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You do know that most of the infrastructure bill was baked into the 5year-renewal of the highway trust fund bill.
I read your article exactly opposite, the 5 year renewal was baked into the infrastructure bill. From your article, bolding mine:

In addition to new investments in surface transportation, transit, broadband, energy, water, tax breaks, and other transportation spending, the bipartisan infrastructure law (officially the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act) included a five-year reauthorization of surface transportation programs, also known as a Highway Bill.
 
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Just think it's now as bad as 50 years ago? So what. I said violent crime is up. The idiotic policies and rehetoric of the far left have contributed to a rise that you have to go back 50 years to compare to. They've eliminated all of the gains we've made as a country - spanning decades. What's more they did it predicated on a false narrative. Harris and AOC and others have blood on their hands. Despicable.

Fortunately BIden and Adams and others are recognizing their stupidty and addressing things - encouraging monies be spent to increase police presence in cities all over.
 
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Imagine Pollyanna Progressives, with all of the access to this data, and gaining an understanding that violent crime rates are significantly lower than the 90s, still advocating for Defund the Police.

One of these parties is an embarrassment - and one is completely unfit to govern.
Kentucky
South Carolina
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Alaska
Alabama
West Virginia
New Mexico
Mississippi
Louisiana

Would you agree these are really red states? Some of the reddest of the red?
 
VIolent crime is up. There's nothing to debate. I blame it on woke politicians at the local level and anti cop rhetoric giving rise to retirements and resignations. For the record I don't blame Biden

Could it also be that downtowns are ghost towns these days? I wouldn’t call Indy unsafe, but it is certainly dead. A lot of zombies roaming the streets.

Also people have lost their damn minds over the last 2 years. Often the actions of the crazy end up being criminal.
 
Could it also be that downtowns are ghost towns these days? I wouldn’t call Indy unsafe, but it is certainly dead. A lot of zombies roaming the streets.

Also people have lost their damn minds over the last 2 years. Often the actions of the crazy end up being criminal.
What my cop buddies have told me is that 1) people have lost their damn minds over the last two years as a result of the pandemic. that poor areas and people prone to crime have endured greater stress and pressure and are losing their shit; 2) a ton of guns have been sold in this time and for some reason guns are more prevalent and sold illegally and getting into the hands of bad guys faster than ever; and 3) the summer of love and anticop political rhetoric has divided cops from the communities they police. cops have less interest in proactive policing and communities have ill will towards cops and less interest in working with them. and there's fewer cops out there due to resignations and early retirements
 
So, what's your interpretation of what "all-time high" means? You've quickly pivoted off of your criticism of KCM's data to a new political complaint unrelated to the data because it sure looks like KCM was right in his criticism of the claim that your boy was making.
I’m referring to local highs. All time high means absolutely nothing. Wouldn’t you agree? And I’ve not pivoted off of criticizing KCM’s data. It’s incomplete. Not having 2020-2021 is clearly incomplete. So, no, he wasn’t right from his data. He’s likely right that it doesn’t show that we’re at an “all time high” because that would be a silly claim.

Local highs exhibit themselves in the data. Early 90s are a local high. I’d be utterly shocked if 2020-21 aren’t local highs.

Sorry I tend to speak in data nerd sometimes.
 
What my cop buddies have told me is that 1) people have lost their damn minds over the last two years as a result of the pandemic. that poor areas and people prone to crime have endured greater stress and pressure and are losing their shit; 2) a ton of guns have been sold in this time and for some reason guns are more prevalent and sold illegally and getting into the hands of bad guys faster than ever; and 3) the summer of love and anticop political rhetoric has divided cops from the communities they police. cops have less interest in proactive policing and communities have ill will towards cops and less interest in working with them. and there's fewer cops out there due to resignations and early retirements
I agree that the current political climate has made being a cop a tough career choice. Why we have chosen to shit on cops and teachers is beyond me. Two noble professions that are underpaid and under appreciated on the best day. The crap both have had to put up with lately is complete bull shit.
 
