Why I'll Never Trust Another Democrat In My Lifetime
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And the lies of the left injured 2,000 plus cops. Destroyed countless businesses and livelihoods. Set kids in school back significantly. It's just what team you're on that shapes and colors your opinions and perspective. The data released on Covid was always in furtherance of a narrative. The risk to kids, the young and healthy, how icu's are already at 70 percent before Covid, on and on.
I’m sure both of the democrats you’ve trusted/supported/voted for over the years will be truly saddened to lose your support.
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***Anyone who wouldn't defend this country if and when we're attacked just needs to do themselves and the rest of us a huge favor and go ahead and leave now...***
Gutless, traitorous wonders...
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better watch out. the evil lefties are out and about. maybe under the bed.....booo
The underlying theme of most of this guy's posts is "[fill in the blank] is/are out to get us." I don't know how you can be anything but anxious and agitated when you've got that mindset.
No not under my bed, but they are at the gas pump! Inflation. How bad is it going to get before you open your eyes.
Just prepared...Thats all. Indy wasn't peaceful either...Chris Beaty...maybe you think that bullshit is ok. IDK what you saw either because the msm certainly didn't show stuff like this. So yea, I told my kids if that sh!t happens heres what we will do.
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I don't know, maybe I will open my eyes when they try to illegally overturn the election.
All the shit in the world going on and Jan 6 is what your tiny brain is fixated on. You are why Nov will be so ugly for Dems. It's a referendum on morons like youI don't know, maybe I will open my eyes when they try to illegally overturn the election.
You're the King of the non answer, Biden is worse than Jimmy Carter.I don't know, maybe I will open my eyes when they try to illegally overturn the election.
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No one said what happened to Beaty was ok. In fact, posters (including myself) have said multiple times that any crimes committed should be dealt with by the appropriate punishment. The vast majority of protesters were peaceful but those that weren't should get in trouble. And some of those that weren't peaceful were counter protestors from your side of the woods.
Plus, the BLM protests were not some leftist political movement led by democrats. It was not instigated by a democrat, no speech by a democrat said to march on the cities, etc like with jan 6.
Really
Maxine Waters encourages supporters to harass Trump administration officials | CNN Politics
Rep. Maxine Waters called on her supporters to publicly confront and harass members of the Trump administration in response to the "zero tolerance" policy that led to the separation of families at the border.
“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents,” Waters said at the Wilshire Federal Building
“The people are going to turn on them. They’re going to protest. They’re going to absolutely harass them until they decide that they’re going to tell the President, ‘No, I can’t hang with you.’”
For what it's worth, there are things universities and colleges do that I don't agree with and should be re-examined or restructured.
All that said, any kind of mental health awareness, or to use the dreaded buzzword 'safe spaces' are all entirely voluntary. No one is required to take advantage of anything like that as far as I know. And unless you live on a college campus or in a college town, what those colleges and universities do have very little impact on you or your family.
Insulating your kids from the outside world or teaching them that things and people you don't agree with are absurd or bad seems like a slippery slope to raising them closed-minded.
That's the plan. The politicians Dems and Reps are some of the most eff'd up people in the world. don't trust anything they spew out of their mouth and won't support any of their mindless wars except when they steal my money and spend it on genocide in Yemen or to fund drug cartels with guns as in the 80's. They con people into thinking you have to go half way around the world to defend the US.
3 more years and living in Peru is looking really good.
Lord have mercy did this thread go off the rails. I want to try and bring it back to the more important point I think everyone missed. But first, here is the actual poll, question 8.
poll.qu.edu
@CO. Hoosier asked if there was a breakdown by race and age, there is. I think the data points indicate a problem that I will explain below in a minute. I think the conversation too quickly went to "well we wouldn't really know unless this hypothetical happened..." True enough. However, I think @Aloha Hoosier hit on the real question here, this should be an easy yes but for people who label themselves Democrats, the majority could not say yes. A quarter of Republicans could not. A not insignificant percentage of independents could not. So why is that? Well, I would say it is because what we teach and the messages we convey have consequences.
