CO. Hoosier said:

I’m pretty much gonna stand by what I said. Education to be worthwhile cannot simply be knowing how the world works, but being a meaningful participant in working it. The list I posted is by no means exhaustive, and many factors enter the mix. An individual who has a degree but cannot use it for any benefit is not fully educated in my view

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I think you’re begging the question.

mcmurtry66 said:

Sounding like this thing is pretty much a done deal dbm

@DANC well done son

Put nc on the board

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You're welcome.

twenty02 said:

Here is the full article. Worth a read...

The rise — and fall? — of the New Progressive Economics

Progressives conquered economic policy under Biden. Would they lose it under Harris?

www.vox.com

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Twenty02, would argue explaining what would have to be complicated economic policy prior to being elected versus echoing popular sound bites such as "Drill, Baby, Drill" just isn't going to happen.

WhyisIUBBcursed said:

There’s also only party who tried to overturn a valid election with a 3rd world state coup. Tomato tomata

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You still clinging to that fantasy?

WhyisIUBBcursed said:

I’ve had Peacock since last year. There are going to be a lot of bball games on there this year. Time to pony up!!

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Already have freaking Peacock, so already contributed to NBC's money grab.

DANC said:

You asking me to prove it wasn't?

It's up to the DoJ to prove it was - and they failed.

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I'm not critical of the ruling, I don't know what the definition is for systemic. It might be it impacts the entire body, which would mean one could not review all voting records. But could one review all but those with last names beginning with X, would that be systemic?

Another definition is planned and orderly. I doubt VA argued this was unplanned and disorderly so that probably isn't what is meant.

But many have said this was an easy ruling, if it was so easy they must know how it failed to be systemic. Is there a percentage of records that must have been involved? Maybe @BradStevens or @mcmurtry66 know. CO and I just agreed on something so I don't want to lose this feeling of camaraderie by asking him.

crazed_hoosier2 said:

What a career that guy has had. From the CIA, to the Gong Show, to widely respected pollster!

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Is that really who DBM's "Baris" is? No wonder DBM posts loony polls...

dr.jb said:

this guy is definitely not quiet

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I'd like to know what meds he's on

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That's a bit. Guy's ****ing around.

That said, you could probably find a dude pretty close to that at Atlas, Bishop, or The Vid on any random Wed night.

crazed_hoosier2 said:

Honestly, it would be hard to fathom either the USSS or campaign staffers leaving something like that to chance...whoever the candidate was.

Aside from a security incident, of course, the last thing the campaign folks are going to want is an interaction like the one that Gordon Brown got caught in back in the Brexit period...or like Joe the Plumber with Obama.

Most campaign appearances we see involving normie people are, at some level, staged.

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Of course. I'm not blaming the Trump campaign for coordinating it; it was weird that Carlson brought it up as something 'real' about Trump.

dbmhoosier said:

There are no quiet Harris voters. They can say whatever they want without fear of backlash. However, there are people who can't stand Trump but at the same time believe he was a decent President while they know Harris is straight up looney tunes. Many of these people will simply not vote.

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"There are no quiet Harris voters. They can say whatever they want without fear of backlash."
Do you live in an alternate reality?
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I’ve had Peacock since last year. There are going to be a lot of bball games on there this year. Time to pony up!!

Ohio Guy said:

Tucker bringing up the McDonalds political move not being fake is a weird thing to say considering it really was fake.

They closed the restaurant and had screened customers/supporters go through the drive thru. Yes, he was really there and yes he really served fries, but it was 100% a political stunt.

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Honestly, it would be hard to fathom either the USSS or campaign staffers leaving something like that to chance...whoever the candidate was.

Aside from a security incident, of course, the last thing the campaign folks are going to want is an interaction like the one that Gordon Brown got caught in back in the Brexit period...or like Joe the Plumber with Obama.

Most campaign appearances we see involving normie people are, at some level, staged.

A-hOhL said:

IU 28
MSU 17

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Fear the Oval!!

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NY-IU said:

What is everyone planning to do to watch the MSU game? Subscribe to Peacock? Sports bar? Listen to the Radio?

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Radio (if I can bring it in successfully)... Haven't listened to Fisch and Buck yet this year so it should be interesting... I'm not double paying for a game I ought to be able to get on The Big Ten Network (on an overflow channel if they've double booked the time slot)...

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dbmhoosier said:

Baris says his final national poll is Trump+1. What is interesting...

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What a career that guy has had. From the CIA, to the Gong Show, to widely respected pollster!

GeorgeStrait IU said:

No you wouldnt. lol

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I truly would

BradStevens said:

No team can contain me.

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IUNorth said:

There are quiet voters on both sides...that is an unarguable fact. And there is backlash on both sides...also an unarguable fact.

This election will be decided from a bunch of different things. I think one of the main things, that contributes to the "quiet" voters will be...

How many middlish voters will vote for Harris, solely because of how awful a human being Trump is.

Versus...

How many middlish voters will vote for Trump, solely because of how progressive Harris is.

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Wouldn't you say the same contrast would've been operative in 2020 (and 2016? I mean...Trump's long been the same kind of human being he is. That seems like it's baked in the cake.

I'm not saying we couldn't see a rise in crossover voters relative to 2020. Maybe abortion gets more Republican women to vote for Harris in battleground states. Maybe January 6th. But it just seems to me these things would've availed themselves in polling -- rather than just ending up as a surprise on election day. But, then, that's your point about them being quiet.

We'll have to wait and see. My guess is that, whoever wins, the crossover vote will look pretty similar to how it looked in recent cycles.

dbmhoosier said:

Apparently ABC used their time machine to get the results early.

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Still took Hamilton another lap to get past dimestore Tom Hiddleston

stollcpa said:

Garbage. Okay, Dems show that outrage!!!

Biden rips Trump supporters as ‘only garbage I see floating’ in rebuke of ex-prez over joke made by comedian at MSG rally

“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters.”

nypost.com

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Only Trump supporters in PR.