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A guy who isn’t going to start isn’t going to be “our” best player. And you’re not an IU fan so cut it with the we crap.
I guess we’ll see. Keep your delusional expectations for kids who’ve never played a game for a few more months.
 
Yes, because he’s scouted by the opponent as a non-threat beyond the arc. When he’s there, the defense isn’t forced to step out, enabling them to sag and take away the lane, among other things. A basic understanding of the game clearly eludes you.

I was told by many (likely one of your other accounts) that Romeo was a non-factor to shoot therefore teams sagged off to prevent dribble-drive.

Any way you slice it, a guy shooting 27% on 120+ attempts is less efficient, less effective than a guy who shoots 22% on 32 shots.
 
I was told by many (likely one of your other accounts) that Romeo was a non-factor to shoot therefore teams sagged off to prevent dribble-drive.

Any way you slice it, a guy shooting 27% on 120+ attempts is less efficient, less effective than a guy who shoots 22% on 32 shots.
Again, you only follow the ball rather than having a broader understanding of the game, which is why you have so much trouble formulating an intelligent argument. Had you played or even watched much, these concepts wouldn’t be so difficult for you.
 
You think Smith is going to play on the perimeter??? I thought he couldn’t shoot? There’s a reason why Smith came off the bench to end the year.
Have you not been watching? And, once again, you’re changing the argument because you couldn’t make an intelligent point.
 
Have you not been watching? And, once again, you’re changing the argument because you couldn’t make an intelligent point.

Where is Smith starting then? I answered your question. You’re talking in circles. Justin Smith will not start next year and it’s because Phinisee will be the PG, Green the SG, Hunter the 3 of healthy (if not a 3 guard lineup with Durham), TJD at 4 and Davis at 5. There’s a reason Davis started at the 5 the last third of the year and it’s because Juwan Morgan wasn’t a 5 and Smith no longer had to start at the 4 out of necessity. Really isn’t that hard if you watched IU at all last year.
 
Where is Smith starting then? I answered your question. You’re talking in circles. Justin Smith will not start next year and it’s because Phinisee will be the PG, Green the SG, Hunter the 3 of healthy (if not a 3 guard lineup with Durham), TJD at 4 and Davis at 5. There’s a reason Davis started at the 5 the last third of the year and it’s because Juwan Morgan wasn’t a 5 and Smith no longer had to start at the 4 out of necessity. Really isn’t that hard if you watched IU at all last year.
The guy who hasn’t played in two years and who hasn’t been cleared medically to play is suddenly a starter? You need to follow the program if you’re going to comment.
 
The guy who hasn’t played in two years and who hasn’t been cleared medically to play is suddenly a starter? You need to follow the program if you’re going to comment.

Dumbass, did you read the part where I said they go to a 3 guard lineup with Phin, Green, Durham if Hunter is unable to go? You think they start Davis, TJD, and Smith altogether? 3 guys who can’t shoot outside 10 feet? No wonder why nobody takes you seriously.
 
Dumbass, did you read the part where I said they go to a 3 guard lineup with Phin, Green, Durham if Hunter is unable to go? You think they start Davis, TJD, and Smith altogether? 3 guys who can’t shoot outside 10 feet? No wonder why nobody takes you seriously.
You think Davis starts? You really need to follow the team, even a little, if you want to comment. And Smith will be in the rotation regardless. Your lack of understanding regarding offensive basketball is mind numbing.
 
You think Davis starts? You really need to follow the team, even a little, if you want to comment. And Smith will be in the rotation regardless. Your lack of understanding regarding offensive basketball is mind numbing.

There’s a spin, “Smith will be in the rotation regardless”, did anyone ever say he wouldn’t be? Davis is a 60% scorer from the field the last 2 years. Why do you think Davis started at the end of the year when he became healthy and Smith went to the bench? Davis is the most efficient offensive player IU has returning you jagoff.
 
There’s a spin, Smith will be in the rotation regardless, did anyone ever say he wouldn’t be? Davis is a career 60% shooter. Why do you think Davis started at the end of the year when he became healthy and Smith went to the bench? Davis is the most efficient offensive player IU has returning you jagoff.
His conditioning and penchant for injuries is well known, which is why any reliance on him as a starter is misplaced, at best. Keep moving the bar . . . you’ll eventually get closer to something within a zip code or two of intelligence. But you’ve got miles and miles to go.
 
His conditioning and penchant for injuries is well known, which is why any reliance on him as a starter is misplaced, at best. Keep moving the bar . . . you’ll eventually get closer to something within a zip code or two of intelligence. But you’ve got miles and miles to go.

What does that have to do with starting? You asked who is going to start? Davis, not Smith, is going to start until he gets hurt or can’t play. And you know who is going to replace Davis in the lineup when he comes out/gets hurt? Joey Brunk.
 