@TommyCracker brought up CRT in the thread and how it is some boogeyman to the right. I would invite all of you to look at how blacks and people in the 18-35 demographic answered this question. Compare them to Hispanics overall. I believe that the incessant nees to point out the faults of the country while at the same time downplaying the significant overwhelming force for good that the U.S. has been to this world has consequences. Erroneously attributing the start of the nation to slavery as opposed to freedom is a poison pill to future generations and certain communities. CRT, antiracism, the 1619 Project, just plain old leftist bullshit that has taken over the Democratic Party. 52% Democrats, defend that. It means 52% of your party believes that this country and their homes are not worth fighting for. That does not ring patriotic to me. And I firmly believe it is a result of the rhetoric of the type we see here on an almost daily basis. "We love this country, we are just rarely heard to say anything nice about it." And if that pisses you off and you say "No fair." I would counter that the polling supports the idea that is the message of the party whether it is intended or not. The Democrats have a leftist problem. The other 48% of you who I am assuming still view yourselves as true liberals, need to wake the **** up.
On the right, this fascination with strongmen needs to stop. We can have a healthy skepticism of globalism but we need to stay tethered to reality. We can beat that 52% party's ass by being an American Party. Look at the Hispanics in that poll. They are among the most Patriotic people (based on that answer) in the country. That 25% of the GOP needs to be sidelined. MTG, Cawthorn, we are not an authoritarian, racially motivated party. Siding with the international trolls to troll the (admittedly) stupid 52% of the other party is not a recipe for cohesive governance.
The world is falling back to a scarier place then people thought it was going to be in 1989. The U.S. (hell, the West) got complacent. There is a bipolar world emerging again and it is going to be the authoritarians on one side and hopefully freedom loving peoples on the other. We need to significantly reduce the amount of navel gazing we do on what we got wrong and start focusing on what we get right, because the alternative is really bad.
Vast Majority Of Americans Say Ban Russian Oil, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly 8 In 10 Support U.S. Military Response If Putin Attacks A NATO Country | Quinnipiac University Poll
"Americans are ready to put a chokehold on Russia's key financial lifeblood, oil, no matter what the consequences are at the pump," said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
poll.qu.edu
@CO. Hoosier asked if there was a breakdown by race and age, there is. I think the data points indicate a problem that I will explain below in a minute. I think the conversation too quickly went to "well we wouldn't really know unless this hypothetical happened..." True enough. However, I think @Aloha Hoosier hit on the real question here, this should be an easy yes but for people who label themselves Democrats, the majority could not say yes. A quarter of Republicans could not. A not insignificant percentage of independents could not. So why is that? Well, I would say it is because what we teach and the messages we convey have consequences.
@TommyCracker brought up CRT in the thread and how it is some boogeyman to the right. I would invite all of you to look at how blacks and people in the 18-35 demographic answered this question. Compare them to Hispanics overall. I believe that the incessant nees to point out the faults of the country while at the same time downplaying the significant overwhelming force for good that the U.S. has been to this world has consequences. Erroneously attributing the start of the nation to slavery as opposed to freedom is a poison pill to future generations and certain communities. CRT, antiracism, the 1619 Project, just plain old leftist bullshit that has taken over the Democratic Party. 52% Democrats, defend that. It means 52% of your party believes that this country and their homes are not worth fighting for. That does not ring patriotic to me. And I firmly believe it is a result of the rhetoric of the type we see here on an almost daily basis. "We love this country, we are just rarely heard to say anything nice about it." And if that pisses you off and you say "No fair." I would counter that the polling supports the idea that is the message of the party whether it is intended or not. The Democrats have a leftist problem. The other 48% of you who I am assuming still view yourselves as true liberals, need to wake the **** up.
On the right, this fascination with strongmen needs to stop. We can have a healthy skepticism of globalism but we need to stay tethered to reality. We can beat that 52% party's ass by being an American Party. Look at the Hispanics in that poll. They are among the most Patriotic people (based on that answer) in the country. That 25% of the GOP needs to be sidelined. MTG, Cawthorn, we are not an authoritarian, racially motivated party. Siding with the international trolls to troll the (admittedly) stupid 52% of the other party is not a recipe for cohesive governance.
The world is falling back to a scarier place then people thought it was going to be in 1989. The U.S. (hell, the West) got complacent. There is a bipolar world emerging again and it is going to be the authoritarians on one side and hopefully freedom loving peoples on the other. We need to significantly reduce the amount of navel gazing we do on what we got wrong and start focusing on what we get right, because the alternative is really bad.
