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hoot1 said:
Never could figure out why the Republicans in 2020 made a
big deal out of voting on election day as if early voting and voting by mail was somehow un-American.

According to Mass they may have learned a lesson.
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Not unAmerican - unreliable.

I wouldn't trust a mail-in ballot to be counted. I don't really trust early voting, either, but voting on election day can be affected by weather and long lines.
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Russia-Ukraine war has begun

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JamieDimonsBalls said:
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@RaduHossu: 1/18 Strategically, in the long term Russia has lost the war, but Ukraine may lose it in the short term militarily I. Two years ago, when I was still on the Eastern Front (Kharkiv Oblast), I...…
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Good perspective on the long term effects on Russia.

I'm surprised he didn't mention Ukraine's incursion into Kursk as a prime negotiating point.

I'm also surprised no one really talks about internal Ukrainian development of longer range missiles. Because I'd bet they are hard at work on developing those now, since the US won't allow them to use ours. I think this could very well be the thing that brings Russia to the negotiating table, if it comes to fruition.
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CO. Hoosier said:
I wanna get back to what it even means to be “educated”. A specific discipline is of course import for some jobs, like engineering. But I think there is more to it that allows a person to excel within a discipline. I’ve worked around lawyers for decades and even though I think a legal education is a great education, not everyone walks away with the same skills and abilities. I think a purpose of education that applies to all disciplines are things like independence, resourcefulness. Problem solving, creativity, confidence, communication, people skills entrepreneurship; stuff like that. Any college education costing thousands of dollars should improve these kinds of abilities.
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Generally, it means knowing things about the way the world works--through academic disciplines like history, science, literature, and math. One can be educated, but not be an entrepreneur, or confident, or creative. Those are all great skills to have, but have little to do with being "educated." I think you're mixing up characteristics of what you believe desirable with education, which you want to also believe is desirable.

An example: Vinnie from My Cousin Vinnie is not an "educated" lawyer. Yet, he is a problem solver, creative, irrationally confident, and has good people skills. Contrast him with Charles Allen Wright or Richard Epstein--those guys knew or know volumes of law, how the law works, have literally written the book on some subjects, but it's easy to imagine them without their other obvious skills that you list and they have but need not have.

The John Hausmann character might be one of these. No doubt he's "educated." But he evidences little in the way of independence (he works for a university and is a lifelong prof), resourcefulness or creativity (we all had profs like that--they had a lesson there were going to teach, year-after-year and it worked), problem solving, entrepreneurship, or people skills. He's a dick, but knows a lot and thinks well--i.e. your highly educated person.
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Which side has more quiet or embarrassed voters this time around?

dbmhoosier
IUNorth said:
I can honestly say I don't care. I just hope the responses afterward are healthy.

The immediate response...now through innaguration, especially if Trump loses. There are dipshits on both sides trying to cheat, right now. But there isn't any sort of conspiracty to "steal" anything, on a large scale. Whoever wins, will have won. Deal with it like damn adults.

Then...the response from whoever wins, and how they choose to govern. Both have some choices to make on how they'll lead the next 4 years. We'll all "be fine" if they choose to genuinely do what they think is best for America, and not allow the worst extremes drive them. If Trump's worst impulses are what solely drive him, we really could be phucked in some pretty impactful ways. And then obviously, if Harris continues to allow the most extreme and progressive ideals to guide here, rather than a more centrist approach...we'll be similarly phucked, but in different areas. Basically, don't be a dumb dick and discount half the country's very real beliefs.

And then equally important...what is the response of the leaders in the losing party? I hope to God, whoever loses, gets hit with the smelling salts and realizes these extreme personalities, and/or leading from extremely partisan positions, are awful for the health of our country. And they choose to "prop up" leaders that are actually competent, and that are able to both fight for what they believe in, while acknowledging and considering positions and ideals they don't believe in.

If the Dems lose to Trump...again...that should be seen as an epic failure, and should drive fundamental changes in how they view the POTUS process, AND what beliefs and ideals driver their party.

If Trump lose to Biden, and then Harris... that HAS to start to open some eyes that he shouldn't be the face of the party. Find a normal human being.
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Tucker says no.

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dbmhoosier said:
They stole it. You don't even know what happened in the election. What the Dems and the deep state did is 100x bigger threat to our democracy than anything Trump ever has.

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And what Hillary and the Dems did in 16. But orange man bad. Lmao.

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Again, every single one of the entities you mentioned were Republicans, and the Govt were GOP. FBI,DOJ and others are POLITICAL appointment. That means they were nominated/put in place by Trump and are basically out of a job if he loses...

