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I'm not convinced there is any support for October 7 and Hamas to speak of, but the handful of idiots sure are getting a lot of attention. What does seem to be getting people wound up is the Israeli response. I have no idea how it works on the ground, but there does appear to be little regard for the innocent civilians caught up in the righteous scorched earth approach.
Whoa. Let’s not rewrite history. There were world wide public gatherings against Israel on October 8th and immediately after. Many more than “just a handful” and there are many more on college campuses.

 
You don't need to resort to any propaganda to have uneasiness about the Israeli response. I think you're falling for the old mistake of thinking a handful of crazy people represent any sizable minority.
Really?


Scroll down about 60% through the article for these polls and then report back.

Half of Republicans say the press has been too critical in the way it has covered the actions of Israel​

punchline: 40% of all Democrats think the press is too critical of Hamas and their actions​


Republicans are less likely to say 'Israel is committing genocide' than to say it 'is taking actions to destroy all Palestinian people'​

punchline: 46% of all Democrats think Israel intends to destroy all Palestinians​

 
Whoa. Let’s not rewrite history. There were world wide public gatherings against Israel on October 8th and immediately after. Many more than “just a handful” and there are many more on college campuses.

Yeah. I’m a big Mark fan but he’s clearly a “I can’t believe this is happening” guy that is too logical to understand that it is in fact happening.
 
I bolded the last paragraph. Sounds like he was a guilt ridden white liberal anarchist.


“The US airman who died after setting himself on fire in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC was an anarchist who grew up in a religious sect, according to reports.

Aaron Bushnell, 25, shouted “Free Palestine” as he burned after dousing himself in flammable liquid on Sunday as a protest against Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza.

Since Bushnell’s death, it has emerged that he grew up in a religious compound in Orleans, Massachusetts, where his parents, Dave and Danielle Bushnell, are long-time members of the Community for Jesus church.

Described as a “charismatic sect” by critics, it has been accused in the past of functioning as a cult that intimidates and controls its followers, which it has disputed.

The church, however, has vociferously supported Israel on social media, reposting messages that strongly defend Israel’s military campaign in Gaza following Hamas’ October 7 attack.

The motivation for Bushnell’s fatal protest is more likely to have been inspired by his personal political beliefs, according to the Washington Post.

Less than two weeks before he arrived at the Israeli Embassy, Bushnell and a friend talked by phone about their shared identities as anarchists and the kinds of risks and sacrifices needed to be effective, the paper reported.

Bushnell did not mention anything self-sacrificial, the friend told the paper. But, on Sunday, Bushnell texted the same friend what appeared to be a farewell message: “I hope you’ll understand. I love you. This doesn’t even make sense, but I feel like I’m going to miss you.”

Another friend, Lupe Barboza, 32, has spoken of Bushnell’s political outlook, recalling meeting him in San Antonio, Texas, at a 2022 event for a socialist organisation. “He knows that he has privilege as a white man and a member of the military,” she told the Washington Post.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...ington-church/
 
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Another friend, Lupe Barboza, 32, has spoken of Bushnell’s political outlook, recalling meeting him in San Antonio, Texas, at a 2022 event for a socialist organisation. “He knows that he has privilege as a white man and a member of the military,” she told the Washington Post.
the ****ing language these morons use….
 
Really?


Scroll down about 60% through the article for these polls and then report back.

Half of Republicans say the press has been too critical in the way it has covered the actions of Israel​

punchline: 40% of all Democrats think the press is too critical of Hamas and their actions​


Republicans are less likely to say 'Israel is committing genocide' than to say it 'is taking actions to destroy all Palestinian people'​

punchline: 46% of all Democrats think Israel intends to destroy all Palestinians​

My response was hasty. I tried to delete it before you read it so I could do better.
 
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I'm not convinced there is any support for October 7 and Hamas to speak of, but the handful of idiots sure are getting a lot of attention. What does seem to be getting people wound up is the Israeli response. I have no idea how it works on the ground, but there does appear to be little regard for the innocent civilians caught up in the righteous scorched earth approach.
Unfortunately in war there is collateral damage. When you have Hamas hiding behind civilian shields then collateral damage unfortunately is going to be multiplied.
 
Unfortunately in war there is collateral damage. When you have Hamas hiding behind civilian shields then collateral damage unfortunately is going to be multiplied.

And should people be allowed differing opinions on how much collateral damage is acceptable?

And if said person has a different opinion, does that make them defenders of oct 7th?
 
Really?


Scroll down about 60% through the article for these polls and then report back.

