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Are we just numb to news about Trump corruption, even convictions?

The Clintons were in power 25 years before Trump came along, sweet cheeks.

Crack open a history book sometime.
The ones from the Clinton years are all dead now and I'm sure Zeke was smitten with good old Bill and wondering how to become an intern.
 
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I mean, just this week we have had the CFO of the Trump Organization sent to Riker's Island for his role in a decade-long tax fraud scheme. Not one peep here.

Today we have the Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud. Still not one peep here.

This ought to be more discussed than the Santos lies, the mishandled documents, and the day-to-day stupidity of politicians on both sides of the aisle. But.... crickets. I guess that will continue as the Georgia election fixing scheme becomes clarified. Then when indictments come in for Jan 6th for administration members.

Are we just comfortable with the accepted facts around rampant and unprecedented corruption at the highest level?
Did you not watch Chappelles monologue on SNL...Hillary...This man doesn't pay his taxes and Don shot back, that makes me smart. You've outlined a court case that happens hundreds of times a day across this country. 1.6 million is chicken change. So Weisselberg does 5 months. This is business in the USA plain and simple. Every business person in the country takes advantage of "the system".

CMON shooter you are better than this...I mean if this was Russia collusion or something where treason was involved you might have had me. :)
 
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Did you not watch Chappelles monologue on SNL...Hillary...This man doesn't pay his taxes and Don shot back that makes me smart. You've outlined a court case that happens hundreds of times a day across this country. 1.6 million is chicken change. So Weisselberg does 5 months. This is business in the USA plain and simple. Every business person in the country takes advantage of "the system".

CMON shooter you are better than this...I mean if this was Russia collusion or something where treason was involved you might have had me. :)
This kind of corruption is much worse than “business”. It’s in givernment. It’s in politics. It’s how bills get passed, bureaucratic rules are made,, and how special interests are advanced. Does anybody think Biden paid FMV for his luxury Virgin Islands holiday? Does anybody wonder how the connection was made with the very wealthy owner of that property and what money , influence or other things of value changed hands? Does anybody believe that the press will look into this? Does anybody think Biden will report any of that as income? Does anybody think that a politically motivated DA will target Biden for any if this? Ya wanna talk about Biden’s Nantucket luxury vacations? Does anybody wanna talk about Obama’s luxury stays at a wealthy individual’s Hawaiian compound? How about all the political meetings at luxury resorts paid by campaign or pack donations? Does anybody think those expensive -paid vacations are reported as income by anybody? No. The political class has made most of this legal. It isn’t bribery. It isn’t corruption. Why don’t those meetings happen at the Holiday Inn Express in Bumfu*ck Nebraska?

Trump? How much bitching and moaning do we see for him charging government for rooms at Mar a Lago? Meanwhile nobody gives a shit about the benefits that changed hands for the several Biden luxury stays at the best resorts.

The whole system stinks. Not only does the system protect its own, it prosecutes the outsiders who don’t use that system.
 
And yet you don’t give a damn about the Biden crime family. Give them the same amount of investigation.

what exactly are the crimes, other than possibly the recent classified docs thing?

absolutely corrupt as heck, but then big money implanted SCOTUS judges officially legalized corruption, even on a massive scale. (which among other things, was a main reason said judges were implanted on the court by big money to begin with).
 
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I mean, just this week we have had the CFO of the Trump Organization sent to Riker's Island for his role in a decade-long tax fraud scheme. Not one peep here.

Today we have the Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud. Still not one peep here.

This ought to be more discussed than the Santos lies, the mishandled documents, and the day-to-day stupidity of politicians on both sides of the aisle. But.... crickets. I guess that will continue as the Georgia election fixing scheme becomes clarified. Then when indictments come in for Jan 6th for administration members.

Are we just comfortable with the accepted facts around rampant and unprecedented corruption at the highest level?

And Mary Jo Kopechne is still dead.

(I declare myself winner of The Great Whatabout War.)
 
