Woodson: "That's on me..." is getting old!

[Indiana_1993]

Playing a season with a team that lacks talent is only tolerable if the team plays with max effort. I struggle to root for this team when I see lazy play. Indiana basketball fans demand effort. Sure, we love to win, but if you watch the crowd's responses, they are never as loud as when they watch a good defensive stop. Effort wins the hearts and minds of fans who have to watch a team lose a game.

I'm almost done listening to Woody say, "That's on me" when the team fails to deliver. If he expects to hold players accountable for their lack of effort, then the AD needs to hold him accountable for errors he admits are his fault.

 

[ncthomas31]

Yup. This team is so lazy on defense it’s disgusting. Look like bunch of pro players who are only concerned about offense. Oh wait that’s right…that’s all Woodson teaches. No blocking out and the amount of just wide open lanes they give the other team is awful. Just freaking lazy ass bums. Hard to watch this type of basketball anymore

 

[kkott]

Yup. This team is so lazy on defense it’s disgusting. Look like bunch of pro players who are only concerned about offense. Oh wait that’s right…that’s all Woodson teaches. No blocking out and the amount of just wide open lanes they give the other team is awful. Just freaking lazy ass bums. Hard to watch this type of basketball anymore

Once again, feel the need to correct you: D is pretty good in the NBA right now. If you want to say "play like 90's era NBA" I can buy that. Pro ball is really good right now. Like watching the difference between the NFL and college football and no one thinks guys in the NFL are taking plays off. When the salaries escalated NBA players started taking things really seriously and they work at both ends now. Hate to say it, but overall, it's way better ball.

 

[Brewskie]

Playing a season with a team that lacks talent is only tolerable if the team plays with max effort. I struggle to root for this team when I see lazy play. Indiana basketball fans demand effort. Sure, we love to win, but if you watch the crowd's responses, they are never as loud as when they watch a good defensive stop. Effort wins the hearts and minds of fans who have to watch a team lose a game.

I'm almost done listening to Woody say, "That's on me" when the team fails to deliver. If he expects to hold players accountable for their lack of effort, then the AD needs to hold him accountable for errors he admits are his fault.

Oh, rest assured, we'll hear that ALOT this season.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

Yup. This team is so lazy on defense it’s disgusting. Look like bunch of pro players who are only concerned about offense. Oh wait that’s right…that’s all Woodson teaches. No blocking out and the amount of just wide open lanes they give the other team is awful. Just freaking lazy ass bums. Hard to watch this type of basketball anymore

This team needs Dane Fife on the bench. Oh wait, Woody canned him.

 

[Jssanto]

Playing a season with a team that lacks talent is only tolerable if the team plays with max effort. I struggle to root for this team when I see lazy play. Indiana basketball fans demand effort. Sure, we love to win, but if you watch the crowd's responses, they are never as loud as when they watch a good defensive stop. Effort wins the hearts and minds of fans who have to watch a team lose a game.

I'm almost done listening to Woody say, "That's on me" when the team fails to deliver. If he expects to hold players accountable for their lack of effort, then the AD needs to hold him accountable for errors he admits are his fault.

I agree. I also am tired of the false mea culpa.

 

[ams66]

I used to think he meant it but it has become pretty clear that it's just one of his stock lines. "That's on me..." or "Gotta get them over the hump..." I don't think it really means anything at this point, it's just a filler phrase he uses in interviews when we have played poorly. He had some interviews in prior seasons where he called players out by name for lack of effort or lazy play and people lost their minds over that too.

 

[iubhounds]

Woodson's attitude has a tendency to make people lose their minds.

 

[BA47591]

Once again, feel the need to correct you: D is pretty good in the NBA right now. If you want to say "play like 90's era NBA" I can buy that. Pro ball is really good right now. Like watching the difference between the NFL and college football and no one thinks guys in the NFL are taking plays off. When the salaries escalated NBA players started taking things really seriously and they work at both ends now. Hate to say it, but overall, it's way better ball.

My opinion is different than yours on the NBA. They play too many games in the regular season an always have. I understand the game is much more of a consumer product and billionaires wouldn't buy teams if there wasn't a massive roi. The skill level of a 5-10 year veteran is better than ever but the style of play and with the rule changes since the 90's the league is almost unwatchable. I'm referring to the regular season. There are some strong individual defenders and a couple of teams that for spurts of regular season games are strong defensively but they usually have multiple individual defenders that take that end seriously. In defense of the 90's and 80's which was the era of the greatest professional basketball, it was too physical for kids to play. The league minimum was a divorce away from bankrupting a 35yo rotation players life. So it was a different game.

The statement before the Olympics that blew my mind was "Team USA will have to adjust to the physicality of FIBA."
That is atrocious. Our women's game is much more physical. The regular season in the NBA is like a cabaret show or a circus of untouched athletic excellence, it's not a man's game of grit. By grit, I mean limiting the opponents best players from scoring by any means necessary.

