Will Wade
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Is it a Billy Donovan fact? You don't know what the word "fact' means. That's a fact.
CRAP I can't believe you just said this. Just exactly what is your coach's record on cheating?
Cal didn’t have a clue that camby took cash. In the 30 for 30 he said cal had no idea. Furthermore, he can’t control who took the sat for rose. Cal had zero hand in that. Since he has been at uk, he’s watched like a hawk. He’s not cheated at all. If he is, he needs to offer more money for better players.
You wouldn't know a "fact" if it came out of the toilet and bit your dumbass. Now that is a fact.
I will actually defend Cal in this scenario. Before that 30 for 30 came out I thought he was the crookedest of them all, probably to my own naivety. What Cal was hit with doesn't pale in comparison to what guys like Self, Wade, Miller, etc are accused of. There was no recruiting violations where Calipari was implicated in a pay for play scheme or anything of that nature.
Camby accepted money from an agent just prior to the 96 tournament which made him ineligible for the tournament thus UMass having to vacate every game in which he played including the F4. That's in no way on Calipari. Camby even paid UMass back the restitution money they owed the NCAA.
Derrick Rose was in a similar situation as he was ruled ineligible due to his SAT scores. Memphis' compliance department ruled Rose was eligible to play at the start of the year, that in no way falls on Calipari as that is a decision made beyond his control.
I remember having a high of 6 players unavailable to play at on point during the year. A rational person would understand the effect that would have on any team and especially a team with young and unproven players.Again, who are these teams with the same roster makeup - in experience and talent - that had the injuries we had this past season that made the NCAA Tournament? Funny how you never can provide that . . .
Despite the hardship, next year will be a critical year, Despite the roster he inherited and the injuries we had, Archie has this year to turn the program around. I honestly believe we will have a quick hook if '19-'20 doesn't get us past the first round of the NCAA. I don't agree with this action, but a person with well placed contacts intimated IU would not wait 4 years for results.
My response was that they better have a "can't miss" option waiting in the wings and ready to pay the price. I don't want to throw away a good coach for another coach that will have to start over again.
I really hope we can stay healthy and Archie has a chance to use the players he has brought in. I believe he can be the coach we can build and win with.
I think everyone here agrees that the coach should win to keep his job. The difference between evaluating Crean and Archie is that most people think Archie knows how to coach basketball. These people include Indiana high school basketball coaches. My question to you is: Do you look at Archie, listen to his interviews, and think he is incompetent? If your answer is no, then take a deep breath and give him some time to put it together. If your answer is yes, then you are in a small minority and I would like to understand specifically why you think that. My opinion is that you are intelligent and you see that Archie is a stud, but you are mistakenly carrying over your impatience from our previous, incompetent coach.
Maybe he wants to score - and maybe he wants to have coaches that help him towards his nba draft status.
Archie hasnt shown he can help a player do either.
Your post caused me to think back and try to remember something Archie said that caused me concern. He started to get me upset when he talked about getting out quickly and running. He then calmed me down with "when we have the opportunity, such as after a turnover". He went on to explain creating offense from the defense.
Crean concerned me early with his faster and faster comments. He explained that you learn to play fast and then work to limit turnovers. Wrong approach as you only reward and reinforce sloppy play. It was the dumbest thing he said besides him explaining he actually WANTED to switch defenses during a possession.
You can't compare Archie and Crean. Archie will never fail because of his coaching or lack of college basketball knowledge. Crean will only succeed if he understands ball security and defense. Crean should let assistants handle the day to day coaching while he is the program sales and marketing director.
relying on your defense to create offense is not an offensive game plan. that's called a fast break
He won't do as you suggest as he believes himself to be the smartest coach in college basketball. It looks like he doesn't even listen to his asst coaches. His hubris is his Achilles Heel........so unfortunate because his gift for BSing would otherwise be invaluable.
I think a lot of coaches were left scratching their heads after last season’s train wreck. Let’s hope that’s an anomaly and not the norm. There’s just not an easy way to explain the 1-12 debacle.