What incentive does your conspirance addled brain think they had to want Trump (AND THEIR JOBS) to lose?
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stollcpa said:
“Nutjobs” are in the eyes of the beholder in here.

Here’s a test. Biden is on a recorded speech calling Trump Supporters (plural) Garbage. Now the WH which includes Kamala are saying it was singular. Now the test. Are they fcking liars or telling the truth?
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I lean left, but Biden saying that was so dumb and was on the same plain as what was said at Trumps rally.

Neither should be accepted. Anyone complaining about one and not the other is a hypocrite to the highest degree.
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Marvin the Martian
CO. Hoosier said:
I wanna get back to what it even means to be “educated”. A specific discipline is of course import for some jobs, like engineering. But I think there is more to it that allows a person to excel within a discipline. I’ve worked around lawyers for decades and even though I think a legal education is a great education, not everyone walks away with the same skills and abilities. I think a purpose of education that applies to all disciplines are things like independence, resourcefulness. Problem solving, creativity, confidence, communication, people skills entrepreneurship; stuff like that. Any college education costing thousands of dollars should improve these kinds of abilities.
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Either you mistyped or I misread this, as it would appear we agree which would be impossible. :).
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mrhighlife said:
Very plausible. The never Trumpers see him as a threat to democracy (I'm not arguing the validity, just stating their personal perception). One that will cause lasting and maybe irreversible damage to our institutions.
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I disagree.

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Where they see Harris as just another progressive Dem.
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Very plausible.

mrhighlife said:
Any policy she happens to get passed (non of the extreme ones have a chance BTW) can just be overturned or reformed in 4 years. So they are going with the lesser of two evils in their minds.
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Understood. Same with a Pub, if Trump cedes the presidency.
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Which side has more quiet or embarrassed voters this time around?

IUNorth
mcmurtry66 said:
I still think Harris will win
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I can honestly say I don't care. I just hope the responses afterward are healthy.

The immediate response...now through innaguration, especially if Trump loses. There are dipshits on both sides trying to cheat, right now. But there isn't any sort of conspiracty to "steal" anything, on a large scale. Whoever wins, will have won. Deal with it like damn adults.

Then...the response from whoever wins, and how they choose to govern. Both have some choices to make on how they'll lead the next 4 years. We'll all "be fine" if they choose to genuinely do what they think is best for America, and not allow the worst extremes drive them. If Trump's worst impulses are what solely drive him, we really could be phucked in some pretty impactful ways. And then obviously, if Harris continues to allow the most extreme and progressive ideals to guide here, rather than a more centrist approach...we'll be similarly phucked, but in different areas. Basically, don't be a dumb dick and discount half the country's very real beliefs.

And then equally important...what is the response of the leaders in the losing party? I hope to God, whoever loses, gets hit with the smelling salts and realizes these extreme personalities, and/or leading from extremely partisan positions, are awful for the health of our country. And they choose to "prop up" leaders that are actually competent, and that are able to both fight for what they believe in, while acknowledging and considering positions and ideals they don't believe in.

If the Dems lose to Trump...again...that should be seen as an epic failure, and should drive fundamental changes in how they view the POTUS process, AND what beliefs and ideals driver their party.

If Trump lose to Biden, and then Harris... that HAS to start to open some eyes that he shouldn't be the face of the party. Find a normal human being.
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BradStevens
hoot1 said:
Craze, as you know, government spending whether it is mandated (as in entitlements) or is discretionary that it does not go down a hole. It ends up back into the economy where it is spent, saved, or invested.

The political question before us is always about the size of government spending and what the spending should consist of. In addition how and what does the government do to raise the revenues necessary to cover the spending without deficits.

Finally if there are deficits, do we just accumulate them ? The final question being, for how long and how much do we allow deficits to accumulate ?

The answer to this question continues to this day to be unresolved.
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But we're doing it all wrong, hoot1. Our current federal government subsidies drive up the cost of college, while making students and their families bear the brunt of that cost. At the same time, state's have cut funding to their state universities across the country, funding that goes directly to operations, which keeps tuition costs down. So we've made college more expensive via state inaction, and are throwing more dollars at it through federal action.

