"It's a felony if it's done to cover up another crime, which is why they had to prove his intent to cover up a crime."
C'mon, man......
We have a verdict -- Guilty on ALL counts
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C'mon, man......
I guess it makes sense to a lawyer. I wish someone would explain it to me in English.
Something can't be defined by it's own name. You can't say a crime is a crime because..... it's a crime. With intent, of course.
The statute.
“A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.”
You stated the government argument, but many legal scholars reject that interpretation. The term “another crime” is pretty specific. The offense doesn’t say “some” crime or behavior believed to be a crime. We are talking felony here. Due process which is intended to provide meaningful notice of the wrongful conduct, would require “another crime” as meaning what it says, another crime.
Nothing I typed can be reduced to some silly self-reference. I explained why the predicate crime didn't need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, i.e., because it was not actually an element of the crime Trump was convicted of. I explained this clearly and without ambiguity. I have no idea what you could possibly imagine your point is.
Yes, I stated the government argument, which is probably backed up by precedent in at least the Seventh Circuit, and perhaps others. I did not say I agreed with it, and in fact, have made it clear since the beginning of the trial that I did not.
Here you go then:
I hope you read them. Actually being smart is harder than just trying to claim you're smart.
Actually, let me amend my previous response slightly. At the beginning, my objection to the prosecution wasn't on due process grounds at all, but rather on the fact that I didn't agree that the predicate crimes offered were really crimes at all. However, considering how Byzantine our election laws are, I have to admit that I could have been wrong on that one.
That said, I am uncomfortable with the concept of raising a misdemeanor to a felony based on a crime that doesn't need to be proven. I cannot go as far as your "many legal scholars" to reject the legal reasoning that justifies it. I just don't like it, as a matter of justice.
It’s sort of like aggravating. Third dwi elevates to a felony. Etc
I understand it just fine, you troglodyte.
Try reading a post before you spaz out on it.
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Your post read as though people being ignorant of the crime somehow made the verdict ridiculous. And seem to be serious.
Maybe try making sense and people wouldn't spaz out on it
For it to be legally admissible, doesn't it have to be proven (i.e. him be found guilty of it) for it to be admissible?
**keyboard warrior- boom they just did...**
Wrong, it would have been a federal crime, not within Braggs ability to prosecute. Right? I am not a lawyer.
Why doubt?
Did the prosecution leave any serious doubt that Trump was involved with falsifying business records? No.
Did the prosecution leave any serious doubt that Trump intended to influence the election when he did so? No.
But, after the convictions, his Capitol Hill surrogates said they blamed the prosecutor and judge but specifically said they do not blame the jury. Figure that one out.
These things in your post are not things that are "right before your eyes" -- they're all secondhand:
-- "i read that he has significant limitations"
-- "i read that he has his route shortened so people don't see how he shuffles"
-- "i understand that he isn't allowed to go off script"
Your opinions are based on secondhand information.
So, you claim you put me on "ignore" but don't really "ignore" me? LOL!It takes you off ignore when I take anyone else off ignore. I've had Stuffshirt (or whatever his ID is) on ignore, but I take him off to respond if I see a response to him that I want to comment on.
I saw your post and decided to respond. But I won't be a hypocrite (I know OS reads my posts, even though he says he has me on ignore) - I'll take you off ignore. I'll try not to respond to your personal insults, but I also expect you to behave yourself.
You're just as honest as Trump.
Democrats build statues of felons.. spare us with the convicted felon BS.
wrong per usual.
i have eyes and ears and can see his significant limitations that comport with what the special prosecutor said: The report described the 81-year-old Democrat's memory as “hazy,” “fuzzy,” “faulty,” “poor” and having “significant limitations.” It noted that Biden could not recall defining milestones in his own life such as when his son Beau died or when he served as vice president.
i've seen the biden shuffle as it's all over instagram. it's alarming to see and why his handlers are shortening his route.
Pictured: Joe Biden ‘uses team of walkers to hide shuffling gait’
Joe Biden is using a team of “walkers” around him to disguise his shuffling gait from photographers, it has been claimed.
it's common knowledge that he has few press conferences and reads directly from a teleprompter - hence a script. pause. four more years. pause.
your head is in the sand
And, it was stupid to attack the Republicans that ran the Georgia election (Secretary of State etc.) by insisting that there had been election fraud in the Georgia election by hundreds of thousands of votes, especially in a recorded phone call. That was basically saying to their faces that they were incompetent.
Then Trump's amateurism shone supernova bright when he said in the same call, "I just want to find 11,780 votes". After that statement, the Georgia officials could not possibly reverse their earlier certification of the results in Biden's favor without appearing to be doing Trump's bidding..
Trump simply does not know how to deal with people through persuasion, Bullying is all he knows. His big point in The Art of the Deal was to be willing to walk away from the negotiation if things aren't going his way.
Apparently, it is a crime in NY when you falsify business records to influence an election.
One no one here seems to be able to identify.
And you still can't even identify the 'predicate crime' that was supposedly committed.
Yep, just as I thought - no other federal crime identified.
Not hard to figure out when the judge gave bizarre instructions to the jury to pick a crime - any crime - and as long as they found at least one crime, they had to convict. Even if they didn't all agree on what crime.
Just ****ing bizarre.
Nah, with you, I just put you on ignore because I couldn't stand your stupidity.
Sometimes I take you off ignore to read your posts for a good laugh.
You focus on the dumbest things. Trump lost the case under NY law. Maybe it will be overturned on appeal, and maybe not. Whining about the case will do nothing.
You must be replying to the wrong post - my post had nothing about the election.
Unless your TDS is more out of control than normal tonight.
Nope. Correct post. Nothing in that was about the election. Your devotion to Trump has caused your TDS.
I saw plenty of videos of people around the world celebrating the verdict.
Only 10-15% of military personnel see combat. I think it's something close to 10 support personnel per combat soldier.
It has been said. So no source. Got it.wrong per usual.
i have eyes and ears and can see his significant limitations that comport with what the special prosecutor said: The report described the 81-year-old Democrat's memory as “hazy,” “fuzzy,” “faulty,” “poor” and having “significant limitations.” It noted that Biden could not recall defining milestones in his own life such as when his son Beau died or when he served as vice president.
i've seen the biden shuffle as it's all over instagram. it's alarming to see and why his handlers are shortening his route.
Pictured: Joe Biden ‘uses team of walkers to hide shuffling gait’
Joe Biden is using a team of “walkers” around him to disguise his shuffling gait from photographers, it has been claimed.www.yahoo.com
it's common knowledge that he has few press conferences and reads directly from a teleprompter - hence a script. pause. four more years. pause.
your head is in the sand
Now you're replying like Hickory, with his juvenile 'oh yeah, well so are you' posts.
federal prosecutor not good enough for you? how about your eyes? perhaps your own ears?
any idea why doj is trying so hard to prevent hte audio from biden coming out? hmmmmm
