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Vivek is the most Presidential

Nope. You know better than that. It's a calling out of you for hyping multiple candidates.
Guilty. I enjoy hyping Kennedy. I would vote for Kennedy over Trump or any Republican candidate that was against Bitcoin.
No consideration of Kemp? Or maybe for VP? I mention this because the local NPR station was pumping him or both spots . . . .
I don’t know much about Kemp. I know he did a good job with Covid and that’s about it. I obviously prefer him over Trump, but that’s not saying much.
 
calling out of you for hyping multiple candidates.
I don’t understand why this is a problem for you. There are several candidates (and non-candidates) that i would be comfortable in “hyping”. There is a lot of quality to choose from besides B and T.

I haven’t thought about Kemp. What is his case?
 
Grin. Did you Google “is Google biased?” To find that link?

I have bookmarked a 2or3 year old link about the uselessness of wind and solar energy. You can Google your butt off and won’t find it without the exact title.
I used is Google's algorithm biased against conservatives.

Below is an interesting study by the Economist. It is paywalled, but you can see the graphics. One graphic shows various political sites and their return by Google. Yes, InfoWars and Kos are both biased against. Info Wars is more likely returned than Kos, but both are returned less than most other.

NPR and NY Post are virtually identical in their returns in searches. CNN is returned a bit more than Fox, but it isn't a crazy amount on the chart.

Forbes and Fortune are returned the most. I will say that Forbes' placement seems accurate, I seldom do a search that Forbes isn't returned toward the top.


This guy discusses the issue as someone whose professional job is to boost Google returns:


Interesting that he says more conservative sites are paywalled than liberal sites. Since Google can't necessarily scan WSJ, it can't see who it links to. It also can't follow links to WSJ. So WSJ will score lower and other conservative sites will score lower because WSJ is paywalled.

NYT is also paywalled and is also returned below the bell curve. As he points out, liberal positions are helped that government sites and university sites are almost never behind a paywall. So all those universities doing research on climate change (and government agencies) contribute positive scores to one another.

Reuters scores very high in factual accuracy and isn't returned as much as it should be. I wonder why? I am guessing media sites pick up Reuters stories and return them with the byline but not with the link. So it isn't getting linked to. Just Googling Reuters returns a lot of other media quoting Reuters, but not linking.

I'm sure you won't like the Economist link, but I find it fascinating. I once was involved in similar work, I was charged both with improving our Google score and with getting email past spam filters. In many ways, the two items are very similar. I didn't have the Google expertise that the real pros have (but I sadly had it at beating spam filters), but there is a lot of public information out there to give one a fighting chance with Google. The problem is so many are trying to maximize Google returns. Sites that don't play the game at all come back on page 23 of your search. That may be your example of wind and solar. We literally would find other places doing similar work and ask them to link us if we linked them in an effort to build both our scores. We weren't selling products per se, we were trying to get out information. Think how a convention and visitor's bureau wants information about events out.
 
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You're all over the map. One day it's Robert Kennedy Jr. Then it's Vivek is the most "presidential".

Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue.
What a novel concept, to seek information about candidates, have discussion, form opinions, & be open to making a decision or changing your mind as you learn more about them. I suppose you’re already locked in today regardless of what info becomes available or what you see from a candidate.🙄
 
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What a novel concept, to seek information about candidates, have discussion, form opinions, & be open to making a decision or changing your mind as you learn more about them. I suppose you’re already locked in today regardless of what info becomes available or what you see from a candidate.🙄
And you'd be wrong . . . still. Just like you have always been.

I'm actually looking for a candidate to back. Neither RFKjr. nor Vivek is it . . . .
 
And you'd be wrong . . . still. Just like you have always been.

I'm actually looking for a candidate to back. Neither RFKjr. nor Vivek is it . . . .

I'm thinking of donating $20 to this guy, one dollar at a time.

 
Using the term "bidenflation" is pretty pathetic but there are worse options.
 
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Using the term "bidenflation" is pretty pathetic but there are worse options.
Good point. I just looked back. You know how many liberals used the term "Trumpflation" on this forum? Only one. IGW (of course). That was it. No one else did it.

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that, while both sides have their crazies, the libs on this forum are, on average, far more reasonable than the conservatives.
 