Did you not watch Chappelles monologue on SNL...Hillary...This man doesn't pay his taxes and Don shot back, that makes me smart. You've outlined a court case that happens hundreds of times a day across this country. 1.6 million is chicken change. So Weisselberg does 5 months. This is business in the USA plain and simple. Every business person in the country takes advantage of "the system".

CMON shooter you are better than this...I mean if this was Russia collusion or something where treason was involved you might have had me. :)
No, he's not better than that. He's unhinged.
 
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https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2...sation-a-hoax-in-deposition-excerpts-00077970. Trump testified under oath that he has never kissed or touched a woman without their permission. And yet he bragged about doing just that. There’s also at least 20 women who have said otherwise. He also reiterated she wasn’t his type, global warming is a hoax. And all of his other greatest hits.
Are you familiar with Joe Biden? His greatest hits? Not knowing who he is or where he is most of the time.
 
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https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2...sation-a-hoax-in-deposition-excerpts-00077970. Trump testified under oath that he has never kissed or touched a woman without their permission. And yet he bragged about doing just that. There’s also at least 20 women who have said otherwise. He also reiterated she wasn’t his type, global warming is a hoax. And all of his other greatest hits.
CMON zeke...Really? Thats it? Again total weak sauce. Prove treason.

While you're at it show me a politician that didn't get rich off politics.
 
No, he's not better than that. He's unhinged.
It’s not even a problem! Our people won the house and are prepared to do the work of the people! We are going to investigate:
Afghanistan withdrawal
The Big Guy
Hunter Biden
Authenticity of Hunter’s art
Jan 6 committee spoliation
Fauci
IRS Engorgement. Defund
Weaponization of fbi
Timing of Pete’s vacations
Biden absconding with classified docs

And this is only the first quarter!!! Has there ever been a party more corrupt than the Dems? Honestly I don’t see how the party exists after all of this. It’s basically dead.

In the meantime and in between time DeSAVAGE is releasing his Freedom for Florida plan. It’s the perfect balance of limited government, individual rights, and patriotism. He’s basically codifying the reasons everyone is moving to Fla. It will serve as a roadmap for the country in 2024

Wow. What an amazing time to be in the GOP
 
It’s not even a problem! Our people won the house and are prepared to do the work of the people! We are going to investigate:
Afghanistan withdrawal
The Big Guy
Hunter Biden
Authenticity of Hunter’s art
Jan 6 committee spoliation
Fauci
IRS Engorgement. Defund
Weaponization of fbi
Timing of Pete’s vacations
Biden absconding with classified docs

And this is only the first quarter!!! Has there ever been a party more corrupt than the Dems? Honestly I don’t see how the party exists after all of this. It’s basically dead.

In the meantime and in between time DeSAVAGE is releasing his Freedom for Florida plan. It’s the perfect balance of limited government, individual rights, and patriotism. He’s basically codifying the reasons everyone is moving to Fla. It will serve as a roadmap for the country in 2024

Wow. What an amazing time to be in the GOP
Which Murt is this?

Also, do you really think anything will happen? I mean look what happened with Durham. (He did have a crooked everything going against him) BUT and how will this be different? I would expect this to go speedy but HOW will that happen? Great list BTW and it will be nice to see the tables flipped without basement meetings OR staged and rigged sh!t hiding evidence. Transparency would be the greatest thing for all Americans with a fair press reporting on all of it. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN IMO
 
Which Murt is this?

Also, do you really think anything will happen? I mean look what happened with Durham. (He did have a crooked everything going against him) BUT and how will this be different? I would expect this to go speedy but HOW will that happen? Great list BTW and it will be nice to see the tables flipped without basement meetings OR staged and rigged sh!t hiding evidence. Transparency would be the greatest thing for all Americans with a fair press reporting on all of it. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN IMO
No. And it doesn’t need to happen. Sane members would hold a press conference stating that they have three goals: 1) reduce spending, 2) reduce the size and scope of gov, 3) then reduce our taxes. That’s our goal and we will devote all of our time to bringing same to fruition. We hope Dems will work with us
 