I agree that the current political climate has made being a cop a tough career choice. Why we have chosen to shit on cops and teachers is beyond me. Two noble professions that are underpaid and under appreciated on the best day. The crap both have had to put up with lately is complete bull shit.
Both have to be a tough selling recruiting at this point
 
They both are, and guess what happens? We get worse cops and worse teachers. Is this what people want? Really?
While there is some undeserved right wing ire directed at Big Teacher - it’s at their national union heads and the like - and the teachers in my life despise them too. At the ground level they are getting pounded by idiot parents and dealing with problem children of absentee parents. That’s not political.

The loon wing of the Democratic Party declared open war on police in 2020 based on “feelings” and an inability to understand data and macro trends.

Words have consequences.
 
I agree that the current political climate has made being a cop a tough career choice. Why we have chosen to shit on cops and teachers is beyond me. Two noble professions that are underpaid and under appreciated on the best day. The crap both have had to put up with lately is complete bull shit.

Both cops and teachers are necessary and honored professions, but the causes of their negative public images are entirely different.

Teachers are easily explained by their single national union voice and various local loud voices that don’t resonate with many parents. None of those voices speak for all teachers by any means, but dissenting teacher positions are never recognized.

Cops don’t speak with a national single voice. But the anti-cop voice overstating excessive force and racism while subtlety encouraging disrespect and disobedience is unmistakable and comes from the highest levels of national, state, and local Democratic office-holders.
 
Both cops and teachers are necessary and honored professions, but the causes of their negative public images are entirely different.

Teachers are easily explained by their single national union voice and various local loud voices that don’t resonate with many parents. None of those voices speak for all teachers by any means, but dissenting teacher positions are never recognized.

Cops don’t speak with a national single voice. But the anti-cop voice overstating excessive force and racism while subtlety encouraging disrespect and disobedience is unmistakable and comes from the highest levels of national, state, and local Democratic office-holders.
This is the least surprising response ever. I could have written this for you COH. Right side swipes at teachers - ok. Left side swipes at police - not ok. Damn.
 
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Both cops and teachers are necessary and honored professions, but the causes of their negative public images are entirely different.

Teachers are easily explained by their single national union voice and various local loud voices that don’t resonate with many parents. None of those voices speak for all teachers by any means, but dissenting teacher positions are never recognized.

Cops don’t speak with a national single voice. But the anti-cop voice overstating excessive force and racism while subtlety encouraging disrespect and disobedience is unmistakable and comes from the highest levels of national, state, and local Democratic office-holders.
I think you are understating the right side attack of teachers, especially from elected GOP. Also, there is a crazy parent wing of the GOP. Here in Indiana it is called the Liberty Party and they won a few state legislative seats.
 
Anecdotally, some issues in Indy began before COVID. Gencon forums noted a lot of car break-ins in 2018. In 2019 not only were there break-ins but cars in garages damaged by gunfire.

Homicides in Indy has gone from 14.8 in the 90s to 11.5 around 2010 to 18.4 in 2018. It is higher now I am sure. But the curve upward began before COVID.

 
Both cops and teachers are necessary and honored professions, but the causes of their negative public images are entirely different.

Teachers are easily explained by their single national union voice and various local loud voices that don’t resonate with many parents. None of those voices speak for all teachers by any means, but dissenting teacher positions are never recognized.

Cops don’t speak with a national single voice. But the anti-cop voice overstating excessive force and racism while subtlety encouraging disrespect and disobedience is unmistakable and comes from the highest levels of national, state, and local Democratic office-holders.
Actually, I think the problem from both stem from their unions. From what I've seen in Chicago, police unions protect bad cops too much.
 
Actually, I think the problem from both stem from their unions. From what I've seen in Chicago, police unions protect bad cops too much.
Yeah. I think the FOP protecting a cops job, or the CTA protecting a teachers job is a different thing though.
 
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He’s not my buddy - but you’re acting like a fool. The claim was that UNDER BIDEN, crime is way up.

I suspect it’s true (but double is hyperbole) - but there is no data yet available for 2021. So you, who doesn’t think he’s wrong - shows data from Obama and Trump presidencies to prove it isn’t up UNDER BIDEN.

Do you see a problem here?
Hold up, that wasn't the claim. The claim was that crime "is at an all time high." I appreciate you demanding accuracy and precision from kraft, but don't let ftw off the hook while doing it. His claim was facially ridiculous.
 
