Will Wade

[snarlcakes]

Again, it depends on how you compare it to your expectations. Or as you would say, “standards.” How far did you think he would go? Also keep in mind that the Big Ten advanced seven teams to the round of 32.

I assume there isn’t anyone who had an expectation for IU to go 1-12. In order to justify your expectations you have to try an explain away a 1-12 stretch, which is why I’d argue they’re wrong.. You have your IU blinders on. We should have won 20+ games (during the regular season) this year.

 

[ufo33]

Yeah, but you have to take into account that he is the point guard, right?

It speaks volumes about how bad the non-Freshman guards were.

 

[cshartle123]

I assume there isn’t anyone who had an expectation for IU to go 1-12. In order to justify your expectations you have to try an explain away a 1-12 stretch, which is why I’d argue they’re wrong.. You have your IU blinders on. We should have won 20+ games (during the regular season) this year.

Ok, we can disagree with how many games they should have won. I don’t think they were a 20+ win team. I will remind you the starting lineup:
Green
Langford
Durham (6’4”)
Smith (6’7”)
Morgan (6’7”)

How is this a 20+ win team in a deep Big Ten conference?

 

[ufo33]

Ok, we can disagree with how many games they should have won. I don’t think they were a 20+ win team. I will remind you the starting lineup:
Green
Langford
Durham (6’4”)
Smith (6’7”)
Morgan (6’7”)

How is this a 20+ win team in a deep Big Ten conference?

Weak upperclass Crean recruits.

 

[snarlcakes]

Ok, we can disagree with how many games they should have won. I don’t think they were a 20+ win team. I will remind you the starting lineup:
Green
Langford
Durham (6’4”)
Smith (6’7”)
Morgan (6’7”)

How is this a 20+ win team in a deep Big Ten conference?

Win 3 of the games against Nebraska, Iowa, OSU, Rutgers and @Northwestern.

Also, IU was just as talented or more talented than Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and OSU.

 

[ufo33]

Cal didn’t have a clue that camby took cash. In the 30 for 30 he said cal had no idea. Furthermore, he can’t control who took the sat for rose. Cal had zero hand in that. Since he has been at uk, he’s watched like a hawk. He’s not cheated at all. If he is, he needs to offer more money for better players.

Cal is over-rated

 

[coachv jr]

What is this gibberish? Still waiting for you to post anything of note but you double down on the dumb shit...every...single...tiime...lol

i'll ask my wife for you. she's fluent in gibberish. her whole family is from the island of Gibber

 

[coachv jr]

Yep! Bruce Pearl said "get out my biz" , UNC said "get out my biz "(Florida A&M takes the hit) LSU, Zona, Kansas. Never, never admit wrong doing to the NCAA seems to work!

yeah, funny how the ncaa only punishes the smallest schools. bunch of pussies

 

[fpeaugh]

Last year was bad but year one was only a disaster if you thought Crean would have won a big ten title with that team after losing his 3 next players.

Only an extreme apologist would exaggerate so much.

No one expected year 1 to win the Big Ten. Crean obviously wasn’t good enough. But to get blown out at home by Indiana St by 30, then turn around and lose to IPFW was a mockery. Both years have been a giant dumpster fire. If you can’t see and admit that your bias is clouding your judgement.

 

[fpeaugh]

Listen, that 1-12 stretch was disappointing to say the least, but there was plenty of explanations for it. 1. It was Archie’s second year installing his system
2. Green and a true frosh running the point
3. No front court depth
I could list more and go into greater detail, but the point is that his evaluation should be compared to the expectations. In my opinion, he only slightly underperformed last year in the way of wins and losses, and it was easily excusable given those big reasons. I think he should have made the tournament, which was one more win. It appears that he wants to get system players, coach them up, and play them as juniors and seniors. In other words, maybe he WAS clueless at times as to how to get the best out of last year’s team because they weren’t trained in his system. Nevertheless, I am willing to give him four years because he appears competent and is supported by Indiana high school basketball coaches. If Phinisee is running the team as a junior and we go on an eight minute scoring drought, I will be the first person to ask for his job. For now, let the guy coach.

We shouldn’t have just squeaked into the tournament last year. We had the talent to finish top 3 in the Big Ten and a top 5 NCAA seed. The 1-12 slide is absolutely inexcusable. It’s a major red flag that most people are just ignoring. Just like they ignored all the red flags during Crean’s first 3 years because they were using the EXACT same excuses. Some never learn.

 

[cryano]

Ok, we can disagree with how many games they should have won. I don’t think they were a 20+ win team. I will remind you the starting lineup:
Green
Langford
Durham (6’4”)
Smith (6’7”)
Morgan (6’7”)

How is this a 20+ win team in a deep Big Ten conference?

