Solid player. I saw him play last year season. He is a scorer who gets after it on defense. Newmans stock continues to rise.
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I've seen comparisons made to Robert Johnson and Rod Wilmont (who was one of my favorite players....tough, fun, underrated, big strong body who rebounded like a beast as a guard, Big Ten Wonk loved Rod so I'm assuming his PER was pretty good).
Anyway, he would be a really nice get at a spot we need. Like Rojo and Wilmont, they are definitely twos. Newman isn't a point... he's a 2.
I'm also seeing posts about a four man class which makes me want to shoot myself in the head. I thought we were done wanting to be perpetually young and wishing for silly roster turnover.
Drives me nuts.
I really like Newman but I wouldn't trade anyone on this current roster for him. I'll take an upperclass Durham over a freshman Newman.
If anyone wishes that Clifton leaves (after waiting two years for his physical development etc), which I'm assuming when I see posts about a four man class because they 'expect some transfers' then that's incredibly short sighted and dumb...in my opinion.
That poster would rather have a freshman instead of a 6'10" 240 pound junior with guard skills and a huge wingspan with two years in the program understanding the system?
Or do we like losing to ISU by 20 because our players are confused on defensive rotations from being so new to it again?
Anyway, I'm down with a three man class.
TJD, Brooks and Carton is the ideal.
TJD, Newman and Franklin would be very solid as it would fill needs (guard depth and a stud all from in state).
Any combination in-between is probably what we'll end up with.
I've seen comparisons made to Robert Johnson and Rod Wilmont (who was one of my favorite players....tough, fun, underrated, big strong body who rebounded like a beast as a guard, Big Ten Wonk loved Rod so I'm assuming his PER was pretty good).
Anyway, he would be a really nice get at a spot we need. Like Rojo and Wilmont, they are definitely twos. Newman isn't a point... he's a 2.
I'm also seeing posts about a four man class which makes me want to shoot myself in the head. I thought we were done wanting to be perpetually young and wishing for silly roster turnover.
Drives me nuts.
I really like Newman but I wouldn't trade anyone on this current roster for him. I'll take an upperclass Durham over a freshman Newman.
If anyone wishes that Clifton leaves (after waiting two years for his physical development etc), which I'm assuming when I see posts about a four man class because they 'expect some transfers' then that's incredibly short sighted and dumb...in my opinion.
That poster would rather have a freshman instead of a 6'10" 240 pound junior with guard skills and a huge wingspan with two years in the program understanding the system?
Or do we like losing to ISU by 20 because our players are confused on defensive rotations from being so new to it again?
Anyway, I'm down with a three man class.
TJD, Brooks and Carton is the ideal.
TJD, Newman and Franklin would be very solid as it would fill needs (guard depth and a stud all from in state).
Any combination in-between is probably what we'll end up with.
I've seen comparisons made to Robert Johnson and Rod Wilmont (who was one of my favorite players....tough, fun, underrated, big strong body who rebounded like a beast as a guard, Big Ten Wonk loved Rod so I'm assuming his PER was pretty good).
Anyway, he would be a really nice get at a spot we need. Like Rojo and Wilmont, they are definitely twos. Newman isn't a point... he's a 2.
I'm also seeing posts about a four man class which makes me want to shoot myself in the head. I thought we were done wanting to be perpetually young and wishing for silly roster turnover.
Drives me nuts.
I really like Newman but I wouldn't trade anyone on this current roster for him. I'll take an upperclass Durham over a freshman Newman.
If anyone wishes that Clifton leaves (after waiting two years for his physical development etc), which I'm assuming when I see posts about a four man class because they 'expect some transfers' then that's incredibly short sighted and dumb...in my opinion.
That poster would rather have a freshman instead of a 6'10" 240 pound junior with guard skills and a huge wingspan with two years in the program understanding the system?
Or do we like losing to ISU by 20 because our players are confused on defensive rotations from being so new to it again?
Anyway, I'm down with a three man class.
TJD, Brooks and Carton is the ideal.
TJD, Newman and Franklin would be very solid as it would fill needs (guard depth and a stud all from in state).
