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We have a verdict -- Guilty on ALL counts

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You clearly never read any of the Cohen prosecution filings, or you have a very short memory. Does "Individual 1" ring a bell? The feds referred to Trump by that name in charging Cohen with skirting campaign contribution rules by arranging for payments to McDougal and Daniels to shut them up about their affairs with Trump. Federal prosecutors said "Individual 1" directed Cohen to make the payments which they said should have been subject to campaign finance laws because they were made for the purpose of helping Trump win the election. The feds didn't move against Trump because he was president at the time. There's longstanding Justice policy that you can't prosecute a sitting president. There was also a concern that Trump could preemptively pardon himself. Finally, and not surprisingly, the feds were concerned about Cohen's credibility as a witness.

You should read more. (Reading shit on social media doesn't count). The feds were well aware of Trump's wrongdoing.
Like judge Merchan. You and whoever you're quoting here do not understand campaign finance laws. Whether Trump wrongfully believed the hush money payments qualified as a campaign expense is immaterial. It does not.
 
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Intent in his case was subjective. They were racing and cutting each other off. My cousin her daughter and best friends son also died in a road rage incident. Her husband caused it. He is now sitting in prison. His was plead to manslaughter and attempted murder. So he got attempted murder and manslaughter I believe. Attempted was for the road rage. Manslaughter was for his wife and daughter. Sad sad sad.
My condolences. Road rage is a particularly heinous crime that could strike any of us...

Was a firearm involved?
 
Like judge Merchan. You and whoever you're quoting here do not understand campaign finance laws. Whether Trump wrongfully believed the hush money payments qualified as a campaign expense is immaterial. It does not.
Now you're going full dbm... He is "quoting" Trump's DOJ, and one of the charges they levelled against Michael Cohen in 2018. Cohen was just the recipient of the illegal reimbursement and he got 3 yrs. Are you going to try and argue that Trump, who masterminded the scheme wasn't aware of what the checks he signed to Cohen were for?

Wow Trump's DOJ sure went to a lot of trouble to add this "insignificant" account of violations of campaign finance laws to the charges Cohen plead guilty of. Guess they should have consulted you beforehand?

I mean they could have just removed Trump's pseudonym and entered this charge from 2018 verbatim into the current court documents...

"COHEN caused and made the payments described herein in order to influence the 2016 presidential election. In so doing, he coordinated with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls, about the fact, nature, and timing of the payments." (See Pecker Cohen testimony about Trump Tower MEETING. You know one of the key pieces of evidence the jury requested to be re-read to them)...

"As a result of the payments solicited and made by COHEN, neither Woman-1 nor Woman-2 spoke to the press prior to the election."

In January 2017, COHEN in seeking reimbursement for election-related expenses, presented executives of the Company with a copy of a bank statement from the Essential Consultants bank account, which reflected the $130,000 payment COHEN had made to the bank account of Attorney-1 in order to keep Woman-2 silent in advance of the election, plus a $35 wire fee, adding, in handwriting, an additional “$50,000.” The $50,000 represented a claimed payment for “tech services,” which in fact related to work COHEN had solicited from a technology company during and in connection with the campaign. COHEN added these amounts to a sum of $180,035. After receiving this document, executives of the Company “grossed up” for tax purposes COHEN’s requested reimbursement of $180,000 to $360,000, and then added a bonus of $60,000 so that COHEN would be paid $420,000 in total. Executives of the Company also determined that the $420,000 would be paid to COHEN in monthly amounts of $35,000 over the course of 12 months, and that COHEN should send invoices for these payments.

On February 14, 2017, COHEN sent an executive of the Company (“Executive-1”) the first of his monthly invoices, requesting “[p]ursuant to [a] retainer agreement, . . . payment for services rendered for the months of January and February, 2017.” The invoice listed $35,000 for each of those two months. Executive-1 forwarded the invoice to another executive of the Company (“Executive-2”) the same day by email, and it was approved. Executive-1 forwarded that email to another employee at the Company, stating: “Please pay from the Trust. Post to legal expenses. Put ‘retainer for the months of January and February 2017’ in the description.”

Throughout 2017, COHEN sent to one or more representatives of the Company monthly invoices, which stated, “Pursuant to the retainer agreement, kindly remit payment for services rendered for” the relevant month in 2017, and sought $35,000 per month. The Company accounted for these payments as legal expenses. In truth and in fact, there was no such retainer agreement, and the monthly invoices COHEN submitted were not in connection with any legal services he had provided in 2017.