Wait a minute - those same players are the ones Archie’s guys are claiming will be so valuable and lead the team now that they've had time in Archies system...

and dont forget that now that Vijay will have a scholarship he is going to light it up too...plus Hunter is way better than Romeo...and Race is an ‘All-B10 type’ that fits the ‘system’...and TJD may be better than Morgan...and now Damezi is ready to shoot and score and defend w another year in the ‘system’...

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I assume there isn’t anyone who had an expectation for IU to go 1-12.

Fair assumption.

But at the same time, if you'd told anyone BEFORE the season we'd lose Hunter for the enitre year, that Romeo would injure a ligament in his shooting hand (and wear a wrap the rest of the season), that Phinisee and Thompson would both lose significant time due to concussions, that we'd have DeRon for barely 15 minutes of the first 8 games of 2019 and that we'd STILL almost make the NCAA?

 

[cryano]

Fair assumption.

But at the same time, if you'd told anyone BEFORE the season we'd lose Hunter for the enitre year, that Romeo would injure a ligament in his shooting hand (and wear a wrap the rest of the season), that Phinisee and Thompson would both lose significant time due to concussions, that we'd have DeRon for barely 15 minutes of the first 8 games of 2019 and that we'd STILL almost make the NCAA?

Why do you assume we ‘almost’ made the ncaa?
How many teams might have also won another game that would have caused IU to need to win another game?

You like asking everyone to find and research...Find any NCAA team that has lost 12 of 13 games at any point in the season and made the NCAA tourney still!

I should add without winning their conference tournament...because Mike Davis may have at TexSou when he ‘solved the ncaa tourney riddle’ or whatever...

 

[cryano]

...and that we'd STILL almost make the NCAA?

That in itself shows what a disaster Archie’s Hoosiers have been...that you seem prideful in ALMOST making the NCAA tourney!!!!

In 30 years maybe you can retell the story to your kids and grandkids about the year that Archies Hoosiers ALMOST made the real NCAA tourney!

smdh

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Only an extreme apologist would exaggerate so much.

Both years have been a giant dumpster fire.

This HAS to be a deliberate attempt at humor.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

That in itself shows what a disaster Archie’s Hoosiers have been...that you seem prideful in ALMOST making the NCAA tourney!!!!

In 30 years maybe you can retell the story to your kids and grandkids about the year that Archies Hoosiers ALMOST made the real NCAA tourney!

smdh

I’ve been asking for this since the season ended - and neither you or anyone else has ever given me an answer.

But I’ll ask again: WHO is the team that made the NCAA tournament with a comparable roster in both experience and talent to us from this past year with the injuries we had?

Some of you people want to act like everything was perfect and this team didn’t have to try to overcome anything

 

[hondo314]

Only an extreme apologist would exaggerate so much.

No one expected year 1 to win the Big Ten. Crean obviously wasn’t good enough. But to get blown out at home by Indiana St by 30, then turn around and lose to IPFW was a mockery. Both years have been a giant dumpster fire. If you can’t see and admit that your bias is clouding your judgement.

Two losses make a season? Lol. One being the first of his career at IU? That’s just dumb.

You remember when we showed you how half this year’s sweet 16 coaches had slow starts at their current schools, blue blood or not ? Look up some of the losses...Bennett loses at home to Seattle... Izzo loses to Santa Clara and Detroit Mercy...and those were my first two shots at it, ya dumb shit

So back to he broader point. Why do you spend so much time commenting here when you truly don’t follow the game? Why????

And a quick question: why are you a douche about everything? Characterizing year one as a dumpster fire after we lost the three beat dudes from an NIT team is just a douche view. Without fail you choose the douchey thing to say. Every time.

 

[hondo314]

Wait a minute - those same players are the ones Archie’s guys are claiming will be so valuable and lead the team now that they've had time in Archies system...

and dont forget that now that Vijay will have a scholarship he is going to light it up too...plus Hunter is way better than Romeo...and Race is an ‘All-B10 type’ that fits the ‘system’...and TJD may be better than Morgan...and now Damezi is ready to shoot and score and defend w another year in the ‘system’...

Another straw man argument from captain dipshit...

 

[snarlcakes]

Fair assumption.

But at the same time, if you'd told anyone BEFORE the season we'd lose Hunter for the enitre year, that Romeo would injure a ligament in his shooting hand (and wear a wrap the rest of the season), that Phinisee and Thompson would both lose significant time due to concussions, that we'd have DeRon for barely 15 minutes of the first 8 games of 2019 and that we'd STILL almost make the NCAA?