Any combination in-between is probably what we'll end up with.
the good news is, this doesn't have to be decided now. We can take 3 now, and it could turn in to a 4 man class next spring, it a transfer is known at that point or anticipated. And, who knows, RL may be back, so it may only be a 2 man class. As IUScott has pointed out, no one expected Miles Bridges to come back and I think he was similarly rated as RL.
But, a 6'10" big with guard skills doesn't do us any good if he can't get off the bench, so if Moore goes through another year of not playing, he may well want to transfer. It's a totally different situation than CTC, and I think any worry about oversigning ad nauseum is unnecessary. I like your ideal, but I'd also be thrilled with TJD, Brooks and Newman. I feel like he adds something in shooting we be losing with RL, whereas Franklin seems to offer a lot of what Durham does just from descriptions.
Romeo is a one year guy. There are very few scenarios where he stays for 2 and they’re unlikely enough that they’re not worth thinking about.
are you saying clifton moore is going to be 6'10" 240 with guard skills? i'll have what you're having.I've seen comparisons made to Robert Johnson and Rod Wilmont (who was one of my favorite players....tough, fun, underrated, big strong body who rebounded like a beast as a guard, Big Ten Wonk loved Rod so I'm assuming his PER was pretty good).
Anyway, he would be a really nice get at a spot we need. Like Rojo and Wilmont, they are definitely twos. Newman isn't a point... he's a 2.
I'm also seeing posts about a four man class which makes me want to shoot myself in the head. I thought we were done wanting to be perpetually young and wishing for silly roster turnover.
Drives me nuts.
I really like Newman but I wouldn't trade anyone on this current roster for him. I'll take an upperclass Durham over a freshman Newman.
If anyone wishes that Clifton leaves (after waiting two years for his physical development etc), which I'm assuming when I see posts about a four man class because they 'expect some transfers' then that's incredibly short sighted and dumb...in my opinion.
That poster would rather have a freshman instead of a 6'10" 240 pound junior with guard skills and a huge wingspan with two years in the program understanding the system?
Or do we like losing to ISU by 20 because our players are confused on defensive rotations from being so new to it again?
Anyway, I'm down with a three man class.
TJD, Brooks and Carton is the ideal.
TJD, Newman and Franklin would be very solid as it would fill needs (guard depth and a stud all from in state).
Any combination in-between is probably what we'll end up with.
i'm already convinced smith can play. moore, we'll see.There's a thing called development, and bigs tend to take longer.
There's no one we are recruiting other than Hurt (assuming that TJD is a done deal) that I'd rather have over the potential of a junior Cliffton...who is currently at 230-235 in weight after arriving at 190.
Maybe some of you are hoping that Justin Smith or Hunter transfer so we can take four??
Don't forget we only have 2 juniors (Davis and Green) and we are building some strong relationships with 2020 kids so...see where this leads when you bring in more than you have room?
Perpetually young and an inconsistent roster.
That's how Crean builds rosters.
Luckily I don't think Archie will. I just shake my head when our fans wish list doesn't add up without a transfer no one wants to talk about specifically.
Seriously though, I'm hoping no one transfers. I like our players. I like their potential. I love having a drama free off-season.
I also know if we bring in a guy like Franklin people will be hoping that he transfers after two years of not playing much for the fresh blood. That's what fans do.
With a 4 man class next year (Romeo, Morgan, Fitz, and ? gone)....
2 Seniors (Davis, Green)
4 Juniors (Al, Smith, Thompson (RS), Moore)
4 Sophomore (Hunter, Anderson, Forester, Phinisee)
4 Freshman
That's not a young roster. Especially if one of the sophomores transfer....which would be the likely case.
I've seen comparisons made to Robert Johnson and Rod Wilmont (who was one of my favorite players....tough, fun, underrated, big strong body who rebounded like a beast as a guard, Big Ten Wonk loved Rod so I'm assuming his PER was pretty good).
Anyway, he would be a really nice get at a spot we need. Like Rojo and Wilmont, they are definitely twos. Newman isn't a point... he's a 2.
I'm also seeing posts about a four man class which makes me want to shoot myself in the head. I thought we were done wanting to be perpetually young and wishing for silly roster turnover.
Drives me nuts.
I really like Newman but I wouldn't trade anyone on this current roster for him. I'll take an upperclass Durham over a freshman Newman.