Using the term "bidenflation" is pretty pathetic but there are worse options.
Comes with the territory. Joe needs to hope the economy continues to improve and then sell Bidenomics. He's going to get saddled with any weaknesses, so he better demand credit for the strengths.
 
Good point. I just looked back. You know how many liberals used the term "Trumpflation" on this forum? Only one. IGW (of course). That was it. No one else did it.

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that, while both sides have their crazies, the libs on this forum are, on average, far more reasonable than the conservatives.
To be fair, inflation wasn't an issue under Trump.
 
I used is Google's algorithm biased against conservatives.

Below is an interesting study by the Economist. It is paywalled, but you can see the graphics. One graphic shows various political sites and their return by Google. Yes, InfoWars and Kos are both biased against. Info Wars is more likely returned than Kos, but both are returned less than most other.

NPR and NY Post are virtually identical in their returns in searches. CNN is returned a bit more than Fox, but it isn't a crazy amount on the chart.

Forbes and Fortune are returned the most. I will say that Forbes' placement seems accurate, I seldom do a search that Forbes isn't returned toward the top.


This guy discusses the issue as someone whose professional job is to boost Google returns:


Interesting that he says more conservative sites are paywalled than liberal sites. Since Google can't necessarily scan WSJ, it can't see who it links to. It also can't follow links to WSJ. So WSJ will score lower and other conservative sites will score lower because WSJ is paywalled.

NYT is also paywalled and is also returned below the bell curve. As he points out, liberal positions are helped that government sites and university sites are almost never behind a paywall. So all those universities doing research on climate change (and government agencies) contribute positive scores to one another.

Reuters scores very high in factual accuracy and isn't returned as much as it should be. I wonder why? I am guessing media sites pick up Reuters stories and return them with the byline but not with the link. So it isn't getting linked to. Just Googling Reuters returns a lot of other media quoting Reuters, but not linking.

I'm sure you won't like the Economist link, but I find it fascinating. I once was involved in similar work, I was charged both with improving our Google score and with getting email past spam filters. In many ways, the two items are very similar. I didn't have the Google expertise that the real pros have (but I sadly had it at beating spam filters), but there is a lot of public information out there to give one a fighting chance with Google. The problem is so many are trying to maximize Google returns. Sites that don't play the game at all come back on page 23 of your search. That may be your example of wind and solar. We literally would find other places doing similar work and ask them to link us if we linked them in an effort to build both our scores. We weren't selling products per se, we were trying to get out information. Think how a convention and visitor's bureau wants information about events out.
I don’t think you can measure bias by looking at liberal vs conservative material.

A few days ago, I read a piece about a legitimate science heavy weight commenting that there is no climate crisis and the IPCC is wrong. I couldn’t find that using google.
 
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I don’t think you can measure bias by looking at le real vs conservative material.

A few days ago, I read a piece about a legitimate science heavy weight commenting that there is no climate crisis and the IPCC is wrong. I couldn’t find that using google.

Could just be your google-fu sucks.
 
I don’t think you can measure bias by looking at le real vs conservative material.

A few days ago, I read a piece about a legitimate science heavy weight commenting that there is no climate crisis and the IPCC is wrong. I couldn’t find that using google.
Try Duck Duck Go.
 
I don’t think you can measure bias by looking at le real vs conservative material.

A few days ago, I read a piece about a legitimate science heavy weight commenting that there is no climate crisis and the IPCC is wrong. I couldn’t find that using google.
Who was the heavy weight? I mean I am pretty hefty but I doubt Google would return my opinions on AGW😃
 
I'm starting to come to the conclusion that, while both sides have their crazies, the libs on this forum are, on average, far more reasonable than the conservatives.
I’m shocked that you would think this.

Meanwhile we’ve seen written here by reasonable liberals:

Trump licks Putin’s balls.
Trump licks/kisses Putin’s ass
Trump is a Russian agent/asset.
Trumpists
Trumpbots
Say something positive about Trump and you are a Trump ball licker/ass licker
Trump will end democracy
cult followers
Malinia is a slut

Thats just for warmup.
 
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Good point. I just looked back. You know how many liberals used the term "Trumpflation" on this forum? Only one. IGW (of course). That was it. No one else did it.

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that, while both sides have their crazies, the libs on this forum are, on average, far more reasonable than the conservatives.