Woody can't use any of this as an argument because he coached after the league went soft. I do know that he props his ego up with his NBA experience and wants us to believe because he was an OK player and a mediocre coach at the highest level it means that he is an excellent coach at a lesser level. I think by now he no longer believes that.

Mr Yonkman did everything to Woody proof this team with talent and it drew the line in the sand. He'll either figure it out or he's gone. My thoughts are, he's done by the second week of March.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Mr Yonkman did everything to Woody proof this team with talent and it drew the line in the sand. He'll either figure it out or he's gone. My thoughts are, he's done by the second week of March.

Pete and my brother were college buds at IU and still keep in touch. I think Pete was even at my brother's wedding in Chicago 25 yrs ago (can't remember, I was toasted by 9pm and embarrassed my mom). I'm sure he went to bed last night grumpy like the rest of us.

 

[bsmitty08]

Once again, feel the need to correct you: D is pretty good in the NBA right now. If you want to say "play like 90's era NBA" I can buy that. Pro ball is really good right now. Like watching the difference between the NFL and college football and no one thinks guys in the NFL are taking plays off. When the salaries escalated NBA players started taking things really seriously and they work at both ends now. Hate to say it, but overall, it's way better ball.

I disagree, I have been to 3 pacer games this year and they play zero defense

 

[ORG]

Playing a season with a team that lacks talent is only tolerable if the team plays with max effort. I struggle to root for this team when I see lazy play. Indiana basketball fans demand effort. Sure, we love to win, but if you watch the crowd's responses, they are never as loud as when they watch a good defensive stop. Effort wins the hearts and minds of fans who have to watch a team lose a game.

I'm almost done listening to Woody say, "That's on me" when the team fails to deliver. If he expects to hold players accountable for their lack of effort, then the AD needs to hold him accountable for errors he admits are his fault.

All of us are either getting old or waiting to be buried.

 

[jopajackson]

My opinion is different than yours on the NBA. They play too many games in the regular season an always have. I understand the game is much more of a consumer product and billionaires wouldn't buy teams if there wasn't a massive roi. The skill level of a 5-10 year veteran is better than ever but the style of play and with the rule changes since the 90's the league is almost unwatchable. I'm referring to the regular season. There are some strong individual defenders and a couple of teams that for spurts of regular season games are strong defensively but they usually have multiple individual defenders that take that end seriously. In defense of the 90's and 80's which was the era of the greatest professional basketball, it was too physical for kids to play. The league minimum was a divorce away from bankrupting a 35yo rotation players life. So it was a different game.

The statement before the Olympics that blew my mind was "Team USA will have to adjust to the physicality of FIBA."
That is atrocious. Our women's game is much more physical. The regular season in the NBA is like a cabaret show or a circus of untouched athletic excellence, it's not a man's game of grit. By grit, I mean limiting the opponents best players from scoring by any means necessary.

Woody can't use any of this as an argument because he coached after the league went soft. I do know that he props his ego up with his NBA experience and wants us to believe because he was an OK player and a mediocre coach at the highest level it means that he is an excellent coach at a lesser level. I think by now he no longer believes that.

Mr Yonkman did everything to Woody proof this team with talent and it drew the line in the sand. He'll either figure it out or he's gone. My thoughts are, he's done by the second week of March.

NBA playing an 82 game schedule does lead to some games where the players coast. Many say in the NBA, "The season starts after Christmas." And they've already played 25 or so games by then. I love the NBA, but it the approach is much different than college basketball, at least it should be.

 

[jopajackson]

I disagree, I have been to 3 pacer games this year and they play zero defense

The Pacers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

 

[NWfor3]

Yup. This team is so lazy on defense it’s disgusting. Look like bunch of pro players who are only concerned about offense. Oh wait that’s right…that’s all Woodson teaches. No blocking out and the amount of just wide open lanes they give the other team is awful. Just freaking lazy ass bums. Hard to watch this type of basketball anymore

The thing is that last night their defensive effort was outstanding to start the game. IU was up 21-5 and UNC Greensboro had a couple of possessions that went down to 2, 1, 0 on the shot clock. Then all of a sudden its like they decided this was enough defense for the night and didn't want to give the effort any more. Gave up wide open shots, drives, and didn't box out!

 

[HoosierAlum07]

Playing a season with a team that lacks talent is only tolerable if the team plays with max effort. I struggle to root for this team when I see lazy play. Indiana basketball fans demand effort. Sure, we love to win, but if you watch the crowd's responses, they are never as loud as when they watch a good defensive stop. Effort wins the hearts and minds of fans who have to watch a team lose a game.

I'm almost done listening to Woody say, "That's on me" when the team fails to deliver. If he expects to hold players accountable for their lack of effort, then the AD needs to hold him accountable for errors he admits are his fault.