Half of Republicans say the press has been too critical in the way it has covered the actions of Israel​

punchline: 40% of all Democrats think the press is too critical of Hamas and their actions​


Republicans are less likely to say 'Israel is committing genocide' than to say it 'is taking actions to destroy all Palestinian people'​

punchline: 46% of all Democrats think Israel intends to destroy all Palestinians​

Report:

I read the entire article and looked at every graph. The responses from Democrats are largely in line with the responses from Independents on most questions, with Democrats skewing slightly more favorably toward the Palestinians than Independents. The responses from Republicans are the outliers here.

Punchline: along with those 46% of Dems you mentioned there, 41% of Indies said the same thing. Meanwhile, Dems were even more likely than Indies to say that Hamas was taking actions to destroy all Israelis, 49-46.

The radical academic left is clearly predisposed to support Palestinians, and even terror groups like Hamas, because support for Israel doesn't fit in the modern East-West postcolonial paradigm. But when you get out of the ivory towers, I don't think you'll see a lot of actual liberals (outside impressionable kids) actually calling for the destruction of Israel.
 
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I read the entire article and looked at every graph. The responses from Democrats are largely in line with the responses from Independents on most questions, with Democrats skewing slightly more favorably toward the Palestinians than Independents. The responses from Republicans are the outliers here.

Punchline: along with those 46% of Dems you mentioned there, 41% of Indies said the same thing. Meanwhile, Dems were even more likely than Indies to say that Hamas was taking actions to destroy all Israelis, 49-46.

The radical academic left is clearly predisposed to support Palestinians, and even terror groups like Hamas, because support for Israel doesn't fit in the modern East-West postcolonial paradigm. But when you get out of the ivory towers, I don't think you'll see a lot of actual liberals (outside impressionable kids) actually calling for the destruction of Israel.
How do you juxtapose 46% of Dems stating that the media is too harsh on Hamas with the higher amount sure that Hamas is trying to destroy all Israelis?

The academic far left isn’t the only game in town that believe in this anti-colonialism, bastardized CRT dangerous ideology. It’s clearly more than that.
 
How do you juxtapose 46% of Dems stating that the media is too harsh on Hamas with the higher amount sure that Hamas is trying to destroy all Israelis?

The academic far left isn’t the only game in town that believe in this anti-colonialism, bastardized CRT dangerous ideology. It’s clearly more than that.
Sorry, that doesn't follow. There's probably not a lot of overlap between the Dems who say the media is too harsh on Hamas and the Dems who say Hamas is trying to destroy all Israelis.

Show me a poll that X% of Democrats support Oct 7. Then we can talk.
 
Reminds me of the time in M.A.S.H when Klinger doused himself with gas.. “HEY WHO PUT REAL GAS IN MY CAN”!!! “Stand back , stand back, get that lighter away from me”!
 
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Whoa. Let’s not rewrite history. There were world wide public gatherings against Israel on October 8th and immediately after. Many more than “just a handful” and there are many more on college campuses.


It’s like some people live under a rock (or trailer)
 
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Sorry, that doesn't follow. There's probably not a lot of overlap between the Dems who say the media is too harsh on Hamas and the Dems who say Hamas is trying to destroy all Israelis.

Show me a poll that X% of Democrats support Oct 7. Then we can talk.
That’s a leap. Could be right but not sure. When there are big numbers of 49% that say X and 46% that say Y, you’re taking a pretty big leap to say there isn’t overlap.
 
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That’s a leap. Could be right but not sure. When there are big numbers of 49% that say X and 46% that say Y, you’re taking a pretty big leap to say there isn’t overlap.
Alright, well there is a simple explanation for the overlap, if there is any: some of the people who are well aware of Hamas' intentions may also believe that Israel is trying to wipe out all Palestinians, and those people might view the media coverage as relatively one-sided, thus leading them to also say that coverage has been too harsh on Hamas.

(Edit: in other words, "too harsh on Hamas" is just a proxy for "too easy on Israel.")

Another possibility: all polls should be taken with a grain of salt, because answers don't always make sense.
 
I mourn this as much as the idiot Babbitt lady killed by the hero cops at the capital January 6 in what was a perfectly justified shot.

Two less wackos walking the street.
3 when you count George Floyd.
 
I'm not convinced there is any support for October 7 and Hamas to speak of, but the handful of idiots sure are getting a lot of attention. What does seem to be getting people wound up is the Israeli response. I have no idea how it works on the ground, but there does appear to be little regard for the innocent civilians caught up in the righteous scorched earth approach.
Wouldn't it make more sense to put protest against Hamas for not surrenduring and turning over the hostages?

This all continues because they refuse to stop. I am very sorry for the civilians, even though they did overwhelmingly support Hamas' actions on 10/7, but it could all stop today if Hamas surrendured.

