2015-2016 Season: Big Ten Teams Personnel
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I'm shocked at no Fred VanVleet and I'm not a WSU fan. Almost as shocked no Nigel Hayes.
Trimble is a fine PG no doubt. However in rough numbers he averages about 1/2 the assists and 2x the TO's of VanVleet. He seemed to be a bit of a turnover machine the couple of times I watched him (on TV alas), not a desirable atribute for a PG. I will note that he does average about 2 ppg more than VanVleet but I think fewer blocks and steals.
I'm not trying to jump on Trimble, he is really a very fine talent, however IMO he is not as good a PG as VanVleet, and it really isn't close at this point. His BIG advantage is the hype he received in HS and playing at a P5 school. The fact that Maryland may be ranked higher than WSU in the pre-season polls has no bearing in comparing their PG's.
But he is a year older and undoubtably has improved over last year. In any case, it will be good to have VanVleet working with their new guys this summer.
Trimble is a fine PG no doubt. However in rough numbers he averages about 1/2 the assists and 2x the TO's of VanVleet. He seemed to be a bit of a turnover machine the couple of times I watched him (on TV alas), not a desirable atribute for a PG. I will note that he does average about 2 ppg more than VanVleet but I think fewer blocks and steals.
I'm not trying to jump on Trimble, he is really a very fine talent, however IMO he is not as good a PG as VanVleet, and it really isn't close at this point. His BIG advantage is the hype he received in HS and playing at a P5 school. The fact that Maryland may be ranked higher than WSU in the pre-season polls has no bearing in comparing their PG's.
But he is a year older and undoubtably has improved over last year. In any case, it will be good to have VanVleet working with their new guys this summer.
If you want to compare Trimble and Van Vleet, gotta at least admit Trimble put up his numbers against decidedly tougher competition. Wichita State played 5 total games last season against KenPom top 50 competition where as Maryland played 11 such games. Wichita State had an additional 7 games against top 100 teams and Maryland had 12.
Can't argue with that. Trimble is also taller, longer, and more athletic than VanVleet. He scored more and shot a higher percentage in every single major category (impressive 41% from 3 BTW).
I am in no way saying Trimble is better than VanVleet. I personally think VanVleet is better than Baker. To me VanVleet is the best PG in the country. He is one of the all time Shocker greats.
That being said, it's not some injustice he didn't make the team. The coaches made the wrong choice in my opinion, but there is at least sound reasoning as to why they made the choice.
I'm just not sold on that. He has been pretty inefficient in his career against top competition and does most of his damage against lesser foes.
Is he a good player? Absolutely. Best in the country at his position? Pretty unlikely IMHO.
I'm too lazy to do it but Google maskless Kane's face. If you compare with this dingleberry, it's eerily similar. They could easily pass him off as the bastard son of Kane and Katie Vick.
Top 50 College Basketball Players From The Big Lead
http://thebiglead.com/2015/07/30/50-...all-2015-2016/
Yogi came in at #42. JBJ and Troy were sixth and eighth listed as just missed.
42. Yogi Ferrell, PG, Indiana – Feels like he’s been in Bloomington forever. After averaging 17.3 ppg as a sophomore, he passed up the NBA to return to a strong young core. He shot 43/41/86 as a junior, and now wants to leave a legacy. Tom Crean certainly hopes so.
http://thebiglead.com/2015/07/30/50-...all-2015-2016/
Yogi came in at #42. JBJ and Troy were sixth and eighth listed as just missed.
42. Yogi Ferrell, PG, Indiana – Feels like he’s been in Bloomington forever. After averaging 17.3 ppg as a sophomore, he passed up the NBA to return to a strong young core. He shot 43/41/86 as a junior, and now wants to leave a legacy. Tom Crean certainly hopes so.
I always enjoy reading this stuff during the off season and going back to see who is all there when the Wooden Award finalist list comes out.
Ha! I think that about VanVleet, too.
We have to compile the "He's still in school?" list soon. To be fair, Yogi would be on it (especially viewed by other fanbases).
Niang, Hield and Spangler are three others.
I agree. Especially with the amount of freshmen they included. He's a junior point guard who has played at an extremely high level.
WTF? So this guy is going to be better than Monte Morris, Taurean Prince, and Frank Mason this year. Dumb.
35. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, F, Kansas – One of the youngest players in “college basketball history” last year, the Ukrainian turned 18 in June. Only played 12 minutes a game as a freshman, and despite the loaded Jayhawks roster, he’s billed as one of the most talented.
35. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, F, Kansas – One of the youngest players in “college basketball history” last year, the Ukrainian turned 18 in June. Only played 12 minutes a game as a freshman, and despite the loaded Jayhawks roster, he’s billed as one of the most talented.
I think Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke are a requirement to have at least three guys on this list.
I get that, but my KU draft would probably have Ellis, Mason, Diallo, Selden, and Bragg in front of him with the first four clearly in front of him. Weird.
20. Demetrius Jackson, PG, Notre Dame – Could be one of the best all-around point guards in the country after a strong sophomore year in which he averaged 12.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.1 apg, and 1.6 spg, plus shot 50% from the field and 41% on three-pointers.
This is why lists like this are just dumb.
Monte Morris as a soph: 11.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.88 spg, 50.7% shooting and 39.5% 3pt shooting.
One is considered a top 20 PG and the other "just missed."
This is why lists like this are just dumb.
Monte Morris as a soph: 11.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.88 spg, 50.7% shooting and 39.5% 3pt shooting.
One is considered a top 20 PG and the other "just missed."
Jason probably watched about 30 college games all season, I'm sure the UK-ND game was one of them.
Is the new Big East still considered a major conference? Because Kris Dunn from Providence averaged 7.5 apg last year.
I checked for just P5 conferences, Dunn's 4.2 turnovers a game kind of nullify a comparison anyway. For ball security, ball handling, and assists Monte Morris is the statistically best returning NCAA player with a major schedule. His scoring isn't as elite but he's progressing pretty fast every game there and shooting a very high % compared to anyone in the PG discussion.
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Absolutely agree. I think Monte is definitely a "pass first, set my teammates up for scoring/success" PG. But if need be he can certainly take over on the scoring side of things. See Texas game in Big XII tourney.
Yogi, Troy, Bryant invited to Adidas camp.
http://www.insidethehall.com/2015/07/31/trio-of-hoosiers-participating-in-adidas-global-nations/
http://www.insidethehall.com/2015/07/31/trio-of-hoosiers-participating-in-adidas-global-nations/
Good, Frank Mason doesn't deserve a number... he's already got those three stupid tallies behind his name...
He's good. You didn't see the 3-4 potentially uncalled technical fouls when Iowa State played them on ESPN. Guy is going to have to adjust quickly to the NBA if he plays there, he will not be liked and the zebras will look the other way when a rookie has it coming to him.
I barely watched because it was clear Iowa State didn't come to play. I tend to drift in and out of the games when the Cyclones don't show up.
I've seen him play numerous times and all I know is that he's good.
I'd take Sprangler on my team any day of the week...or Layman...or Troy.
I wouldn't say I "enjoy" any of them unless they are on my side of the ledger.
