, but are you distancing yourself from DANC or endorsing him/her/it ?

Wait - pointing out a whutabout isn't legit anymore?

Hell, why didn't someone tell me?

I guess it's not good when it's pointed out you do it. It used to be the favorite comeback of guys like Goat.

 

[TommyCracker]

Where is the unconstitutional part of what Fla did? If his constituents don’t agree it will be reflected in the voting. Wanna bet on whether he’s re-elected (assuming he runs - he may be mounting his ascent to the Presidency)? Quit crying, the People if Florida have spoken!

Where is it at? It's in his crystal clear intent on why he's doing it in the first place.

That's the rub. Government can't hold their power over someone because they don't agree.

Similar to that pesky quid pro quo that's also, and blatantly unconstitutional (holding governmental duties back in return for favors. Using government as leverage in a transaction).

Do I deny that it never happens? Of course not, there's corruption in everything. However those bad actors tend to not shout it from the top of a mountain publicly like King Desantis did (and we know why, he wants the right to cheer him on).

Maybe the Dems need to do the same? Stop crying about it as you say and really lean on whatever governmental powers that are available to make those that oppose lives miserable.

Like I said, withhold disaster relief, pull liquor licenses, really come down on republican businesses, waive the religious tax exemption particularly for evangelicals.

I'm sure there are a million ways the government could impose their will as punishment for not siding with the current party in power.

They don't because it's unconstitutional, regardless how much joy the aligned party would take in it.

 

[Stuffshot]

Ha! Danc is as partisan on the right as shooter is on the left. As for an endorsement, I'd happily drink a beer or ten at an IU game with Danc. If i walked into a bar and the only two people in it were Stuffshot and Margot Robbie I'd turn around and walk right back out. And I love Margot Robbie

That's just stupid.

I'd happily buy you a drink and then try to figure out why you hate me.

 

[Stuffshot]

Oops! Did you forget which ID you were posting under? lmao

Making shit up again. Sad.

 

[DANC]

Making shit up again. Sad.

Well you were replying to yourself, so......

 

[Bowlmania]

Making shit up again. Sad.

That's what he does - - every day, and twice on Sundays.

 

[Bowlmania]

Mike Lee, is right - we're not a democracy. Maybe you need to take a civics class or should have paid attention if you did take one.

By the way, here's more of what he said, which you conveniently left out.

"The word “democracy” appears nowhere in the Constitution, perhaps because our form of government is not a democracy. It’s a constitutional republic. To me it matters. It should matter to anyone who worries about the excessive accumulation of power in the hands of the few.’

He added: “Government is the official use of coercive force–nothing more and nothing less. The Constitution protects us by limiting the use of government force.”

Our country is based on democratic principles - one man, one vote. The Founders considered a democracy and rejected it, knowing it would lead to mob rule. No one is trying to take that away, except mules stuffing drop-off boxes.

I know this probably blows your mind, but maybe read the Constitution?

For the love of everything holy, please stop embarrassing yourself. It's cringe-worthy.

We are both a constitutional republic and a representative democracy. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Where is the unconstitutional part of what Fla did? If his constituents don’t agree it will be reflected in the voting. Wanna bet on whether he’s re-elected (assuming he runs - he may be mounting his ascent to the Presidency)? Quit crying, the People if Florida have spoken!

If a dem tried to pull that crap then I am sure you would understand better how it is unlawful.

 

[Stuffshot]

Well you were replying to yourself, so......

No, little boy. I was responding to Lucy's emoji.

That's why I addressed the response to "Lucy."

 

[Bowlmania]

That's just stupid.

I'd happily buy you a drink and then try to figure out why you hate me.

Murt is moving more and more in the direction of danc-esque posting - - angry and far-right. It's baffling, particularly because he was presenting as a moderate in the months following the '20 election and Jan 6.

There's plenty of hate around here, so don't think for a second it's just you. And at least you're on the receiving end of just basic, everyday hatred. There's a guy who's got me burning in hell for all eternity. I'm not sure what I've done here that's so evil. My positions aren't extreme, and my posts are generally well-received (i.e. good reaction score, lol). I do vocally and vigorously oppose Trump, though.

Never mind. I just realized that's my mortal sin. 😂

 

[jet812]

Ha! Endorse? Danc is as partisan on the right as shooter is on the left. As for an endorsement, I'd happily drink a beer or ten at an IU game with Danc. If i walked into a bar and the only two people in it were Stuffshot and Margot Robbie I'd turn around and walk right back out. And I love Margot Robbie

You should be ashamed of yourself, leaving poor Margot in that wretched situation…

 

[mcmurtry66]

Murt is moving more and more in the direction of danc-esque posting - - angry and far-right. It's baffling, particularly because he was presenting as a moderate in the months following the '20 election and Jan 6.

There's plenty of hate around here, so don't think for a second it's just you. And at least you're on the receiving end of just basic, everyday hatred. There's a guy who's got me burning in hell for all eternity. I'm not sure what I've done here that's so evil. My positions aren't extreme, and my posts are generally well-received (i.e. good reaction score, lol). I do vocally and vigorously oppose Trump, though.

Never mind. I just realized that's my mortal sin. 😂

I trust your Reaction Score is from another board. On here you're as daft as it gets with your hyper partisan paranoid silly posts. Like some lost faux academic posting about "democracy in danger." So stupid. People are worrying about real world shit. Gas. Food. Crime. School. It's why your ilk is going to get destroyed in Nov. Dumb and out of touch. And your "oh they are angry" is played. Some of us just don't give a shit about woke chicks like you. Or whatever you are with your vapid paranoid out of touch bs. Don't confuse angry with people just not liking you. They are different.

edit: lmao I just saw elizabeth warren say musk's purchase of twitter is dangerous for our democracy. lol wtf is wrong with you weirdos. yuck.