CMW and Shane Steichen have the same coach speak just to please the media. It’s always the “That falls on me, we’ll clean it up, gotta keep chopping wood(like Pagano)”, etc crap that they say after every game. I’d be nice if every coach would just speak their minds on issues without the fears of being fired for saying the wrong things! The fans have the right to know the real issues that go on behind closed doors!

 

[demunn]

Once again, feel the need to correct you: D is pretty good in the NBA right now. If you want to say "play like 90's era NBA" I can buy that. Pro ball is really good right now. Like watching the difference between the NFL and college football and no one thinks guys in the NFL are taking plays off. When the salaries escalated NBA players started taking things really seriously and they work at both ends now. Hate to say it, but overall, it's way better ball.

I agree with you but I also think the NBA has been completely engineered against defense and for scoring so I'm not sure it's exactly the same game.

 

[ge-off]

NBA College. What’s the difference now days?

 

[T.M.P.]

Once again, feel the need to correct you: D is pretty good in the NBA right now. If you want to say "play like 90's era NBA" I can buy that. Pro ball is really good right now. Like watching the difference between the NFL and college football and no one thinks guys in the NFL are taking plays off. When the salaries escalated NBA players started taking things really seriously and they work at both ends now. Hate to say it, but overall, it's way better ball.

The lazy defense resulted in IU rising around 10 - spots in defensive efficiency . Going up in efficiency with those horrible board numbers implies that we guarded fairly well.

Offense though dropped as much or more. Around 15 +/-

The defense wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be. The defensive rebounding and offense overall was without doubt atrocious and what kept them in the game.

 

[sobester]

Once again, feel the need to correct you: D is pretty good in the NBA right now. If you want to say "play like 90's era NBA" I can buy that. Pro ball is really good right now. Like watching the difference between the NFL and college football and no one thinks guys in the NFL are taking plays off. When the salaries escalated NBA players started taking things really seriously and they work at both ends now. Hate to say it, but overall, it's way better ball.

I kind of laugh when people say that and always think they are 80 years old. NBA defense has been good for a couple of decades. The best players in the world often struggle to find a good shot.

 

[Stuffshot]

Yup. This team is so lazy on defense it’s disgusting. Look like bunch of pro players who are only concerned about offense. Oh wait that’s right…that’s all Woodson teaches. No blocking out and the amount of just wide open lanes they give the other team is awful. Just freaking lazy ass bums. Hard to watch this type of basketball anymore

Well, yeah, OK, if you think so.

Right now, among Big 18 teams, IU = 6th in fewest points given up (61.2). Current leader is Maryland (53.8).

We'll see how that changes as the schedule gets hatder.

 

[steelyvan]

The Pacers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

And when healthy, one of the best, most entertaining offenses in the league. Take the good with the bad.

 

[Stuffshot]

I used to think he meant it but it has become pretty clear that it's just one of his stock lines. "That's on me..." or "Gotta get them over the hump..." I don't think it really means anything at this point, it's just a filler phrase he uses in interviews when we have played poorly. He had some interviews in prior seasons where he called players out by name for lack of effort or lazy play and people lost their minds over that too.

Or, maybe Woodson (an IU alumni) could start a thread on this message board and single out a player by name in its title for blistering criticism as some of you assholes consider acceptable.

 

[sobester]

Well, yeah, OK, if you think so.

Right now, among Big 18 teams, IU = 6th in fewest points given up (61.2). Current leader is Maryland (53.8).

We'll see how that changes as the schedule gets hatder.

That doesn’t NECESSARILY mean a team is good defensively.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

The thing is that last night their defensive effort was outstanding to start the game. IU was up 21-5 and UNC Greensboro had a couple of possessions that went down to 2, 1, 0 on the shot clock. Then all of a sudden its like they decided this was enough defense for the night and didn't want to give the effort any more. Gave up wide open shots, drives, and didn't box out!

Have a feeling this will be like the 07-08 team (not off the court issues, atleast I hope not) but will continue to frustrate us with them not being as polished as they should and will lose 3-4 games they shouldnt.

 

[ulrey]

The thing is that last night their defensive effort was outstanding to start the game. IU was up 21-5 and UNC Greensboro had a couple of possessions that went down to 2, 1, 0 on the shot clock. Then all of a sudden its like they decided this was enough defense for the night and didn't want to give the effort any more. Gave up wide open shots, drives, and didn't box out!

It’s called adjustments during the game. Woodson is clueless with in game adjustments.

 

[Stuffshot]

That doesn’t NECESSARILY mean a team is good defensively.

You are correct, sir, so far as you bravely spoke.

But, right now, they are giving up only 60-ish points per game, not 80-ish ppg.