This is one area, too, where it appears allowing the consumer to make choices does not drive down costs (contra arguments re healthcare, for example). Of course, that shouldn't be surprising given we are now making people decide one of the biggest financial decisions of their lifetimes at the age of 17 or 18.
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We got a contender

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Chicago-bound Hoosier said:
i watched a little of that IU/UK tourney game from 2016 last night. I forgot how out of control Williams was, going coast to coast with the ball. He did seem to find the basket at times while defying the laws of physics, but damn was that kid a tornado in motion on the court. A rare case where a kid had almost too much physical ability for his own good, paired with a coach who had no plan to reel him in. But will also admit, watching that team's offense was more enjoyable than what I've seen from CMW's teams, to this point in time. Wasn't always sound basketball, but was entertaining when they were clicking and hitting shots. I then found the game in Ann Arbor when they went nuclear in that 28-0 run. Also fun to relive. That team did a good job of moving the ball on offense. Helped to have Yogi in the driver's seat.
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A good coach would have tried to utilize his strengths and mask his weaknesses. He should not have been handling the ball in traffic and relying on decision making.

The problem is that all it takes is one coast to coast highlight dunk and our coach lets him do whatever, thinking that his ability to handle pressure and collapsing defenders is his strength.

In short: I blame the coach, at least in great part.
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mrhighlife said:
Very plausible. The never Trumpers see him as a threat to democracy(I'm not arguing the validity, just stating their personal perception). One that will cause lasting and maybe irreversible damage to our institutions. Where they see Harris as just another progressive Dem. Any policy she happens to get passed(non of the extreme ones have a chance BTW) can just be overturned or reformed in 4 years. So they are going with the lesser of two evils in their minds.
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Logic I would somewhat understand if things they push forward are ever legislated back out. The instances of that occurring are so rare that none jump to mind.

There is an argument from some in the conservative community that they can't support the current trajectory of the party because it has become too reactionary. My question to them would be, so all that stuff you supported 20 years ago before it got bulldozed over was just bullshit or are you just really so contrarian that your political position is to just stop here? If they pick you up and move you 20 feet? Well let's stop here. They take you from a place you like and drop you someplace you don't? Well, let's stop here and I will write an article "A conservative case for why I should want to be here instead of back there."

It is literally why the populists are in control of the party right now.
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Marvin the Martian
twenty02 said:
That's the sticker price or what she would actually pay after FAFSA, etc....?
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That is one thing the sticker price doesn't cover. The overachievers get all sorts of scholarships. The poor get all sorts of aid. The students who are pretty good but not great from a slightly above-average income are the ones really hurt.
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hoot1
crazed_hoosier2 said:
The first thing you do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging. You aren’t going to find your way out if you don’t do that.

But there’s no urgency, because the money is currently going into the black fiscal hole that all our bad money goes to. The fixes won’t be popular or pleasant - same as with entitlements. So of course politicians don’t want to touch it.
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Craze, as you know, government spending whether it is mandated (as in entitlements) or is discretionary that it does not go down a hole. It ends up back into the economy where it is spent, saved, or invested.

The political question before us is always about the size of government spending and what the spending should consist of. In addition how and what does the government do to raise the revenues necessary to cover the spending without deficits.

Finally if there are deficits, do we just accumulate them ? The final question being, for how long and how much do we allow deficits to accumulate ?

The answer to this question continues to this day to be unresolved.
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BradStevens
Baller23Boogie said:
She doesn't want to go to a big school... she doesn't want to get lost in the shuffle.

The schools she's looking at have classes no bigger then 20-25 for the most part. I think there is value in that kind of environment, personally.
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There most definitely is value in that. But now she has to place a monetary value on that.

By the way, if you put in some work, you can find many classes outside freshman year (some in it) that are smaller at big unis. At least you could back in the early '90s.
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UConn Jacob Furphy

IUNorth
abraxis said:
That one still stings. It opened up the flood gates, propagating seeds of doubt.
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It probably is hurting more than we know. Mullins is potentially a very direct example of the pain its causing.

This season is enormous on many different levels. We need for Rice, Carlyle, Mack, Tucker, etc... to play well, consistently get "good looks", etc... Both for on the court success, but also for evidence to combat what's causing the McNeeleys, Haralsons, Mullins, etc... to go elsewhere.
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JamieDimonsBalls said:
I think it is very plausible that independent voters or even long-time GOPers would vote for Harris because they are Never Trumpers. Supporting Harris and hating Trump are two different things, even if the end result is the same.

Meanwhile, you still haven’t answered the question. And it’s anonymous so why can’t you state your opinions? I’ve long expressed where i differ from each party. Too many people claim to be independents or even GOPers who won’t vote for Trump, but have yet to articulate any support for conservative views.
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Very plausible. The never Trumpers see him as a threat to democracy(I'm not arguing the validity, just stating their personal perception). One that will cause lasting and maybe irreversible damage to our institutions. Where they see Harris as just another progressive Dem. Any policy she happens to get passed(non of the extreme ones have a chance BTW) can just be overturned or reformed in 4 years. So they are going with the lesser of two evils in their minds.
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