Hold up, that wasn't the claim. The claim was that crime "is at an all time high." I appreciate you demanding accuracy and precision from kraft, but don't let ftw off the hook while doing it. His claim was facially ridiculous.
Crime is clustering. For many people and in many locations, it is an all time high. That’s pretty much undeniable.
 
And bubonic plague is at an all time high for the unfortunate few who have bubonic plague. But that doesn't mean we're on the verge of another Black Death.
I don’t get your point. Crime us a very significant social problem. Stores are closing, people leave vehicles unlocked in hopes that people win break in, drug dealers and gun runners prey on targeted populations , and democratic mayors and prosecutors are the common denominator.
 
Hold up, that wasn't the claim. The claim was that crime "is at an all time high." I appreciate you demanding accuracy and precision from kraft, but don't let ftw off the hook while doing it. His claim was facially ridiculous.
Panties twisted? I don't need a link. I have 30-40 hate crime, theft crime, and murders daily on my news feed. Thats all the proof I need. Ohhh and lets not leave out the liberal riot driven summer of love of 2020. How many lives and how many billions in damage? Theres your Biden challenge answer.

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Hold up, that wasn't the claim. The claim was that crime "is at an all time high." I appreciate you demanding accuracy and precision from kraft, but don't let ftw off the hook while doing it. His claim was facially ridiculous.
As I’ve said in later posts
 
Actually, I think the problem from both stem from their unions. From what I've seen in Chicago, police unions protect bad cops too much.
While that was (and probably still is) the case, with the anti-cop sentiment at a recent high, now they’re needed. BLM and Defund the Police made the cop unions stronger.
 
Passed a critically needed infrastructure bill.
Marv curious what you think about the below article.


The infrastructure bill was obviously an overpriced boondoggle, that’s the only way you can get even worthwhile spending bills passed these days.

But I think the article does a good job of putting our world infrastructure ranking in the context of the countries ahead of us on the list and comparing us to similarly populous and sized countries. No country with our land mass and/ or population can even touch us on infrastructure.

Infrastructure is an easy sell because every Tom, dick and Jane has hit a pothole on an interstate or seen an old bridge.

But ultimately our infrastructure woes are far overblown. Given the spending in this bill, we were likely better off without it.
 
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I don’t get your point. Crime us a very significant social problem. Stores are closing, people leave vehicles unlocked in hopes that people win break in, drug dealers and gun runners prey on targeted populations , and democratic mayors and prosecutors are the common denominator.
Crime is a very big problem. I probably have a better appreciation of how much more than you at the moment. But that doesn't change the fact that FTW's statement was pure bullshit.
 
I was a page behind.
KCM posted something that refuted part of what FTW was saying. I didn’t acknowledge that as I was reading FTW’s post entirely from the Biden viewpoint. I was not clear enough. All time highs mean nothing except for sporting records.
 
KCM posted something that refuted part of what FTW was saying. I didn’t acknowledge that as I was reading FTW’s post entirely from the Biden viewpoint. I was not clear enough. All time highs mean nothing except for sporting records.
For a hyperbolic poster like FTW, "all time high" means "it's worse than it's ever been in this country because we're f*cked because Democrats GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!"
 
Marv curious what you think about the below article.


The infrastructure bill was obviously an overpriced boondoggle, that’s the only way you can get even worthwhile spending bills passed these days.

But I think the article does a good job of putting our world infrastructure ranking in the context of the countries ahead of us on the list and comparing us to similarly populous and sized countries. No country with our land mass and/ or population can even touch us on infrastructure.

Infrastructure is an easy sell because every Tom, dick and Jane has hit a pothole on an interstate or seen an old bridge.

But ultimately our infrastructure woes are far overblown. Given the spending in this bill, we were likely better off without it.
I am not sure why the size matters, if you move from a 2000 sq foot home to a 6000 sq foot home, would you elect to to really clean or paint the extra 4000 feet because it is unrealistic.

Last year we had a bridge collapse in PA, the Brent Spence bridge in Cincy has long, long outlived it's lifespan.

The expected dam lifespan is 50 years, 1049 dams in Michigan are at least 74 years.


One problem we have, congress can build a new item and get headlines for bringing home the bacon. Getting money to repair infrastructure does usually not get the page one above the fold. So we are willing to let deferred maintenance suffer.
 
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