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Archie shouldnt survive this season.

Buzz turned around a dreadful Virginia Tech program. He can coach at the high major level.
He runs the same crap Crean runs .

Same lack of defense, same lack of possession emphasis, same weird sub patterns, same offense.

lmao...
 
He runs the same crap Crean runs .

Same lack of defense, same lack of possession emphasis, same weird sub patterns, same offense.

lmao...

LMAO they had three straight losing seasons before Williams took over. He has them ranked in the top 10. Virginia Tech is ranked in the top ten.....in basketball. He took Marquette to three straight Sweet Sixteens as well.
 
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? Why does it matter why he kept them? The point is he's had a full roster of legit D-1 kids---this is not a rebuild, per say, imo.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion
? Why does it matter why he kept them? The point is he's had a full roster of legit D-1 kids---this is not a rebuild, per say, imo.
Really! It’s just like with coaching staffs they want their own players and coaches. If you are Syracuse who plays zone you want length and not a bunch of short guys. Every coach wants their type of players and not someone else’s even if they’re 4 stars.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion

Really! It’s just like with coaching staffs they want their own players and coaches. If you are Syracuse who plays zone you want length and not a bunch of short guys. Every coach wants their type of players and not someone else’s even if they’re 4 stars.
Yes, I get that, but a "rebuild" is when you start from the ground up, with nothing or very little. That is NOT what CAM is doing. He has stepped into a situation with a stocked roster,(albeit with players not of his choosing & of course over time he would get different types of players that fit his system)in which he is COACHING to win--right now, or at least that WAS the plan before these last 6 games, & let's not pretend like it wasn't the plan at that time. Because this has turned into a disaster doesn't suddenly make it a rebuilding season. & even though this roster is not full of his type of players, doesn't mean he wasn't coaching this team to win, just like any other team.
 
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and why do you think those "adequate" players give us an advantage over the adequate players on every other team in the league?
What makes you think that I think those adequate players give an advantage....yada yada yada..what in TH are you talking about?? DID I SAY THAT?????
 
I love these fans who think contracts are honored these days lol. Archie will not be coach of Indiana after next season if we don't make the tournament next season 4 years in a row 3 with Archie no way unless he has like the fab 5 coming in in his fourth year
 
Should Miller leave before the end of the contract, he would owe the university 100 percent of his remaining salary (base pay, outside, marketing and promotional income, and deferred compensation) through March 31, 2019, 50 percent of his remaining salary for one year after that, $1 million for the next two years after that, and $500,000 in either of the final two years of the deal.

In the event IU wished to buy out Miller's contract, it would owe him 100 percent of his remaining salary before March 31, 2022, and 50 percent of his remaining salary thereafter, through the life of the contract.
 
It’s bigger than Archie or Allen. The culture at the top has to change. Replacing coaches is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Could not agree more. We have a feckless AD. Give Coach a chance to recruit his own. Time will tell if it all works out. Myles Brand and the BOT are the ones who started this downward spiral.
 
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Fred Glass will not be making any decisions regarding the firing of Archie Miller. Big donors will make sure of that. If next year is another dumpster fire finally, finally Fred Glass will be terminated, a new AD will be hired and it will be the new ADs job to take care of basketball program. Go read the IBJ article where Bart Kaufman (the same Kaufman as baseball stadium) is quoted as saying he doesn’t think Glass knows much about picking coaches.
 
Is this a rebuild though? I know he needs to get his own kids, but he kept all of the kids in Crean's class from the year he came, plus Juwan Morgan, Devonte Green, Deron Davis, etc. I wouldn't consider it a rebuild, but of course he needs & deserves time to see what he can do. No question though, these last 2 weeks have been an alarming disaster. This level of play shouldn't happen at any time, with any team. It's worrisome.
Minus Blackmon, Bryant, OG
The cupboard wasn’t actually full.
 
Minus Blackmon, Bryant, OG
The cupboard wasn’t actually full.
The cupboard is never “full” when a coach is fired. Hence the reason they were fired.

But Archie inherited a better roster than most new coaches do. It could have been a lot worse.
 