Presidents get way too much credit/blame for the economy. Inflation is happening all over the world.

This could just be putinflation afterall lol.
 
Good point. I just looked back. You know how many liberals used the term "Trumpflation" on this forum? Only one. IGW (of course). That was it. No one else did it.

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that, while both sides have their crazies, the libs on this forum are, on average, far more reasonable than the conservatives.
Maybe now, but not before Trump so much. Definitely not before Obama. There was a ton of lib crazy then with countless conspiracy theories.
 
To be fair, inflation wasn't an issue under Trump.
Economy started tanking under Trump due to covid. Inflation followed across the globe as the markets adjusted to global shortages and the recovery that followed.

If Trump had won re-election, it would just be dems putting blame on him for inflation.

I would bet greed is also a component of the inflation as they got people accustomed to the higher prices when stock was short. Why not keep milking it even as products were restocked.
 
Presidents get way too much credit/blame for the economy. Inflation is happening all over the world.

This could just be putinflation afterall lol.
We have discussed how policy has impacted inflation in the US a thousand times. Just like cori bush and blm. Do you have a brain injury? Do you work for the dnc? Why do you do this? Do you think we forget? What is your deal? Seriously? This isn’t normal posting. It’s like you have an agenda. You work for the party. Or you are one of the dumbest mfers I have ever read
 
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we're trying to find a conservative you like. my guess is you are a fan of the bush types. neocons. that's a dying breed in the republican party imo. i suspect we are going to see more and more younger politicians willing to engage globally economically but not militarily. so yes there will be greater isolation, as promoted by trump and i trust many others. vivek and if you'll recall desantis also said that he doesn't believe support for ukraine is in the best interest of the united states. vivek and desantis are both elites, both harvard/yale, both exceptionally young.

as i said. when the dems on here say for conservatives to take their party back, or aloha's gop, i don't think they recognize the party has and is changing. there's nothing to take back.

When your opponent says you're the 'real' Republican, it's time to check yourself.
 
I have an incredibly solid base. Some say the most solid base in the history of bases. Quite extraordinary, actually. My base is leterally the envy of other bases around the world.
I've seen your base. It is impressive and solid. Maybe the most impressive and solid base ever.
 
Google is your friend, if you have an hour or so to waste.
Google this exact phrase

science heavyweight promotes global warming

Now that is bad googling, which is what Mark alluded to. But bad Googling is common.

I had recently watched a Neil Degrasse Tyson interview on global warming. Guess what, for me, the interview was nowhere to be found. Oh, the bias.

For me, the 4th return was an NIH report from 1998 that many scientists do NOT believe in Global warming. Wait, at no point did I ask for scientists who oppose global warming as I specifically said 'promotes', what the heck is that doing there. Oh the bias.

The NIH study makes perfect sense, it is a government study and a ton of websites link to it. First on my list is a NASA page on AGW, is there any doubt a crap ton of pages link back to NASA on this subject.

A quick scroll, I don't see Koz or other progressive sites linked. Most that deal with global warming, and many do not, are governmental, university, NGO, and news gathering organizations.

I am curious, type in that phrase, or better yet, copy and paste, and see if that NIH study is there.

I also googled

Scientist disproves global warming

That NIH report was #1. After that many were of the type "Global warming skeptic CO Hoosier is wrong for these reasons". But the ones that matched what one expects were Forbes, and I believe I said above Forbes appears very often. So there were two Forbes articles on page 1, 1) 97% of scientis support GW is a myth 2) why apocalyptic claims on global warming are wrong.

Any engine that tries to rate the value of websites to put in order a return will have bias against fringe ideas. I haven't searched for "why is earth flat", but I bet if I do most sites debunk flat earth. Same for searching "influenza caused by demonic spirits". Simply put, most governments, most NGOs, most universities back AGW as a theory so it WILL be returned more often. Don't worry, Google "does communism work" and see what you get.
 
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Google this exact phrase

science heavyweight promotes global warming

Now that is bad googling, which is what Mark alluded to. But bad Googling is common.

I had recently watched a Neil Degrasse Tyson interview on global warming. Guess what, for me, the interview was nowhere to be found. Oh, the bias.