I think we should have won 20 or 21 games (not including the NIT) with the way the season played out.

 

[hondo314]

I think we should have won 20 or 21 games with the way the season played out.

you realize we won 19 games, right?

 

[cshartle123]

Beat Nebraska, Iowa, and OSU at home and Northwestern on the road.

Also, IU was just as talented or more talented than Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and OSU.

We had talent, but we lacked consistency because we had no depth. That was a function of a second year coach not having a full team put together. Is a coach expected to have all the pieces in year two?

 

[snarlcakes]

you realize we won 19 games, right?

Yeah. I was referring to the regular season.

 

[hondo314]

We shouldn’t have just squeaked into the tournament last year. We had the talent to finish top 3 in the Big Ten and a top 5 NCAA seed. The 1-12 slide is absolutely inexcusable. It’s a major red flag that most people are just ignoring. Just like they ignored all the red flags during Crean’s first 3 years because they were using the EXACT same excuses. Some never learn.

okay, i'll try to talk to you like a human being for a couple minutes. i don;t see anyone ignoring the red flag. the 5% of you who are already done with Archie will get 80% more company next year if we lose 12 of 13. lol. but that's the 2nd part of your impossible mission i guess...

you are trying to convince us we should be seeing some kind of "disaster" in Archie when the majority of college basketball fans can recall lots of "slow start" examples...

and then you are also trying to convince us this board was 90% behind Crean until the end, which isn't true. i'd say he lost half the fan base when he missed the tourney with Vonleh after having more than enough time to build a consistent winner and then all but a few were done with him within the next two years. but that's just my interpretation of the climate at the time...and you've decided to be a douche over your own hazy recollections?

so that's the story of you, going to defcon 1 when defcon 5 will do for now and then trying to convince us all we were with Crean until the bitter end...

just a weird way to root for a team...or be a human...just weird

 

[hondo314]

Yeah. I was referring to the regular season.

ahh -- so three more wins and we wouldn't know who are you are right now? a tourney bid and a win next year, and you disappear? i like what i'm reading...

 

[cshartle123]

We shouldn’t have just squeaked into the tournament last year. We had the talent to finish top 3 in the Big Ten and a top 5 NCAA seed. The 1-12 slide is absolutely inexcusable. It’s a major red flag that most people are just ignoring. Just like they ignored all the red flags during Crean’s first 3 years because they were using the EXACT same excuses. Some never learn.

Careful not to mix circumstances. No one ignored the red flags during Crean’s first three years. In fact, they were the reason he ultimately failed. He couldn’t recruit the state anymore. Crean cooked himself with his uncouth behavior and limited basketball knowledge. It’s honorable that you want to carry high expectations for the program, but I wholeheartedly disagree that we had a team capable of earning a five seed last year. Our roster was so thin that we had Juwan playing the five and Durham playing the three. I have been on this board for a few years reading a lot of your posts, fpeaugh. Your posts, albeit witty, have gone to the dark side. You are right to be leery of the “Tom Crean effect” that wasted our last decade, but I think the majority of us have learned and moved forward. Archie may or may not be the next Bob Knight, but he is a young, hungry stud that knows the game. If he can’t put it together in four years then let’s sack him and get another one just like him.

 

[hondo314]

Careful not to mix circumstances. No one ignored the red flags during Crean’s first three years. In fact, they were the reason he ultimately failed. He couldn’t recruit the state anymore. Crean cooked himself with his uncouth behavior and limited basketball knowledge. It’s honorable that you want to carry high expectations for the program, but I wholeheartedly disagree that we had a team capable of earning a five seed last year. Our roster was so thin that we had Juwan playing the five and Durham playing the three. I have been on this board for a few years reading a lot of your posts, fpeaugh. Your posts, albeit witty, have gone to the dark side. You are right to be leery of the “Tom Crean effect” that wasted our last decade, but I think the majority of us have learned and moved forward. Archie may or may not be the next Bob Knight, but he is a young, hungry stud that knows the game. If he can’t put it together in four years then let’s sack him and get another one just like him.

^^^ this! ...all day long

 

[snarlcakes]

We had talent, but we lacked consistency because we had no depth. That was a function of a second year coach not having a full team put together. Is a coach expected to have all the pieces in year two?

No. I never expected IU to win a national title or even a Big Ten title. I did expect us to be a top 25 team. We disagree on the reason why we underperformed.

 

[snarlcakes]

ahh -- so three more wins and we wouldn't know who are you are right now? a tourney bid and a win next year, and you disappear? i like what i'm reading...