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Agree. There’s something going on internally with the team, including the coaches, that has led to a great loss of focus and competitiveness. The two defensive lapses in a row when Michigan went out to a 12 zip league at the beginning of the game, epitomized just how bad the competitiveness and play is right now. Matador defense as a description by Gus was much too kind. Just a total systemic breakdown that can’t be explained.
Archie right now is in no way one of the top 10 coaches in the league, and Romeo’s shooting, ball handling, movement without the ball, and defense are mediocre at best. Has Archie been treating Romeo like a star in practice? Are there player resentments Archie can’t control? Do the players not respect the system he uses on both ends? What the heck is going on???
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The cupboard is never “full” when a coach is fired. Hence the reason they were fired.

But Archie inherited a better roster than most new coaches do. It could have been a lot worse.
Plus it is the head coaches job to evaluate the team and see who needs to go and who needs to stay.
 
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Minus Blackmon, Bryant, OG
The cupboard wasn’t actually full.[/QUOTE

It wasn't empty though. Which is a required characteristic of "rebuild". At least it is on the planet I'm from.
 
This team is a symptom of the unbalanced recruiting crean is known for. Just look at the class we have and the class coming in. Very big roster turnover with lots of very young 4 year type players. We have no post player other than Morgan. Morgan really isn’t a true post. Guys playing out of position too. No team with this many injuries and lack of good personnel will ever be great. Add in no shooters=disaster and disappointing results. Give Archie time.

Well, there’s that and also the fact that the coach isn’t a very good motivator who stands on the sidelines much of the game in a glassy-eyed daze. I get the out of sync, bad fit, not “his guys” stuff....but isn’t the coach astute enough to know when guys aren’t giving effort and yanking their ass?

We have two guards that don’t get any playing time. Rightfully so. They aren’t skilled like Romeo. But, if Romeo is going to half-ass it 50% of the time, put in Vijay or Jager for the minutes that Romeo decides to take the day off.
 
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Fred Glass will not be making any decisions regarding the firing of Archie Miller. Big donors will make sure of that. If next year is another dumpster fire finally, finally Fred Glass will be terminated, a new AD will be hired and it will be the new ADs job to take care of basketball program. Go read the IBJ article where Bart Kaufman (the same Kaufman as baseball stadium) is quoted as saying he doesn’t think Glass knows much about picking coaches.
Fred badly wanted Crean retained and he assured him that his job was safe, which is why Crean was leaving on vacation when the axe fell. Crean was blindsided because Fred lost control of the situation. Glass had the decision taken away from him after ignoring the advice of certain trustees for too long, and QB was sent to tell him what was going to happen. It’s why Crean was so shocked.

Glass will never be left alone to manage high profile hiring and firings again. He manages the books, he raises money, and he works within IU protocols to make capital projects go. That’s all good. And except for the Memorial Stadium shitshow that his team knew about before game day and did nothing about believing the rain would wash it away, he’s done fine. But he’s not a manager of coaches and his superiors know that now. Whenever it’s Archie’s time to go, Glass won’t be the one making the call.
 
We kept Knight to long and then hired a coach for the most stupid reason. Sampson was a great coach just a bad guy. Crean just wasn’t consistent enough. Archie has 5-7 years of very hard work to do. Our fan base will never allow any hint of failure let alone the very tedious process of rebuilding. Which make no mistake we are in full rebuild mode!

I believe that we've detected more than a hint.
 
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He flat out stinks.

Interesting that someone disagrees with you.

“Patience is not something a lot of fans have,” Knight said. “But this kid (Miller) is going to do a good job. Why? Because he can coach. Most of the coaches I’ve known, can’t coach. You folks are going to appreciate him, but it ain’t gonna happen in a year."

And if you need clarification that is Knight as in Robert M. Knight. Yes, it is from last year for Archie didn't lose his coaching ability in 12 months.
 
Fred badly wanted Crean retained and he assured him that his job was safe, which is why Crean was leaving on vacation when the axe fell. Crean was blindsided because Fred lost control of the situation. Glass had the decision taken away from him after ignoring the advice of certain trustees for too long, and QB was sent to tell him what was going to happen. It’s why Crean was so shocked.

Glass will never be left alone to manage high profile hiring and firings again. He manages the books, he raises money, and he works within IU protocols to make capital projects go. That’s all good. And except for the Memorial Stadium shitshow that his team knew about before game day and did nothing about believing the rain would wash it away, he’s done fine. But he’s not a manager of coaches and his superiors know that now. Whenever it’s Archie’s time to go, Glass won’t be the one making the call.
Amen brother theres only one thing McRobbie and Glass care about!
 