During 2017, pursuant to the invoices described above, COHEN received monthly $35,000 reimbursement checks, totaling $420,000. "

And yet Trump's defense team maintained from Day 1 of the trial that there was "no reimbursement". One of the very charges Cohen plead guilty to in 2018...
 
Like judge Merchan. You and whoever you're quoting here do not understand campaign finance laws. Whether Trump wrongfully believed the hush money payments qualified as a campaign expense is immaterial. It does not.
I'm quoting the feds and responding to your erroneous claim that Justice decided there was no wrongdoing on Trump's part.
 
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You got that right. The New Deal and Great Society aren’t being put back in the box at this point.

That why when we look back on the ashes of the American Republic. We should reserve an oversized portion of blame for FDR and LBJ. They both broke our founding bargain in irreversible and destructive ways.
Yep. FDR is arguably the worse President in U.S. History.
 
Of course it was. Bragg campaigned on getting Trump while the Feds and his predecessor looked at the facts and refused to file charges.

The #3 man at the DOJ quit his job there to join Bragg's team and, no doubt, directed the prosecution. Bragg didn't think up this misdemeanor-to-felony charge by himself.

The judge was selected, not on a random basis. He refused a change of venue, even though the district was 85% Democrat - during a Presidential campaign.

The judge refused to let an expert in campaign finance law testify for the defense.

The judge instructed the jury - at the last minutes - to select one of 3 federal charges and they didn't all have to agree on one - just pick one 3 charges, so they vote could have been 4-4-4.

It was rigged before the trial ever started. It was a kangaroo court and Soviet-style show trial, obvious to any objective observer.
"Of course it was. Bragg campaigned on getting Trump while the Feds and his predecessor looked at the facts and refused to file charges."

Why do you keep lying? Bragg and Letitia James, despite being Black, are not the same person. Bragg ran for office in 2022, and one of the first acts of his new Admin was to freeze the investigation into Trump...

"Bragg inherited a years long grand jury investigation into hush money paid on Trump’s behalf during his 2016 presidential campaign.

After taking office, Bragg slowed down his office’s move toward an indictment against Trump and said he had concerns about the strength of the case. That sparked a public protest by two prosecutors who were leading the investigation and resigned."

But Bragg convened a new grand jury early this year after successfully convicting Trump’s family company for tax fraud. He called that result a “strong demarcation line” for proceeding with other parts of the probe."

"The #3 man at the DOJ quit his job there to join Bragg's team and, no doubt, directed the prosecution. Bragg didn't think up this misdemeanor-to-felony charge by himself."

Why would you assume Coangelo would be "in charge" of directing the prosecution? Colangelo was a co-worker of Bragg's and they worked together on the Trump foundation investigation. Colangelo also worked in Letitia James' office, so now he had at least his second AA supervisor when Bragg hired him.

Are you (clumsily) trying to claim that Bragg was some sort of DEI hire, rather than a Harvard grad who had served for years as both a Federal Prosecutor and as an Asst DA for the state of New York? You think someone who had started investigating white collar crime in NY as far back as 2005 wasn't versed well enough in NY law to develop his theory of the case and pursue and secure an Indictment?

This is such a stupid talking point, so no surprise you parrot it... Check out Colangelo's resume. Why wouldn't Bragg want to hire him to work in his office?

"Matthew Colangelo became Acting Associate Attorney General on January 20, 2021.

Prior to his appointment, Mr. Colangelo served in the New York Attorney General’s Office as the Chief Counsel for Federal Initiatives and as Executive Deputy Attorney General for Social Justice. He has been a Distinguished Lecturer at the Georgetown University Law Center, and served in the Obama administration as a Deputy Assistant to President Obama and Deputy Director of the National Economic Council. Prior to that, he served as Chief of Staff to Department of Labor Secretary Tom Perez for three years, and as Deputy Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the Department of Justice.

Mr. Colangelo holds a J.D. from Harvard University.

What is so nefarious to you about a former co-worker who became DA for Manhattan in Jan 2022 hiring his experienced friend away from a desk job at DOJ? Bragg likely paid him more money,gave him the oppty to return home and the added benefit of going after Trump. For Colangelo, what's not to love?
 
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I don't mind paying taxes that much. What I hate is the waste and vote-buying for things like student loan foregiveness.
Don't forget buying votes by trying to build an expensive wall from San Diego to Brownsville!
 