If anyone wishes that Clifton leaves (after waiting two years for his physical development etc), which I'm assuming when I see posts about a four man class because they 'expect some transfers' then that's incredibly short sighted and dumb...in my opinion.
That poster would rather have a freshman instead of a 6'10" 240 pound junior with guard skills and a huge wingspan with two years in the program understanding the system?
Or do we like losing to ISU by 20 because our players are confused on defensive rotations from being so new to it again?
Anyway, I'm down with a three man class.
TJD, Brooks and Carton is the ideal.
TJD, Newman and Franklin would be very solid as it would fill needs (guard depth and a stud all from in state).
Any combination in-between is probably what we'll end up with.
Something about Carlton bugs me, I'd prefer Lewis. I think he has a better and more intuitive game. Plus he's longer and more athletic. Lewis already knows what to do with the ball or his body before the play develops, he's ahead of the play mentally. Carlton reacts to the play or decides what to do after getting the ball, he's behind the play, if you get what I mean.. I think Lewis has more court awareness and a better b-ball IQ and though a combo, a better court sense for PG.
Yea, I read that here too but it wasn't an article it was from posters. I found an article dated after he supposedly dropped us mentioning an IU visit forthcoming. He missed his original visit date because of team USA trials but IU is still on his list (or was as of mid June) of schools he's going to schedule for official or unofficial. I have no clue where the rumor he dropped us is coming from. Peegs?I thought Lewis eliminated us?
And that differs from what everyone was saying about Miles Bridges 2 years ago, how? I think he will be a one and done, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that he'd stay another year.
He's not staying two years. He's already projected lottery and as high as five in next years draft. Severe injury (will drop his draft status) or a really bad year is the only way he ends up staying.I think too many IU fans are putting too much hope in him staying a second year. Unless he pulls a miles bridges (mistake) he’s one and done. Even if he gets injured his potential is such that he’ll still go pro.
C A R T O N.Something about Carlton bugs me, I'd prefer Lewis. I think he has a better and more intuitive game. Plus he's longer and more athletic. Lewis already knows what to do with the ball or his body before the play develops, he's ahead of the play mentally. Carlton reacts to the play or decides what to do after getting the ball, he's behind the play, if you get what I mean.. I think Lewis has more court awareness and a better b-ball IQ and though a combo, a better court sense for PG.
Something about Carlton bugs me, I'd prefer Lewis. I think he has a better and more intuitive game. Plus he's longer and more athletic. Lewis already knows what to do with the ball or his body before the play develops, he's ahead of the play mentally. Carlton reacts to the play or decides what to do after getting the ball, he's behind the play, if you get what I mean.. I think Lewis has more court awareness and a better b-ball IQ and though a combo, a better court sense for PG.
I do that all the time ... my bad.C A R T O N.
Clifton will play and be better. Not sure why he is the guy people expect to transfer. I have no facts but I hope he rocks.
Go Hoosiers!
I think it's partially from disappointment due to unrealistic expectations for him heading into last season. Some on this board thought he'd be a OAD and then he didn't play much. Partially due to impatience and thinking players won't improve. The "if he didn't play much in year one he must not be very good and never will be" mentality.Clifton will play and be better. Not sure why he is the guy people expect to transfer. I have no facts but I hope he rocks.
Go Hoosiers!
I think it's partially from disappointment due to unrealistic expectations for him heading into last season. Some on this board thought he'd be a OAD and then he didn't play much. Partially due to impatience and thinking players won't improve. The "if he didn't play much in year one he must not be very good and never will be" mentality.
The fact that a one legged Collin Hartman and a 6'4" Freddie McSwain played ahead of him says a lot. If he sees decent minutes this season he's likely the most improved player in the country by a mile. I hope it happens but not counting on it.
I had a feeling Curtis was going to move on just because of his facial expressions. He just didn't look happy. I said something on here about it and got slammed. I didn't want him to leave. I just thought he would.Reminiscent of my position on CuJo last year. Really thought/hoped he'd still be at IU.
*eyeroll*I had a feeling Curtis was going to move on just because of his facial expressions. He just didn't look happy. I said something on here about it and got slammed. I didn't want him to leave. I just thought he would.