Fred badly wanted Crean retained and he assured him that his job was safe, which is why Crean was leaving on vacation when the axe fell. Crean was blindsided because Fred lost control of the situation. Glass had the decision taken away from him after ignoring the advice of certain trustees for too long, and QB was sent to tell him what was going to happen. It’s why Crean was so shocked.

Glass will never be left alone to manage high profile hiring and firings again. He manages the books, he raises money, and he works within IU protocols to make capital projects go. That’s all good. And except for the Memorial Stadium shitshow that his team knew about before game day and did nothing about believing the rain would wash it away, he’s done fine. But he’s not a manager of coaches and his superiors know that now. Whenever it’s Archie’s time to go, Glass won’t be the one making the call.

Glass screws up in other ways besides poor coaching hires. Costing Bryant Fitzgerald his freshman season eligibility was a massive failure. Neglecting football and basketball facilities is another. It should not have taken until Fall 2018 to build a decent locker room and players lounge for men’s basketball. It should not have taken until fall 2019 to build a decent football locker room.
 
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Interesting that someone disagrees with you.

“Patience is not something a lot of fans have,” Knight said. “But this kid (Miller) is going to do a good job. Why? Because he can coach. Most of the coaches I’ve known, can’t coach. You folks are going to appreciate him, but it ain’t gonna happen in a year."

And if you need clarification that is Knight as in Robert M. Knight. Yes, it is from last year for Archie didn't lose his coaching ability in 12 months.
IU has found a Tim Miles/Fran McCaffrey...
 
It's a good thing that Duke didn't follow your lead on Mike Krzyzewski and fire him after his first 3 seasons record: 17-13, 10-17, and 11-17. Archie needs more time!
Nothing like finding the one anomaly out of hundreds of examples.

I’m sure you were one of those saying the same thing for Crean his first 8 years.
 
I hate the be the bearer of bad news, but Archie isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon. I know you guys are a top program, and you want to win now but it will take Archie time to build your program to where you want it. He will get the players, but it doesn’t happen overnight.
 
Interesting that someone disagrees with you.

“Patience is not something a lot of fans have,” Knight said. “But this kid (Miller) is going to do a good job. Why? Because he can coach. Most of the coaches I’ve known, can’t coach. You folks are going to appreciate him, but it ain’t gonna happen in a year."

And if you need clarification that is Knight as in Robert M. Knight. Yes, it is from last year for Archie didn't lose his coaching ability in 12 months.

it's ironic that feepaw went tubing with this man a couple times...
 
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Fred Glass will not be making any decisions regarding the firing of Archie Miller. Big donors will make sure of that. If next year is another dumpster fire finally, finally Fred Glass will be terminated, a new AD will be hired and it will be the new ADs job to take care of basketball program. Go read the IBJ article where Bart Kaufman (the same Kaufman as baseball stadium) is quoted as saying he doesn’t think Glass knows much about picking coaches.

The new AD, if he is smart and follows the same blueprint as any successful AD in this country, will focus on BOTH football and basketball with heavy investment in constant facility expansion. That’s the only way to success. If that means clean house in both football and basketball...do it and get serious about salaries and luring top coaching to B-Town. There is absolutely no excuse to not field competitive teams in both. Don’t be cheap and run this thing like a Power 5 school. Glass is damn near flirting with MAC status. Still say they should have torn down the relic SSAH and built a brand new place that is modern and fan friendly. Reading the history on the design of that place is fascinating. The AD was adamantly opposed to a bowl, which isn’t all that bad but he was kosher with high balconies and seats at the back of the main level where you couldn’t even see the scoreboard.
 
Fred badly wanted Crean retained and he assured him that his job was safe, which is why Crean was leaving on vacation when the axe fell. Crean was blindsided because Fred lost control of the situation. Glass had the decision taken away from him after ignoring the advice of certain trustees for too long, and QB was sent to tell him what was going to happen. It’s why Crean was so shocked.

Glass will never be left alone to manage high profile hiring and firings again. He manages the books, he raises money, and he works within IU protocols to make capital projects go. That’s all good. And except for the Memorial Stadium shitshow that his team knew about before game day and did nothing about believing the rain would wash it away, he’s done fine. But he’s not a manager of coaches and his superiors know that now. Whenever it’s Archie’s time to go, Glass won’t be the one making the call.
you sound like you have some insider knowledge. care to share why?
 
This shows we have the talent to beat anyone.

We just have to be more consistent.
 
You guys played a hell of a game without Morgan and on the road. They didn’t have Langford but they were 7-1 without him. Big win for you guys
 
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