Making mental health options available is a necessary and great thing. What's off putting is the implication: that there was something wrong with the verdict. In doing what they did they sent a political message
No, don't get sucked down that rabbit hole. Convincing people they need safe spaces to face pretty benign things in life or that things like verdicts should cause you to have some over the top emotional response serve to invoke the responses that the people setting aside those spaces want.
People dealing with true mental health issues should not have their real struggles equated with the absolute nonsense that goes on within some college campuses. Send your kids away to become adults and they come out more jacked up and juvenile than middle schoolers.
Oh for sure. The inference was plain: if the verdict is not guilty students may need safe spaces and mental health services. How F'd up is that? It presupposes the right verdict is guilt without knowing a lick about the law. It imputes a belief system/ideology. It's ridiculous. College culture....
Do you know what they did? To be honest, I don't recall any announcement of safe spaces around the Rittenhouse verdict.
There were voluntary discussions set up, but I think that's healthy and well within what should happen at a university/college.
It was like the University's counseling and Psychological services were hosting virtual safe spaces (Covid) to help people "process" the outcome of the Rittenhouse verdict. But it wasn't sent by the department it was sent by the university. They naturally got destroyed in the comments section. Just woke bs. College culture nonsense. As if there was something inherently wrong with the verdict that would require emotional support.
Her type are destroying the country. They impact our daily lives with their garbage. Did you see Spartan's post on Amazon and Seattle. Ridiculous.
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Do you have evidence for the correlation being nil?
I find that poll concerning. This would be a good topic to discuss if it weren't tainted from the start by the partisan slanted post.
We Americans are relatively safe given our geography and arms superiority. But that poll is a piece of evidence supporting the notion that our collective love of country has waned over the last 100 years. Why? What happened? Can it be fixed? Does it need to be?
We need a national narrative that a large swath of Americans want to fight for. Unlike a nation like Russia or China or Japan, we don't have ethnic homogeneity, so we need principles to rally around. I thought that was a benefit in the past; I know see the downsides when the principles/story aren't shared by most.Lord have mercy did this thread go off the rails. I want to try and bring it back to the more important point I think everyone missed. But first, here is the actual poll, question 8.
Vast Majority Of Americans Say Ban Russian Oil, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly 8 In 10 Support U.S. Military Response If Putin Attacks A NATO Country | Quinnipiac University Poll
"Americans are ready to put a chokehold on Russia's key financial lifeblood, oil, no matter what the consequences are at the pump," said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
@CO. Hoosier asked if there was a breakdown by race and age, there is. I think the data points indicate a problem that I will explain below in a minute. I think the conversation too quickly went to "well we wouldn't really know unless this hypothetical happened..." True enough. However, I think @Aloha Hoosier hit on the real question here, this should be an easy yes but for people who label themselves Democrats, the majority could not say yes. A quarter of Republicans could not. A not insignificant percentage of independents could not. So why is that? Well, I would say it is because what we teach and the messages we convey have consequences.
@TommyCracker brought up CRT in the thread and how it is some boogeyman to the right. I would invite all of you to look at how blacks and people in the 18-35 demographic answered this question. Compare them to Hispanics overall. I believe that the incessant nees to point out the faults of the country while at the same time downplaying the significant overwhelming force for good that the U.S. has been to this world has consequences. Erroneously attributing the start of the nation to slavery as opposed to freedom is a poison pill to future generations and certain communities. CRT, antiracism, the 1619 Project, just plain old leftist bullshit that has taken over the Democratic Party. 52% Democrats, defend that. It means 52% of your party believes that this country and their homes are not worth fighting for. That does not ring patriotic to me. And I firmly believe it is a result of the rhetoric of the type we see here on an almost daily basis. "We love this country, we are just rarely heard to say anything nice about it." And if that pisses you off and you say "No fair." I would counter that the polling supports the idea that is the message of the party whether it is intended or not. The Democrats have a leftist problem. The other 48% of you who I am assuming still view yourselves as true liberals, need to wake the **** up.
On the right, this fascination with strongmen needs to stop. We can have a healthy skepticism of globalism but we need to stay tethered to reality. We can beat that 52% party's ass by being an American Party. Look at the Hispanics in that poll. They are among the most Patriotic people (based on that answer) in the country. That 25% of the GOP needs to be sidelined. MTG, Cawthorn, we are not an authoritarian, racially motivated party. Siding with the international trolls to troll the (admittedly) stupid 52% of the other party is not a recipe for cohesive governance.