There's a thing called development, and bigs tend to take longer.
There's no one we are recruiting other than Hurt (assuming that TJD is a done deal) that I'd rather have over the potential of a junior Cliffton...who is currently at 230-235 in weight after arriving at 190.
Maybe some of you are hoping that Justin Smith or Hunter transfer so we can take four??
Don't forget we only have 2 juniors (Davis and Green) and we are building some strong relationships with 2020 kids so...see where this leads when you bring in more than you have room?
Perpetually young and an inconsistent roster.
That's how Crean builds rosters.
Luckily I don't think Archie will. I just shake my head when our fans wish list doesn't add up without a transfer no one wants to talk about specifically.
Seriously though, I'm hoping no one transfers. I like our players. I like their potential. I love having a drama free off-season.
I also know if we bring in a guy like Franklin people will be hoping that he transfers after two years of not playing much for the fresh blood. That's what fans do.
If Newman signs to Broilerz then he'll just be some 3 star scrub that wasn't good enough for IU
What it says is that the coaching staff thought that last season the best chance to win was giving the minutes to two seniors over a freshman that obviously wasn't ready at the time. It says nothing about what the coaching staff feels his potential is going forward. By your logic, Race must be even worse since he saw 0 minutes last season.The fact that a one legged Collin Hartman and a 6'4" Freddie McSwain played ahead of him says a lot. If he sees decent minutes this season he's likely the most improved player in the country by a mile. I hope it happens but not counting on it.
I don't see anyone saying they are hoping for any certain person to leave but when there are over 700 transfers a year you should expect some turnover.There's a thing called development, and bigs tend to take longer.
There's no one we are recruiting other than Hurt (assuming that TJD is a done deal) that I'd rather have over the potential of a junior Cliffton...who is currently at 230-235 in weight after arriving at 190.
Maybe some of you are hoping that Justin Smith or Hunter transfer so we can take four??
Don't forget we only have 2 juniors (Davis and Green) and we are building some strong relationships with 2020 kids so...see where this leads when you bring in more than you have room?
Perpetually young and an inconsistent roster.
That's how Crean builds rosters.
Luckily I don't think Archie will. I just shake my head when our fans wish list doesn't add up without a transfer no one wants to talk about specifically.
Seriously though, I'm hoping no one transfers. I like our players. I like their potential. I love having a drama free off-season.
I also know if we bring in a guy like Franklin people will be hoping that he transfers after two years of not playing much for the fresh blood. That's what fans do.
I think it depends on how Moore develops on the court and less how his body develops. Yeah, they can be related, but we have had several thin 4's and 5's that did pretty well. If he is the one that transfers, it would say more about where he saw himself fitting in. He practices with these guys and he would know where he stood.I've seen comparisons made to Robert Johnson and Rod Wilmont (who was one of my favorite players....tough, fun, underrated, big strong body who rebounded like a beast as a guard, Big Ten Wonk loved Rod so I'm assuming his PER was pretty good).
Anyway, he would be a really nice get at a spot we need. Like Rojo and Wilmont, they are definitely twos. Newman isn't a point... he's a 2.
I'm also seeing posts about a four man class which makes me want to shoot myself in the head. I thought we were done wanting to be perpetually young and wishing for silly roster turnover.
Drives me nuts.
I really like Newman but I wouldn't trade anyone on this current roster for him. I'll take an upperclass Durham over a freshman Newman.
If anyone wishes that Clifton leaves (after waiting two years for his physical development etc), which I'm assuming when I see posts about a four man class because they 'expect some transfers' then that's incredibly short sighted and dumb...in my opinion.
That poster would rather have a freshman instead of a 6'10" 240 pound junior with guard skills and a huge wingspan with two years in the program understanding the system?
Or do we like losing to ISU by 20 because our players are confused on defensive rotations from being so new to it again?
Anyway, I'm down with a three man class.
TJD, Brooks and Carton is the ideal.
TJD, Newman and Franklin would be very solid as it would fill needs (guard depth and a stud all from in state).
Any combination in-between is probably what we'll end up with.
I don't see anyone saying they are hoping for any certain person to leave but when there are over 700 transfers a year you should expect some turnover.