 

[DANC]

For the love of everything holy, please stop embarrassing yourself. It's cringe-worthy.

We are both a constitutional republic and a representative democracy. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

Now you're lying. You didn't say 'representative democracy'.

You ****ed up and now you're moving the goal post. Again.

 

[DANC]

No, little boy. I was responding to Lucy's emoji.

That's why I addressed the response to "Lucy."

No, dumbass. You replied to your own post.

Reading a thread must be beyond your comprehension.

 

[snarlcakes]

It's a weak excuse as the conservative messaging is most definitely not being subdued. For it to be a media controlled influence there has to be no other to very little other options, which is definitely not the case right now.

I believe a person develops their ideology via their life experiences (family, social experiences). The media a person chooses just confirms what they already believe. It's not 'converting' blank slates into liberal warriors. That's nearly impossible with having media options in this country. Like any menu, a person picks what already lines up with their personal belief.

Conservative ideology is currently a minority ideology and it's shrinking as more old conservatives die off and are replaced by the younger generation which seems to be more liberal as a collective as the younger generations are typically more diverse than the ones before it, and those families tend to be liberal in general.

This isn't new. Conservatives have won what, two presidential general elections in the past 34 years (Bush sr in 88 and Bush Jr in 04) and the losses keep getting wider and wider.

So what to do? How does a minority ideology work in a democracy?

It doesn't and it's not supposed to.

Which is why the right has gotten much more extreme, much more violent in tone, have turned to faux celebrities who have no idea how to govern but have a celebrity name for elections because the power brokers behind the conservative message no longer have any interest in actually governing in a democratic way.

It's why I feel the threat of an authoritarian takeover by the right isn't as crazy of an idea as it was fifteen years ago.

It's a weak excuse as the conservative messaging is most definitely not being subdued. For it to be a media controlled influence there has to be no other to very little other options, which is definitely not the case right now.

I believe a person develops their ideology via their life experiences (family, social experiences). The media a person chooses just confirms what they already believe. It's not 'converting' blank slates into liberal warriors. That's nearly impossible with having media options in this country. Like any menu, a person picks what already lines up with their personal belief.

Conservative ideology is currently a minority ideology and it's shrinking as more old conservatives die off and are replaced by the younger generation which seems to be more liberal as a collective as the younger generations are typically more diverse than the ones before it, and those families tend to be liberal in general.

This isn't new. Conservatives have won what, two presidential general elections in the past 34 years (Bush sr in 88 and Bush Jr in 04) and the losses keep getting wider and wider.

So what to do? How does a minority ideology work in a democracy?

It doesn't and it's not supposed to.

Which is why the right has gotten much more extreme, much more violent in tone, have turned to faux celebrities who have no idea how to govern but have a celebrity name for elections because the power brokers behind the conservative message no longer have any interest in actually governing in a democratic way.

It's why I feel the threat of an authoritarian takeover by the right isn't as crazy of an idea as it was fifteen years ago.

Stop it. Conservative ideology isn’t going away and neither is the Republican Party. It’s never been easier for young people to be exposed to conservative thought and it’s one of the reasons why the left is losing their shit over Twitter. They use to be able to control more of the messaging, but that’s no longer the case with social media. By the way it’s a good thing.

Reality is Democrats are going to get throttled in November and the country will swing back right some. Democrats overplayed their hand and printed way too much money and will pay for it at the polls. It’s always about the economy/money in peoples pockets and over the past year a lot of Americans got poorer. But don’t worry Republicans will screw it up, at some point, and the country will swing back left some. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Bowlmania]

I trust your Reaction Score is from another board. On here you're as daft as it gets with your hyper partisan paranoid silly posts. Like some lost faux academic posting about "democracy in danger." So stupid. People are worrying about real world shit. Gas. Food. Crime. School. It's why your ilk is going to get destroyed in Nov. Dumb and out of touch. And your "oh they are angry" is played. Some of us just don't give a shit about woke chicks like you. Or whatever you are with your vapid paranoid out of touch bs. Don't confuse angry with people just not liking you. They are different.

edit: lmao I just saw elizabeth warren say musk's purchase of twitter is dangerous for our democracy. lol wtf is wrong with you weirdos. yuck.

As I said, you're moving more and more in the direction of danc-style posting. You're certainly giving him a run for his money with all the ad hominems you crammed into that post. You left out "you're a pussy," but I guess "woke chick" is pretty close. Great job.

 

[Bowlmania]

Now you're lying. You didn't say 'representative democracy'.

You ****ed up and now you're moving the goal post. Again.

So, per your pretzel logic, we're not a democracy but we are a representative democracy.

Do whatever you can to slow the progression, danc.

 

[DANC]

So, per your pretzel logic, we're not a democracy but we are a representative democracy.

Do whatever you can to slow the progression, danc.

You said you're worried about losing our democracy.

Then you quoted a politician, but lied by not including his entire quote.

His quote was factually correct and now you're butt-hurt because he's right, and now you're embarrassed that you made a statement that any simpleton knows isn't true - the US isn't a true democracy and never has been, by design.

You really do need to take a civics class or have some else explain it to you. You've closed your mind to anything I write.