Haven't you heard -- the federal government is prosecuting Hunter Biden. Doesn't seem like a free pass.
Nobody cares about the gun charge that DOJ failed to let Hunter wiggle out of.

A special counsel should have been appointed to look into the Biden families overseas business dealings. Someone in the mold of Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley would be great.

Expecting the House to do so is a joke. The House can’t investigate anything. Might as well ask a kindergarten class to open the investigation.
 

A state ethics panel quietly dismissed a complaint last summer against the New York judge presiding over the criminal trial of Donald J. Trump, issuing a warning over small donations the judge had made to groups supporting Democrats, including the campaign of Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The judge, Juan M. Merchan, donated a total of $35 to the groups in 2020, including a $15 donation earmarked for the Biden campaign, and $10 to a group called “Stop Republicans.”

Political contributions of any kind are prohibited under state judicial ethics rules
I'll see your lousy $35 donation from Merchon prior to the 2020 election, and raise you Trump appointed Judge Cannon's multiple luxury trips to Montana, paid for by George Mason's (Leonard Leo affiliated) Scalia School of Law since then...

"However, reporting by National Public Radio shows that Cannon traveled twice recently to a luxury resort in Pray, Montana, to attend a conservative legal conference, but failed to disclose the trips, which some estimate cost in the tens of thousands of dollars apiece.

Federal guidelines do not prohibit a sitting federal judge from taking luxury vacation, even paid for by another person or group, so long as they are disclosed and documented."

 
I'll see your lousy $35 donation from Merchon prior to the 2020 election, and raise you Trump appointed Judge Cannon's multiple luxury trips to Montana, paid for by George Mason's (Leonard Leo affiliated) Scalia School of Law since then...

"However, reporting by National Public Radio shows that Cannon traveled twice recently to a luxury resort in Pray, Montana, to attend a conservative legal conference, but failed to disclose the trips, which some estimate cost in the tens of thousands of dollars apiece.

Federal guidelines do not prohibit a sitting federal judge from taking luxury vacation, even paid for by another person or group, so long as they are disclosed and documented."

She’s supposed to pay her own way for a law conference she was invited to?

Seems pretty standard to me. Law school puts on conference, law school Invites federal judge, law school helps with accommodations.
 
It's up to $53M now? Shit, Trump should quit fighting all the other charges then and rake in the dough.
Needs to put up the good fight to maximize the effect.
Interesting that the constitution anticipated banana republic tactics in the 18th century.
Then again show trials were in the Bible too.
 
This “gotcha” game with judges taking trips and not documenting everything perfectly is really unbecoming for the Democratic Party. Sotomayor got dinged for the same thing. It’s a transparent attempt to discredit SCOTUS because Democrats are pouting about the fact they feel they no longer control it.
Can you taste the irony?
 
She’s supposed to pay her own way for a law conference she was invited to?

Seems pretty standard to me. Law school puts on conference, law school Invites federal judge, law school helps with accommodations.
And of all the new district judges to invite, I wonder how they could possibly decide to go with Cannon.
 
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That’s a pretty ignorant thing to say considering FEC and DOJ both looked at the case and decided there was no wrongdoing.
You keep repeating this convoluted talking point. The DOJ (under SDNY Prosecutor Geoffrey Berman) didn't decide there was no case. Trump and Barr did and they forced Berman to step down against his will...

The FEC is made up of equal amounts of Dems and Pubs, and Trump was the Pub POTUS. How do you think that vote is gonna come out?

There was enough evidence for Trump's DOJ to prosecute Cohen for participating in the catch and kill/faulty reimbursement conspiracy, but not enough to charge the mastermind himself?

I'm curious as to how you think the campaign was able to put this phony reimbursement masquerading as legal services plan into action without Trump knowing?
 
Garbage events beget garbage discussion.

The Trump conviction was indeed a garbage event. In the history books it’ll be cited as a moment when political partisanship brought America to its knees.

But in the moment there is no way for our progressive friends to understand that. Those that constantly tell you they need to be on the “right side of HiStOrY” usually are not.
In the history books, the emphasis will always be how in the world the country ever elected such an ignorant, corrupt, totally incompetent person and how many people fell into his cult. Everything else will be secondary to that. History will not look kindly on Trump and his cult.
 
I'm sure. They were excellent friends that smiled in front of cameras and sometimes put on skits together. The Obamas definitely respect him deeply.

I think they gave him one singular responsibility during the Obama administration. It was Ukraine policy I believe. He's done great.
He has done well with Ukraine. And they speak quite often.
 
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