For me, the 4th return was an NIH report from 1998 that many scientists do NOT believe in Global warming. Wait, at no point did I ask for scientists who oppose global warming as I specifically said 'promotes', what the heck is that doing there. Oh the bias.

The NIH study makes perfect sense, it is a government study and a ton of websites link to it. First on my list is a NASA page on AGW, is there any doubt a crap ton of pages link back to NASA on this subject.

A quick scroll, I don't see Koz or other progressive sites linked. Most that deal with global warming, and many do not, are governmental, university, NGO, and news gathering organizations.

I am curious, type in that phrase, or better yet, copy and paste, and see if that NIH study is there.

I also googled

Scientist disproves global warming

That NIH report was #1. After that many were of the type "Global warming skeptic CO Hoosier is wrong for these reasons". But the ones that matched what one expects were Forbes, and I believe I said above Forbes appears very often. So there were two Forbes articles on page 1, 1) 97% of scientis support GW is a myth 2) why apocalyptic claims on global warming are wrong.

Any engine that tries to rate the value of websites to put in order a return will have bias against fringe ideas. I haven't searched for "why is earth flat", but I bet if I do most sites debunk flat earth. Same for searching "influenza caused by demonic spirits". Simply put, most governments, most NGOs, most universities back AGW as a theory so it WILL be returned more often. Don't worry, Google "does communism work" and see what you get.
This is some Cosmic-level posting, right here. lol
 
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This is some Cosmic-level posting, right here. lol

I know, anything beyond "you suck" is too long and complex for some here. Yet what I posted was what was required when Buzz was here. Back when this place was good, and *you suck" posts would get one banned.

It is a shame the conservative movement once championed by the brilliant William F Buckley now consists of people unable to read more than 10 single-syllable words.
 
I know, anything beyond "you suck" is too long and complex for some here. Yet what I posted was what was required when Buzz was here. Back when this place was good, and *you suck" posts would get one banned.

It is a shame the conservative movement once championed by the brilliant William F Buckley now consists of people unable to read more than 10 single-syllable words.
If you can't make a point without writing a novel, that's not good communication.

I was just pulling your leg, but part of Cosmic's problem is, he takes so long to make a point that people lose interest. This isn't a place for long-bearded, wannabe-scholarly posts. If you want that, you should petition for a board like that and run it to your satisfaction.
 
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If you can't make a point without writing a novel, that's not good communication.

I was just pulling your leg, but part of Cosmic's problem is, he takes so long to make a point that people lose interest. This isn't a place for long-bearded, wannabe-scholarly posts. If you want that, you should petition for a board like that and run it to your satisfaction.
You're describing the AOTF to a tee. You should check out the current scholarly discussion about soft porn being blocked in various users browsers and the technology behind it.

The thread is entitled "Friday Funnies". Don't let the title fool you. We get right down to the nitty gritty.
 
If you can't make a point without writing a novel, that's not good communication.

I was just pulling your leg, but part of Cosmic's problem is, he takes so long to make a point that people lose interest. This isn't a place for long-bearded, wannabe-scholarly posts. If you want that, you should petition for a board like that and run it to your satisfaction.
As someone said the other day...

DANC all up in his feelz:
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I know, anything beyond "you suck" is too long and complex for some here. Yet what I posted was what was required when Buzz was here. Back when this place was good, and *you suck" posts would get one banned.

It is a shame the conservative movement once championed by the brilliant William F Buckley now consists of people unable to read more than 10 single-syllable words.
This is way way too many words. You suck 😁
 
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Googled, went to his presidential site. Opened up to a donation page and there sits "if you want to defeat wokeism". Pretty A+ pandering right there.

I get it is popular, but I would hope a serious candidate would lead with a serious topic.
Can’t

Millions of votes depend on the first 3 seconds of exposure on-line and on cable news.

Serious consideration of positions is a danger to “democracy”
 
Can’t

Millions of votes depend on the first 3 seconds of exposure on-line and on cable news.

Serious consideration of positions is a danger to “democracy”

I would be sad, but it is our history. Most people of the day couldn't read, so Common Sense and Federalist Papers were read by a select few I will call "the elite" and not the masses.

I had a buddy do his dissertation on common soldiers in the Civil War. It proved very difficult, very few could write. So finding first person sources was difficult. Plenty of officers could, but only so much could be officers griping about the men.
 
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