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Vivek is the most Presidential

One thing I noticed is that he repeatedly promises to do X, but that it could only be temporary and he would stop doing X later. For example, he wants to "temporarily" end birthright citizenship. Can't remember other specific examples, but he did it repeatedly to the point that it seemed he was hedging on just about everything.

Then he wants to overhaul education, but somehow thinks he can do that by abolishing the Department of Education. Huh? How you going to overhaul it nationally without a Department of Education? Just let each state decide how to do it? Yeah, that will work well.

He also wants to abolish the IRS and the FBI, replacing the FBI with, essentially, a new FBI.
I'm not sure how much the Dept. of Ed has right now over K-12 policy, curriculum, etc. Is it a lot? Aren't states pretty much doing most of the education work on their own?
 
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One thing I noticed is that he repeatedly promises to do X, but that it could only be temporary and he would stop doing X later. For example, he wants to "temporarily" end birthright citizenship. Can't remember other specific examples, but he did it repeatedly to the point that it seemed he was hedging on just about everything.

Then he wants to overhaul education, but somehow thinks he can do that by abolishing the Department of Education. Huh? How you going to overhaul it nationally without a Department of Education? Just let each state decide how to do it? Yeah, that will work well.

He also wants to abolish the IRS and the FBI, replacing the FBI with, essentially, a new FBI.
Sounds like a campaign of talking points and platitudes.
 
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Sounds like a campaign of talking points and platitudes.
I listened to him before. He seems like a guy of substance trying to talk in a way so as to take a stand but also give himself wiggle room. In other words, he’s an amateur politician.
 
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I hope Vivek can get the issues talked about.

I’m Tired of 2020 and 6 Jan chatter …

Likely Cabinet Nominee

The personal use Cocaine in the White House serves as yet another shiny ball deflection. And stops deeper conversations on relevant issues …. There can be no progress with no agreement on the facts.
 
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I think he’s piggybacking on some of Desantis’ anti woke slash compromised agencies rhetoric. Dumping agencies has obviously been done but it ain’t easy and requires congress
Could be the other way around. DeSantis might have read one or both of his Woke Inc. books.

Would congress need to get involved to shut down an agency of the executive branch?
 
Could be the other way around. DeSantis might have read one or both of his Woke Inc. books.

Would congress need to get involved to shut down an agency of the executive branch?
Yes. There’s limited presidential reorganization authority but ultimately congress is required
 
One thing I noticed is that he repeatedly promises to do X, but that it could only be temporary and he would stop doing X later. For example, he wants to "temporarily" end birthright citizenship. Can't remember other specific examples, but he did it repeatedly to the point that it seemed he was hedging on just about everything.

Then he wants to overhaul education, but somehow thinks he can do that by abolishing the Department of Education. Huh? How you going to overhaul it nationally without a Department of Education? Just let each state decide how to do it? Yeah, that will work well.

He also wants to abolish the IRS and the FBI, replacing the FBI with, essentially, a new FBI.
Considering he is a conservative, none of those policy decisions are out of the norm. The goal is for a smaller federal government. I don’t have an opinion on birthright citizenship. I would like hear more about the FBI, which is the one policy I might disagree with.

I’m down for getting rid of the IRS and I’ve worked in Education for 2 decades and can attest there is zero need for a Department of Education. Turn it over to the states and allow districts/teachers make decisions. The biggest waste in tax dollars are administrative costs.
 
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This is probably why he won't win: he does hour-long interviews. That kind of transparency leads to more opportunity to screw up and have people take you out of context and find things to attack you on. I don't think many voters value the willingness to put yourself out there like that or penalize those who don't.
It’s why I laugh about the quality candidates matter bullsh#t. The two candidates are going to be a brain dead 80 year old and an 80 year old a#%hole. Cut the federal government in half and be done with them.
 
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Talked to a young kid that went to Forrest Park High School in Indiana. They had litter boxes for these furries in a small town school.

It's everywhere because social media permeates everything and this stuff flies around.
Isn’t Forrest Park a catholic school?
 
Maybe it is serious. Maybe that culture shit is a pressing issue. I can’t stand the woke crap or the culture wars but I’m with you in that I never considered it a serious topic. Maybe you and I are wrong. And it is the topic people care about. It certainly dominates this board
It’s part of the game at this point and no candidate that’s serious about winning can ignore it. Debating as to why that is will be an endless rabbit hole. It’s silly to pretend either side is not guilty in some way or another.

The sad part is it should be mostly irrelevant when it come to the issues facing our country and government.

Now for my opinion of course; the left wants the woke discussion to go away desperately, but meanwhile a she/her has their tits out on the White House lawn and secret service found a blow sack in the situation room. LMAO. Also, Europe is starting to pause gender affirming care on minors because it’s abhorrent, meanwhile the US is full steam ahead. Not LMAO.

Step 1. Biden and Trump need end the old man goon show and retire.
 
The 20 year old kid seems to have a recent experience.

Goat. You're just a stupid mother fvcker.
You are seriously this f’I g stupid too? You actually think the litter box story is true? Good Lord.

If you and Joe H. played a game of checkers the winner would be the first one to yell Yahtzee!
 
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You are seriously this f’I g stupid too? You actually think the litter box story is true? Good Lord.

If you and Joe H. played a game of checkers the winner would be the first one to yell Yahtzee!
1st, I couldn't even spell Yathzee

2nd, Hitler said the cattle cars where simply a cost effect method of transportation to a life changing experience. (Dims just keep trying to sneak little things in, one at a time).
 