With those expectations you might want become a Purdue fan. They go crazy after sweet 16 wins. I’ll shut up and eat crow after Archie hangs a 6th banner.

 

[fpeaugh]

Careful not to mix circumstances. No one ignored the red flags during Crean’s first three years. In fact, they were the reason he ultimately failed. He couldn’t recruit the state anymore. Crean cooked himself with his uncouth behavior and limited basketball knowledge. It’s honorable that you want to carry high expectations for the program, but I wholeheartedly disagree that we had a team capable of earning a five seed last year. Our roster was so thin that we had Juwan playing the five and Durham playing the three. I have been on this board for a few years reading a lot of your posts, fpeaugh. Your posts, albeit witty, have gone to the dark side. You are right to be leery of the “Tom Crean effect” that wasted our last decade, but I think the majority of us have learned and moved forward. Archie may or may not be the next Bob Knight, but he is a young, hungry stud that knows the game. If he can’t put it together in four years then let’s sack him and get another one just like him.

Serious question - what makes Archie a “stud”?

 

[Squonk too]

It matters nothing anymore. Uof L provided the mold for future NCAA interaction. Never EVER admit a wrongdoing. Deny Deny Deny and the NCAA will go away. See Kansas, Duke, LSU, Arizona, etc....

You’re painting with a broad brush, perhaps too broad. After all, University of Louisville had its championship vacated, and there is some hope that more is to follow. And we really don’t know if all these programs you named are at fault for any such treatment.

 

[hondo314]

Serious question - what makes Archie a “stud”?

Four NCAAs in a row and a G8 run at Dayton; young and defense-minded; comes from a basketball family; widely regarded as a winner destined for a top job.

Or basically all the things you agreed made him a great hire...but then you forgot it can take a few years...how did you miss that? And why are you now suddenly so militantly against giving him a fair shake?

I’m guessing you have self-esteem issues but I’ll hold judgment until you explain. Thanks!

 

[hondo314]

With those expectations you might want become a Purdue fan. They go crazy after sweet 16 wins. I’ll shut up and eat crow after Archie hangs a 6th banner.

Huh?

Not a bad trajectory for a program under a new coach or did you somehow miss that lengthy discussion?

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Cal is over-rated

Fair enough, but you would be lying if you said you wouldn’t trade him for Archie

 

[glidresquirrel]

Serious question - what makes Archie a “stud”?

Morgan

 

[hondo314]

Fair enough, but you would be lying if you said you wouldn’t trade him for Archie

The sad fact is that most other programs want UK’s results but not your coach. Most fans of college basketball don’t like having to explain that their coach had two FFs pulled but it’s cool because he just didn’t know what was going on....lol

Maybe KU or UNC fans? But they currently have better coaches than Cal...lol

 

[snarlcakes]

Huh?

Not a bad trajectory for a program under a new coach or did you somehow miss that lengthy discussion?

I thought you were inferring I had to go away in shame if we win 20 games next year.

 

[fpeaugh]

Four NCAAs in a row and a G8 run at Dayton; young and defense-minded; comes from a basketball family; widely regarded as a winner destined for a top job.

Or basically all the things you agreed made him a great hire...but then you forgot it can take a few years...how did you miss that? And why are you now suddenly so militantly against giving him a fair shake?

I’m guessing you have self-esteem issues but I’ll hold judgment until you explain. Thanks!

I believe he’s had a fair shake. It doesn’t take 6 years for a great coach. This year will be a disaster and he doesn’t deserve a year 4. This level is above his abilities.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I believe he’s had a fair shake. It doesn’t take 6 years for a great coach. This year will be a disaster and he doesn’t deserve a year 4. This level is above his abilities.

YDS

 

[HoosiersChamps]

I believe he’s had a fair shake. It doesn’t take 6 years for a great coach. This year will be a disaster and he doesn’t deserve a year 4. This level is above his abilities.

Dipshit alert!!!!

 

[cshartle123]

Serious question - what makes Archie a “stud”?

1. He looks the part. This is a subjective observation, but my instincts tell me that he is highly disciplined which is a prerequisite for coaching success.
2. He says the right things. His interviews are intelligible, and he is consistent with his expectations.
3. He had success at Dayton. He did need a few years to get his team together, but he was able to sustain success when he did.
4. He comes from a basketball family. Say what you want about Sean and Calipari cheating, but they both know how to coach basketball.
5. He has upside. The guy is forty years old. He is just now entering his prime. The worst mistake we could make is not putting him to the test to see if he has what it takes to win big. It doesn’t take six years to learn this about him, but it definitely takes longer that two.