And there were just so many times in those games where Archie looked completely lost. Like a deer in the headlights. I don’t know how many IU fans told me about his clueless looks.
Again, let’s all hope it was an anomaly and Archie learned from last year. But being objective so far he’s been a complete disaster.
Looks smug and clueless.
Throws his hands in air but makes no coaching or adjustments.
Reminds me of elementary school teachers that say things like ‘well I taught it for 2 days’ after 80% of the class failed.
At some point, you are the failure - your message is either a poor message, or poorly delivered.
That doesn’t make Archie a clueless fool - he’s just not connected w his clientele for success.
Throws his hands in air but makes no coaching or adjustments.
Reminds me of elementary school teachers that say things like ‘well I taught it for 2 days’ after 80% of the class failed.
At some point, you are the failure - your message is either a poor message, or poorly delivered.
That doesn’t make Archie a clueless fool - he’s just not connected w his clientele for success.
IU fans were telling you how Archie looked? You mean his actual physical demeanor? Oh shut the f*** up with this. Lol. My god. This on top of just telling just telling us Juwan Howard is a better college basketball. You’re really are just a dick.
Last year was bad but year one was only a disaster if you thought Crean would have won a big ten title with that team after losing his 3 next players. Only a huge douchey dick would think that way. So....
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What is this gibberish? Still waiting for you to post anything of note but you double down on the dumb shit...every...single...tiime...lol
You have officially surpassed feepaw as the most idiotic drama queen troll on this board.
Congratulations on that, as I can only assume that was your intent.
It matters nothing anymore. Uof L provided the mold for future NCAA interaction. Never EVER admit a wrongdoing. Deny Deny Deny and the NCAA will go away. See Kansas, Duke, LSU, Arizona, etc....
Listen, that 1-12 stretch was disappointing to say the least, but there was plenty of explanations for it. 1. It was Archie’s second year installing his system
2. Green and a true frosh running the point
3. No front court depth
I could list more and go into greater detail, but the point is that his evaluation should be compared to the expectations. In my opinion, he only slightly underperformed last year in the way of wins and losses, and it was easily excusable given those big reasons. I think he should have made the tournament, which was one more win. It appears that he wants to get system players, coach them up, and play them as juniors and seniors. In other words, maybe he WAS clueless at times as to how to get the best out of last year’s team because they weren’t trained in his system. Nevertheless, I am willing to give him four years because he appears competent and is supported by Indiana high school basketball coaches. If Phinisee is running the team as a junior and we go on an eight minute scoring drought, I will be the first person to ask for his job. For now, let the guy coach.
Yep! Bruce Pearl said "get out my biz" , UNC said "get out my biz "(Florida A&M takes the hit) LSU, Zona, Kansas. Never, never admit wrong doing to the NCAA seems to work!
Only thing I’d change in your evaluation is #2.
Had Phin never sustained the concussion we (IMHO) easily make the dance. That’s not to say he wouldn’t have made mistakes or played poorly (after all, he was a freshman) but with a fully healthy Rob we were a much better team.
There isn't any explanation for why we went 1-12. Archie did a terrible job of coaching and it's on him to change it. Have some damn standards.
Also, you can admit he did a terrible job last year and still think he is going to be successful.
Have some damn standards? Lol. Says the guy who snipes at our good young 2nd year coach every few minutes...
I tend to agree 1-12 was scary bad but looks better when you look at the coaches who’ve had similar stretches...
But that’s lost on the 5% that went into douche-mode in year two...
Standards? Lol
Again, it depends on how you compare it to your expectations. Or as you would say, “standards.” How far did you think he would go? Also keep in mind that the Big Ten advanced seven teams to the round of 32.
I agree, but the fact that a true freshman could have had that much impact on our season demonstrates my point. It is a problem.
I do. I don’t think Archie wants his starting point guard to be an underclassman. Thus, why I am saying that he needs time to coach his guys for a few years then we can evaluate. He isn’t Calipari slicking his hair back and getting five top twenty recruits every year. His strategy is more like Marshall or Bennett. That is not to say he can sniff either one of those guys, but only time will tell. Give him a chance to succeed or fail.