Please use a neutral Search engine, not a neutered search engine. Jeez man!
Google does tailor it's searches by user, so someone frequently googling conservative ideas will more likely get conservative sites, ditto for liberals getting liberal. I don't like that and try to balance my Google queries.
 
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Just one thing: the "party" does not equate to "the conservatives." It could, but it is not necessary and, I think most of the party is not conservative anymore in the meaningful sense that word has been used for the last 100-200 years.
"We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people."

Was that a conservative party?

"The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees."

How about that?

"We also propose:

........

Legislation to enable closer Federal scrutiny of mergers which have a significant or potential monopolistic connotations;

Procedural changes in the antitrust laws to facilitate their enforcement;"

The economic bent of the MAGA movement is a return to the 1950's GOP (although I don't think Trump was all on board with that either as he spent like a drunken Sailor too) "Well that means racism!!!" No it doesn't, the GOP were staunchly behind the Civil Rights movement. It is in their plank:


On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."​

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. (IUCrazy insert: that would be a fun one to debate) In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."​

What did they mean by that last part?

Restoration of integrity in government has been an essential element to the achievement of our unparalleled good times. We will faithfully preserve the sound financial management which already has reduced annual spending $14 billion below the budgets planned by our Democratic predecessors and made possible in 1954 a $7.4-billion tax cut, the largest one-year tax reduction in history.​

We will ever fight the demoralizing influence of inflation as a national way of life. We are proud to have fulfilled our 1952 pledge to halt the skyrocketing cost of living that in the previous 13 years had cut the value of the dollar by half, and robbed millions of the full value of their wages, savings, insurance, pensions and social security.​

We have balanced the budget. We believe and will continue to prove that thrift, prudence and a sensible respect for living within income applies as surely to the management of our Government's budget as it does to the family budget.​


The cultural divide is the massive divide. That is why it gets the attention. It has been a 60 year project to break down the norms of our society and replace them with new norms. You remove men with fake tits on the White House lawn being celebrated as "our best" and the rest of this stuff mainly breaks down to how far and how do we pay for it.
 
Maybe it is serious. Maybe that culture shit is a pressing issue. I can’t stand the woke crap or the culture wars but I’m with you in that I never considered it a serious topic. Maybe you and I are wrong. And it is the topic people care about. It certainly dominates this board
Maybe? I take it you don't have any young kids.
 
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Google does tailor it's searches by user, so someone frequently googling conservative ideas will more likely get conservative sites, ditto for liberals getting liberal. I don't like that and try to balance my Google queries.
Google also tailors its results by what the operators want you to see.
 
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Maybe it is serious. Maybe that culture shit is a pressing issue. I can’t stand the woke crap or the culture wars but I’m with you in that I never considered it a serious topic. Maybe you and I are wrong. And it is the topic people care about. It certainly dominates this board
Culture drives politics, not vice versa. The Democrats are now at the forefront of using culture as a political cudgel. (The RR is a distant memory). The GOP responds by saying “Florida is where woke comes to die”. I don’t like that message, but it has traction. I think this crap is the fruit of our disgraceful education system. We now have second and third generations of microagressions, safe spaces, hair-trigger emotions, and cancel culture.

“Transgender Americans shape our Nation’s soul —“—President Joe Biden

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Google is paid by companies so that when you search a word, their company will come up first or near the top.

One of my best friends works in that field.
That too. All those bought and paid for responses are ruining Google’s usefulness.
 
Google also tailors its results by what the operators want you to see.
Google is pretty open about how they do things.


So it appears backlinks are the biggest issue facing conservative sites. The information is out there, conservative sites could choose to source their material back to other sites. It is like here, someone here can make any claim and that's fine. Some people then backup the claim with a backlink to an article elsewhere which is designed to add credibility. I didn't just say that disposable income is up in a thread, I took it from the fed and linked it. In Google's world that increases my score. Conservative sites are just less likely to do that.
 
Google is pretty open about how they do things.


So it appears backlinks are the biggest issue facing conservative sites. The information is out there, conservative sites could choose to source their material back to other sites. It is like here, someone here can make any claim and that's fine. Some people then backup the claim with a backlink to an article elsewhere which is designed to add credibility. I didn't just say that disposable income is up in a thread, I took it from the fed and linked it. In Google's world that increases my score. Conservative sites are just less likely to do that.
Grin. Did you Google “is Google biased?” To find that link?

I have bookmarked a 2or3 year old link about the uselessness of wind and solar energy. You can Google your butt off and won’t find it without the exact title.
 
You're all over the map. One day it's Robert Kennedy Jr. Then it's Vivek is the most "presidential".

Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue.
Is this a Robert Kennedy hype post? If yes, please move it to the Robert Kennedy hype thread. He’s a great man.

I’d actually prefer Desantis versus Kennedy, but will be fine with any candidates if they aren’t Trump and Biden. I think Vivek is most intelligent, but Desantis has the experience advantage of being a great Governor.
 
Is this a Robert Kennedy hype post? If yes, please move it to the Robert Kennedy hype thread. He’s a great man.

I’d actually prefer Desantis versus Kennedy, but will be fine with any candidates if they aren’t Trump and Biden. I think Vivek is most intelligent, but Desantis has the experience advantage of being a great Governor.
Nope. You know better than that. It's a calling out of you for hyping multiple candidates.

No consideration of Kemp? Or maybe for VP? I mention this because the local NPR station was pumping him or both spots . . . .
 
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