It’s not even a problem! Our people won the house and are prepared to do the work of the people! We are going to investigate: Afghanistan withdrawal The Big Guy Hunter Biden Authenticity of Hunter’s art Jan 6 committee spoliation Fauci IRS Engorgement. Defund Weaponization of fbi Timing of Pete’s vacations Biden absconding with classified docs And this is only the first quarter!!! Has there ever been a party more corrupt than the Dems? Honestly I don’t see how the party exists after all of this. It’s basically dead. In the meantime and in between time DeSAVAGE is releasing his Freedom for Florida plan. It’s the perfect balance of limited government, individual rights, and patriotism. He’s basically codifying the reasons everyone is moving to Fla. It will serve as a roadmap for the country in 2024 Wow. What an amazing time to be in the GOP
You forgot impeachment of the treasonous Mayorkas.
 
No. And it doesn’t need to happen. Sane members would hold a press conference stating that they have three goals: 1) reduce spending, 2) reduce the size and scope of gov, 3) then reduce our taxes. That’s our goal and we will devote all of our time to bringing same to fruition. We hope Dems will work with us
Agree but in all seriousness a couple items on your list need to happen but they don’t need to be the focus.

Unfortunately I don’t think republicans can cooperate enough with each other to pass anything on the three items you mentioned.
 
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No. And it doesn’t need to happen. Sane members would hold a press conference stating that they have three goals: 1) reduce spending, 2) reduce the size and scope of gov, 3) then reduce our taxes. That’s our goal and we will devote all of our time to bringing same to fruition. We hope Dems will work with us
So your saying it doesn't need to happen. So just look the other way and sweep it all under a rug? Attempt the 3 items on your list?
 
So your saying it doesn't need to happen. So just look the other way and sweep it all under a rug? Attempt the 3 items on your list?
To the extent investigations occur they need to do so in the proper context. Not as a tv show. We are in a tit for tat loop that needs to stop. Policy should be at the forefront. Compromise. Decorum needs to return. Our gov is truly broken. And coh gets grief but he’s right on many fronts. 2,000 page bills that no one can conceivably read much less know what’s actually in them isn’t okay. The pay to play committee structure. So many things are broken. When that’s the backdrop of inflating the irs to chase down little guys, which is what’s going g to happen in reality, it makes a large swath of the population dislike gov and our reps. We don’t want the gov harassing our offices to collect money to pay for 2,000 page bills while all we see on tv is you’re dirty, you’re dirtier, no you are
 
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To the extent investigations occur they need to do so in the proper context. Not as a tv show. We are in a tit for tat loop that needs to stop. Policy should be at the forefront. Compromise. Decorum needs to return. Our gov is truly broken. And coh gets grief but he’s right on many fronts. 2,000 page bills that no one can conceivably read much less know what’s actually in them isn’t okay. The pay to play committee structure. So many things are broken. When that’s the backdrop of inflating the irs to chase down little guys, which is what’s going g to happen in reality, it makes a large swath of the population dislike gov and our reps. We don’t want the gov harassing our offices to collect money to pay for 2,000 page bills while all we see on tv is you’re dirty, you’re dirtier, no you are
I agree that the 2000 page bills filled with un-needed horse shit need to stop, but I don't agree its been tit for tat. A two year investigation that the dems knew was total BS because of Adam Schiff and his lies and basement meetings is not tit or tat. Neither was the 6th. It was all dog and pony and cost millions of dollars brought to you by a total corrupt government, fbi, doj, msm, and others. They should be held accountable but it will never come to fruition.

You want to change the perception of the people towards all of it just be transparent. I'm talking out my a$$ though it will never happen. Its too far gone. Like I asked above...Show me ONE politician not getting rich off politics and theres your honest leader. Can you name one?
 
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I agree that the 2000 page bills filled with un-needed horse shit need to stop, but I don't agree its been tit for tat. A two year investigation that the dems knew was total BS because of Adam Schiff and his lies and basement meetings is not tit or tat. Neither was the 6th. It was all dog and pony and cost millions of dollars brought to you by a total corrupt government, fbi, doj, msm, and others. They should be held accountable but it will never come to fruition.