The world is falling back to a scarier place then people thought it was going to be in 1989. The U.S. (hell, the West) got complacent. There is a bipolar world emerging again and it is going to be the authoritarians on one side and hopefully freedom loving peoples on the other. We need to significantly reduce the amount of navel gazing we do on what we got wrong and start focusing on what we get right, because the alternative is really bad.
Through bad government actions, increased and better reporting of those actions and cover ups, a constant partisan barrage of every policy from either side as evil or self-motivated, and, yes, a left wing rethinking (and espousing) of what the American narrative should be, it is understandable WHY there are fewer people buying into the old narrative of America as a force of ultimate good in the world.
In my mind, though, we need to replace or reinvigorate that narrative or else we will continue to see large numbers of people who don't want to fight for the nation. Maybe it won't matter given our current arms superiority and geographical isolation from other world powers. But I tend to think a weak America causes more problems than a strong America does (probably because I buy into the old narrative quite a bit).
We just had a Republican sick of her Defund the Police garbage enter to run against her on the grounds of "common sense." City led the country in murders from 2015-2020. He's basically called her out as the moron that she is. It'll be interesting to see how it goes as he's black. Very smart. MBA from Wash U. VP at an electric co
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There's no "neutral" choice here...Do you have evidence for the correlation being nil?
I find that poll concerning. This would be a good topic to discuss if it weren't tainted from the start by the partisan slanted post.
We Americans are relatively safe given our geography and arms superiority. But that poll is a piece of evidence supporting the notion that our collective love of country has waned over the last 100 years. Why? What happened? Can it be fixed? Does it need to be?
We need a national narrative that a large swath of Americans want to fight for. Unlike a nation like Russia or China or Japan, we don't have ethnic homogeneity, so we need principles to rally around. I thought that was a benefit in the past; I know see the downsides when the principles/story aren't shared by most.
Through bad government actions, increased and better reporting of those actions and cover ups, a constant partisan barrage of every policy from either side as evil or self-motivated, and, yes, a left wing rethinking (and espousing) of what the American narrative should be, it is understandable WHY there are fewer people buying into the old narrative of America as a force of ultimate good in the world.
In my mind, though, we need to replace or reinvigorate that narrative or else we will continue to see large numbers of people who don't want to fight for the nation. Maybe it won't matter given our current arms superiority and geographical isolation from other world powers. But I tend to think a weak America causes more problems than a strong America does (probably because I buy into the old narrative quite a bit).
Are you actually able to trust people who clearly indicate that they won't fight in defense of this country???
Cool. Competition is good.
But I think it's really interesting to see you and Crazy screeching about overemotional college kids after watching y'all rant emotionally about folks like Cori Bush and things like CRT and health and safety protocols. I'm just glad that we can provide a safe space here for you to cry about the USWNT. I shudder to think what would happen if you weren't given the room to process.
I won't ever trust another Republicans in my lifetime after your posts here.
People like Cori Bush have consequences. They make it where you can't go downtown at night. They create actual problems. The college kids needing support over Rittenhouse is searching for a problem that doesn't exist. That they need support is the problemCool. Competition is good.
But I think it's really interesting to see you and Crazy screeching about overemotional college kids after watching y'all rant emotionally about folks like Cori Bush and things like CRT and health and safety protocols. I'm just glad that we can provide a safe space here for you to cry about the USWNT. I shudder to think what would happen if you weren't given the room to process.
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Trust them with what?
Are you talking about Dem politicians here or anyone who votes for a Dem politician or anyone who self-identifies as a Dem?
Realized I left out an important part of the issue I have with the CRT, antiracism, CRT adjacent, etc. movement up above. I firmly believe that if you continue to tell people that they don't belong, they will believe you. To me, that is what underlies all of that scholarship, the ongoing pervasive idea that black people and America don't mix. Nothing should be further from the truth. Stop dividing us up along color lines and start emphasizing the ties that bind. Freedom should be what we rally around. Freedom and Liberty should be our tether to each other. And everyone in this country can lay claim to someone who fought for those concepts on the road to a more perfect Union. Don't tear down Washington and Jefferson, they were a foundation that Douglass and King could build on. We have mistakes along the way, but we tend to get things right (even if at great cost) and that is what the focus should be. You don't have to forget the sins of the past, talk about them, but make sure we talk about the extraordinary progress that has been made in this country since its founding.Lord have mercy did this thread go off the rails. I want to try and bring it back to the more important point I think everyone missed. But first, here is the actual poll, question 8.