You should wait a couple weeks and then really give them hell if they start giving up a horrible number of points. Then, you would look like a genius.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

It’s called adjustments during the game. Woodson is clueless with in game adjustments.

Whats Eddie Arnold or whoever that statue to his left do? He always looks like he is chewing gum and nodding off on valiums.

 

[stollcpa]

Woodson's attitude has a tendency to make people lose their minds.

Having to watch him right in front of my seats bent over walking like a 90 year old is tiresome. Only thing worse is watching the sitting statue next to him never move or talk.

 

[T.M.P.]

Having to watch him right in front of my seats bent over walking like a 90 year old is tiresome. Only thing worse is watching the sitting statue next to him never move or talk.

I hope your oppression ends. Watching people walk and sit must be overwhelmingly difficult for someone with your delicate sensibilities ..

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

I hope your oppression ends. Watching people walk and sit must be overwhelmingly difficult for someone with your delicate sensibilities ..

just like your hands.. delicate.

 

[jopajackson]

And when healthy, one of the best, most entertaining offenses in the league. Take the good with the bad.

Not disagreeing with that. Someone was making an argument that NBA defense is bad because they’ve been to Pacers games and they don’t play defense. I was just pointing out that that’s not a fair representation of the defense across the league.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Playing a season with a team that lacks talent is only tolerable if the team plays with max effort. I struggle to root for this team when I see lazy play. Indiana basketball fans demand effort. Sure, we love to win, but if you watch the crowd's responses, they are never as loud as when they watch a good defensive stop. Effort wins the hearts and minds of fans who have to watch a team lose a game.

I'm almost done listening to Woody say, "That's on me" when the team fails to deliver. If he expects to hold players accountable for their lack of effort, then the AD needs to hold him accountable for errors he admits are his fault.

I’m to the point I’ve completely lost interest. I haven’t seen any of our games this season. I had no idea we played Wednesday night. I only use the term apathy because I lack a better word to describe my feelings towards the IU bball program.

I used to plan things around the IU bball schedule. I didn’t plan my entire life around it, but I made every possible/reasonable accommodation I could to watch or go to games.

I didn’t care for Davis, I didn’t care for Crean and I goddamn hated Miller. Even with all that, I never rooted for IU to lose. I’m still not to the point that I hope they lose, but it’s not difficult to see that happening. That would be the only reason for the apathy to be gone.

It’s a sad day when an IU bball fan of nearly 50 years suddenly doesn’t give two shits about bball and is looking forward to the IU football games. My guess is Satan’s heating bill is gonna be kinda high this year.

 

[ulrey]

Whats Eddie Arnold or whoever that statue to his left do? He always looks like he is chewing gum and nodding off on valiums.

The mannequin? He’s got the best cigars in town.

 

[Falky22]

The lazy defense resulted in IU rising around 10 - spots in defensive efficiency . Going up in efficiency with those horrible board numbers implies that we guarded fairly well.

Offense though dropped as much or more. Around 15 +/-

The defense wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be. The defensive rebounding and offense overall was without doubt atrocious and what kept them in the game.

Yes, defensive rebounding was bad. Reneau was terrible and does not commit to blocking out. I was hoping to see improvement this year with his rebounding/blocking out.

I doubt he will get it. He continues to get a lot of playing time no matter the case. This is where I hold Woodson responsible. Sit him if he refuses to play hard and doesn’t block out.

 

[IUgradman]

I disagree, I have been to 3 pacer games this year and they play zero defense

Because the Pacers suck.

 

[hozo4ultimate]

This team needs Dane Fife on the bench. Oh wait, Woody canned him.

Wtf would Dane Fife contribute? His career has really taken off since leaving IU. Such a dumb post.

 

[ulrey]

Wtf would Dane Fife contribute? His career has really taken off since leaving IU. Such a dumb post.

He can’t be any worse than what he’s got on the bench now.

 

[Indiana_1993]

I used to think he meant it but it has become pretty clear that it's just one of his stock lines. "That's on me..." or "Gotta get them over the hump..." I don't think it really means anything at this point, it's just a filler phrase he uses in interviews when we have played poorly. He had some interviews in prior seasons where he called players out by name for lack of effort or lazy play and people lost their minds over that too.

Agreed 100%. The game has passed him by. He thinks IU plays like it did in the 70's.

 

[HillzHoozier]

The thing is that last night their defensive effort was outstanding to start the game. IU was up 21-5 and UNC Greensboro had a couple of possessions that went down to 2, 1, 0 on the shot clock. Then all of a sudden its like they decided this was enough defense for the night and didn't want to give the effort any more. Gave up wide open shots, drives, and didn't box out!

I watched a little bit of the UM game after the IU game was over. UM defense forced THREE 10 second violations on their opponent. I hate that I enjoy watching Michigan and UK and PU because of their style and effort and how well drilled they appear. None of us who are watching IU basketball can cite any of those as reasons to watch.