You want to change the perception of the people towards all of it just be transparent. I'm talking out my a$$ though it will never happen. Its to far gone. Like I asked above...Show me ONE politician not getting rich off politics and theres your honest leader. Can you name one?
i was being hyperbolic and satirical with my post. the gop is dead. have we ever seen a more corrupt party. how does the party move forward. it can't. how many times have we read same from the shallow thinkers on this board. anyone who isn't partisan knows you can easily dig in and say the same about the other party. it does nothing to move the needle. and the representatives who subscribe to that approach garner the lion's share of the media attention. it doesn't benefit us. policy. whatever your bent is. tiny gov to full socialism. whatever. that should be the focus. let untoward behavior be internally regulated and if it's found then share the results in an appropriate fashion. even the title of this thread. show me a criminal judgment with trump's name on it. show me one. yet it is a constant part of the news cycle. the current posture of both parties does nothing to improve our lives
 
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show me a criminal judgment with trump's name on it. show me one. yet it is a constant part of the news cycle.
Generally, I agree with your post. I think both major political parties, as we've known them for the last 50 years, are dead. They're morphing into something else - Democrats have morphed into supporting whoever pays them campaign funds and will favor whatever positions the payers might ask for, and the GOP ain't much different from that, except from whom they get their campaign funds is different - and the brand equity will carry their names forward into the future.

Regarding the above line in particular, I would say "Patience, grasshopper." It's early yet . . . the special grand jury has only just completed its work. Your insistence on a "criminal judgment" short circuits the criminal process here.


Fani Willis isn't someone to trifle with . . . .

 
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Generally, I agree with your post. I think both major political parties, as we've known them for the last 50 years, are dead. They're morphing into something else - Democrats have morphed into supporting whoever pays them campaign funds whatever positions the payers might ask for, and the GOP ain't much different from that, except from whom they get their campaign funds is different - and the brand equity will carry their names forward into the future.

Regarding the above line in particular, I would say "Patience, grasshopper." It's early yet . . . the special grand jury has only just completed its work. Your insistence on a "criminal judgment" short circuits the criminal process here.


Fani Willis isn't someone to trifle with . . . .

I haven’t looked in some time but when I did I thought the potential state charges weren’t something a 76 year old guy with no priors would go to the pokey over. Correct me if I’m wrong. Would be a conviction tho
 
I haven’t looked in some time but when I did I thought the potential state charges weren’t something a 76 year old guy with no priors would go to the pokey over. Correct me if I’m wrong. Would be a conviction tho

Pokey... solid word choice there.
 
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i was being hyperbolic and satirical with my post. the gop is dead. have we ever seen a more corrupt party. how does the party move forward. it can't. how many times have we read same from the shallow thinkers on this board. anyone who isn't partisan knows you can easily dig in and say the same about the other party. it does nothing to move the needle. and the representatives who subscribe to that approach garner the lion's share of the media attention. it doesn't benefit us. policy. whatever your bent is. tiny gov to full socialism. whatever. that should be the focus. let untoward behavior be internally regulated and if it's found then share the results in an appropriate fashion. even the title of this thread. show me a criminal judgment with trump's name on it. show me one. yet it is a constant part of the news cycle. the current posture of both parties does nothing to improve our lives
Both parties are deeply vested in legalized corruption. Until we address spouses, siblings, and offspring selling and peddling the influence of a member of congress, we cannot fix anything.
I’ll bet you a six-pack the appropriation for funding some kind of gender/woke education in Pakistan has the fingerprints of a congressional relative on it.

When a member of congress retires they go to work lobbying for somebody and make gobs of money. Think John Boehner and marijuanna.

We can’t fix this because of all the self interests involved.

Some suggested fixes.

If any government official (including military) becomes a lobbyist or influence peddler, the money earned for that will offset their government pension dollar for dollar.