Vast Majority Of Americans Say Ban Russian Oil, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly 8 In 10 Support U.S. Military Response If Putin Attacks A NATO Country | Quinnipiac University Poll
"Americans are ready to put a chokehold on Russia's key financial lifeblood, oil, no matter what the consequences are at the pump," said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.
@CO. Hoosier asked if there was a breakdown by race and age, there is. I think the data points indicate a problem that I will explain below in a minute. I think the conversation too quickly went to "well we wouldn't really know unless this hypothetical happened..." True enough. However, I think @Aloha Hoosier hit on the real question here, this should be an easy yes but for people who label themselves Democrats, the majority could not say yes. A quarter of Republicans could not. A not insignificant percentage of independents could not. So why is that? Well, I would say it is because what we teach and the messages we convey have consequences.
@TommyCracker brought up CRT in the thread and how it is some boogeyman to the right. I would invite all of you to look at how blacks and people in the 18-35 demographic answered this question. Compare them to Hispanics overall. I believe that the incessant nees to point out the faults of the country while at the same time downplaying the significant overwhelming force for good that the U.S. has been to this world has consequences. Erroneously attributing the start of the nation to slavery as opposed to freedom is a poison pill to future generations and certain communities. CRT, antiracism, the 1619 Project, just plain old leftist bullshit that has taken over the Democratic Party. 52% Democrats, defend that. It means 52% of your party believes that this country and their homes are not worth fighting for. That does not ring patriotic to me. And I firmly believe it is a result of the rhetoric of the type we see here on an almost daily basis. "We love this country, we are just rarely heard to say anything nice about it." And if that pisses you off and you say "No fair." I would counter that the polling supports the idea that is the message of the party whether it is intended or not. The Democrats have a leftist problem. The other 48% of you who I am assuming still view yourselves as true liberals, need to wake the **** up.
On the right, this fascination with strongmen needs to stop. We can have a healthy skepticism of globalism but we need to stay tethered to reality. We can beat that 52% party's ass by being an American Party. Look at the Hispanics in that poll. They are among the most Patriotic people (based on that answer) in the country. That 25% of the GOP needs to be sidelined. MTG, Cawthorn, we are not an authoritarian, racially motivated party. Siding with the international trolls to troll the (admittedly) stupid 52% of the other party is not a recipe for cohesive governance.
The world is falling back to a scarier place then people thought it was going to be in 1989. The U.S. (hell, the West) got complacent. There is a bipolar world emerging again and it is going to be the authoritarians on one side and hopefully freedom loving peoples on the other. We need to significantly reduce the amount of navel gazing we do on what we got wrong and start focusing on what we get right, because the alternative is really bad.
Also one other thing, the U.S. is absolutely the protector of the free world. Anyone who says that there has not been a cost to being the "world police" is lying to themselves. Nobody wants that job if it is for an evil colonizing power bent on the repression of the world. I don't believe that is the U.S. but if you go to sites like reddit or tik tok that are frequented by younger people, that is often the message that gets through. The oppression olympics have far reaching consequences, time to kill that part of modern culture. Finding a way to feel sorry for yourself shouldn't be a badge of honor.
All of the Above... , as in Not trust them in any capacity whatsoever...
Again interesting - complaining about someone else searching for a problem that doesn't exist while moaning about CRT and college kids talking about their frustrations.
What seems to vex you most is that other people don't come running to address your concerns, but you indicate an unwillingness to listen to theirs.
Doesn't seem like a very strong way to make much progress, but you do you.
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So you'll never do business with a Democrat again for the rest of your life? Never trust a Democrat babysitter? Etc?
I don't have the foggiest idea what any of what you wrote means. Let me try anyway. CRT is fine at the college level. It has nothing to do with Rittenhouse and kids not being able to cope with a verdict that may be incongruent with their virtue signaling indoctrination. What's more it's not okay for a public U to make those political inferences in my opinion.
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