Put the blame where it belongs.
 
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I bet there are people reading this who 1) will vote for Trump and 2) believe that he'll solve the Israeli-Hamas conflict and get Russia out of Ukraine within days of winning the the next presidential election.

Mostly because he tells them that.
That's your worst fear, isn't i?
 
That's your worst fear, isn't i?
What? That'd he'd actually be able to do end both of those conflicts? Do you actually think that would happen? Do you believe him?

Why would that be my worst fear? If Trump can blind-squirrel-finds-a-nuts either of those situations, I'd be glad to see it.
 
What? That'd he'd actually be able to do end both of those conflicts? Do you actually think that would happen? Do you believe him?

Why would that be my worst fear? If Trump can blind-squirrel-finds-a-nuts either of those situations, I'd be glad to see it.
squirrel GIF
 
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What? That'd he'd actually be able to do end both of those conflicts? Do you actually think that would happen? Do you believe him?

Why would that be my worst fear? If Trump can blind-squirrel-finds-a-nuts either of those situations, I'd be glad to see it.
Yes, you're afraid he could actually do it. Yes, I believe it's possible. Not likely, but possible.

You're scared to death of any Trump success.
 
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Yes, you're afraid he could actually do it. Yes, I believe it's possible. Not likely, but possible.

You're scared to death of any Trump success.
If he could pull either off, he would be indicted for some lame law from the late 1800’s that’s still on the books.
 
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Yes, you're afraid he could actually do it. Yes, I believe it's possible. Not likely, but possible.

You're scared to death of any Trump success.
I'm not afraid of that and I disagree that he could actually be successful on either front.

There is zero chance he'd be able to call Putin on day one and tell him to leave Ukraine. He lacks any type of diplomacy skills to negotiate a ceasefire/peace agreement between Israel and Palestine, so I'd say chances of that happening are zero too.

I'm curious why you think I'm "scared to death of any Trump success?"
 
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If he could pull either off, he would be indicted for some lame law from the late 1800’s that’s still on the books.
Honest question with no hidden agenda: do you think Trump is innocent of everything he's been charged with/indicted for?
 
Honest question with no hidden agenda: do you think Trump is innocent of everything he's been charged with/indicted for?
Honest answer; innocent is a terrible world for this and really is a very small % of why I think it’s all BS. There is no one going after him gives two shit about his guilt or innocence as to compared to precedent set by everyone else, doing similar, in our “history”.
This is 100%, total election interference!!
 
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Honest answer; innocent is a terrible world for this and really is a very small % of why I think it’s all BS. There is no one going after him gives two shit about his guilt or innocence as to compared to precedent set by everyone else, doing similar, in our “history”.
This is 100%, total election interference!!
So you think he's guilty, but somehow being unfairly persecuted/prosecuted.

And it's election interference.

I guess technically having 91 indictments is 'interference' in that it'd 'interfere' with just about any person's life and job. And I do think people have given 'two shits' about his criminal activity for a long time. Most of what he has been indicted for happened in the last few years.

I think it's BS that a fairly sizeable portion of the population thinks the guy should get several mulligans - 91 to be exact - because they buy his BS (literally and figuratively).
 
Honest answer; innocent is a terrible world for this and really is a very small % of why I think it’s all BS. There is no one going after him gives two shit about his guilt or innocence as to compared to precedent set by everyone else, doing similar, in our “history”.
This is 100%, total election interference!!

If people didn't care about guilt, then why aren't other politicians in danger? If you want to stick with Presidents, then where were the indictments against Bush?

Guilt matters and Trump is guilty as hell.

I thought conservatives didn't want a two-tiered justice system (aka in this instance a Trump tier and the tier for everyone else)
 
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I bet there are people reading this who 1) will vote for Trump and 2) believe that he'll solve the Israeli-Hamas conflict and get Russia out of Ukraine within days of winning the the next presidential election.

Mostly because he tells them that.
Gaslight away!!
NO ONE is saying Trump will 'solve ' the muslim-jew conflict..the hope is that he can get the killing and infrastructure damage stopped in both conflicts.
 
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I bet there are people reading this who 1) will vote for Trump and 2) believe that he'll solve the Israeli-Hamas conflict and get Russia out of Ukraine within days of winning the the next presidential election.

Mostly because he tells them that.
By November '24, Ukraine may have ceased to exist as a sovereign.. sounds as if what's left of Ukraine's military is getting happy feet.
 
I’ll never understand the raging boners some of you guys have for Putin.

I view it as not much different from the queers for Palestine loons.
Point out an uncomfortable fact about the debacle in Ukraine, become cognitive dissonant....
Do you ever read what you post?
 
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