No member of the immediate famiky of an elected public official can be a regestered lobbyist or agent of a foreign entity.

End all earmarks.

No campaign funds may be used for a candidate’s personal expenses except within 60 days of an election.
 
It’s not even a problem! Our people won the house and are prepared to do the work of the people! We are going to investigate:
Afghanistan withdrawal
The Big Guy
Hunter Biden
Authenticity of Hunter’s art
Jan 6 committee spoliation
Fauci
IRS Engorgement. Defund
Weaponization of fbi
Timing of Pete’s vacations
Biden absconding with classified docs

And this is only the first quarter!!! Has there ever been a party more corrupt than the Dems? Honestly I don’t see how the party exists after all of this. It’s basically dead.

In the meantime and in between time DeSAVAGE is releasing his Freedom for Florida plan. It’s the perfect balance of limited government, individual rights, and patriotism. He’s basically codifying the reasons everyone is moving to Fla. It will serve as a roadmap for the country in 2024

Wow. What an amazing time to be in the GOP
Woke up feisty today, I see.
 
Woke up feisty today, I see.
It’s not even a problem! Our people won the house and are prepared to do the work of the people! We are going to investigate:
Afghanistan withdrawal
The Big Guy
Hunter Biden
Authenticity of Hunter’s art
Jan 6 committee spoliation
Fauci
IRS Engorgement. Defund
Weaponization of fbi
Timing of Pete’s vacations
Biden absconding with classified docs

And this is only the first quarter!!! Has there ever been a party more corrupt than the Dems? Honestly I don’t see how the party exists after all of this. It’s basically dead.

In the meantime and in between time DeSAVAGE is releasing his Freedom for Florida plan. It’s the perfect balance of limited government, individual rights, and patriotism. He’s basically codifying the reasons everyone is moving to Fla. It will serve as a roadmap for the country in 2024

Wow. What an amazing time to be in the GOP
I just don't see the GOP having any success in investigating any of this, particularly with such a small majority in just the house but more because of their history of not getting anything done that matters to voters.

As for trump, I don't see him as relevant anymore. At one time I had hoped an outsider would have had an impact on DC but he failed at that. Much of it was his lack of skill in government and in surrounding himself with good people, and much of it was his lack of any sort of character.
 
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https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2...sation-a-hoax-in-deposition-excerpts-00077970. Trump testified under oath that he has never kissed or touched a woman without their permission. And yet he bragged about doing just that. There’s also at least 20 women who have said otherwise. He also reiterated she wasn’t his type, global warming is a hoax. And all of his other greatest hits.
bill clinton politics GIF
 
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Today’s going to be horrible. Four tween sleepover
Lol. Forgot about MLK Day. It was the worst at the house. Recruitment was over, hardest time of years for girls and they hadn’t partied since first of December. They hit the darties HARD that day. One year someone almost burned the house down and I had to corral all the hammered girls outside while fire and police came. They really used MLK Day off as a day of service, just as intended.
At least you don’t have to worry about alcohol yet!
 
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CMON zeke...Really? Thats it? Again total weak sauce. Prove treason.

While you're at it show me a politician that didn't get rich off politics.
Um I’m not talking about either of those. Im talking about sexually assaulting women.
 
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Donuts. I’m not cooking
That is the easy way out...Wake up and sneak out for donuts and if they are like mine some kind of iced peppermint yada yada yada. Coffee for myself. Sometimes I make pancakes or waffles for the group.

WE just got a Krispy Kreme over in Castleton. ADDICTIVE. Freakin forgot how good those things are warm. For gawds sakes they are like crack.
 
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Lol. Forgot about MLK Day. It was the worst at the house. Recruitment was over, hardest time of years for girls and they hadn’t partied since first of December. They hit the darties HARD that day. One year someone almost burned the house down and I had to corral all the hammered girls outside while fire and police came. They really used MLK Day off as a day of service, just as intended.
At least you don’t have to worry about alcohol yet!
Omg no kidding re alcohol.
 
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