What does that have to do with starting? You asked who is going to start? Davis, not Smith, is going to start until he gets hurt or can’t play. And you know who is going to replace Davis in the lineup when he comes out/gets hurt? Joey Brunk.
You’re twisting yourself in a knot in search of relevance, all because you were forced to admit you don’t know anything about basketball. Not understanding the offensive issue with Smith sealed it. Please stop digging. You just look dumber.
 
You’re twisting yourself in a knot in search of relevance, all because you were forced to admit you don’t know anything about basketball. Not understanding the offensive issue with Smith sealed it. Please stop digging. You just look dumber.

Says the guy who has provided ZERO relevant basketball discussion on any thread you’ve ever commented in. That includes your Ordfan days.
 
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What does that have to do with starting? You asked who is going to start? Davis, not Smith, is going to start until he gets hurt or can’t play. And you know who is going to replace Davis in the lineup when he comes out/gets hurt? Joey Brunk.

Smith started the last 8 games of the season when Davis was healthy. Maybe you should have contacted Archie, in March, and told him to start Davis.
 
Says the guy who has provided ZERO relevant basketball discussion on any thread you’ve ever commented in. That includes your Ordfan days.
A predictable dodge when you’re totally defeated. Tell us another story about how Knight didn’t utilize the three pointer! Love that tale.
 
Coach K and Pitino/Tubby realized that shooting 33% from the 3 point line was the same thing as shooting 50% from inside the arc. Why do you think 3 point attempts have skyrocketed in recent years? Because analytics have shown over time that shooting 3 pointers is a higher probability/higher reward shot than most 2 point attempts. I'm not just making this stuff up???

Shooting 33% from 3 is not the same thing as shooting 50% from 2. Missing 2 shots should be looked at as giving up 2 possessions. Take into account the scoring at the other end, the decrease in free throw shooting, the long boards generating breaks. All of that counts.

Take good shots. Period. And make them, or don't shoot.
 
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A guy shooting 27% on 4+ attempts a game disrupts the offensive flow more than a guy who shoots 21% on less than a shot a game. Be better.
No because they guarded Romeo on the perimeter. Opposing teams did not guard Smith, allowing Smith's man to sag back in the lane to prevent drives or double team Morgan inside. Not guarding Smith meant IU was playing 4 against 5.
 
I have. Calbert Cheaney, Damon Bailey, and Brian Evans were all prolific 3 point shooters. They each averaged less than 4 3PA/game for their career and Bailey and Cheaney were less than 3/game. Don’t tell me he utilized the 3 point line to their strengths, especially Bailey and Evans. Guyton’s senior year, IU was 313th out 322 teams in 3pt attempts. And that’s a team with Guyton, Lewis, and Haston. Haston shot TWO three pointers his first two seasons. Total. TWO. Knight gets fired and Haston becomes almost a 40% 3 point shooter on over 70 attempts and was all-B10. Knight didn’t utilize the 3 point line because he absolutely hated it. He’s on record numerous times advocating his disdain for the 3 point line. His recruiting was fine his last 5-6 years. Guyton, Recker, Patterson, Haston, Collier etc were all big time recruits. But his behavior was awful and his unwillingness to adapt to the game of college basketball did him in and you can tell by where the program was headed.

Holy moly. Foster, Hermon, Hart, Mandeville, Rawles, Moore, Hobson, Reed... do you want me to go on? Recker and Collier both transferred causing big problems in the roster.
 
You’re wrong on this one. IU probably wouldn’t have won the 1987 championship if Knight didn’t utilize his 3 point shooters. Alford was 7 for 10 in the final.

Knight was on record as not in favor of the 3 point rule, but he also said he had the best 3 point shooters in the country. He used them big time.

No kidding. People should go back and watch the first 10 minutes of the 1993 final home game vs Michigan State. IU's three point shooters just toyed with the Spartans.
 
That’s also a fourth of his attempts. Shooting 24 three’s in a 30+ game season is not disrupting the flow of the offense. You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill because you don’t like his attitude and need something to nitpick.

That isn't how basketball is played. At least not real basketball. You don't get to shoot when you want to. You play within the offense and you learn what your role is.
 
We lost by far the two best players. Of the guys returning Smith BY FAR led the team in rebounding, and is 3rd in points at 8.2 ppg vs Durham at 8.3 and Green at 9.4.

Smith is likely the favorite to be our best player. That’s how bad this roster is.

No, I think that is not at all true.
 
His conditioning and penchant for injuries is well known, which is why any reliance on him as a starter is misplaced, at best. Keep moving the bar . . . you’ll eventually get closer to something within a zip code or two of intelligence. But you’ve got miles and miles to go.
If Davis doesnt start at the 5, then Brunk or Race will. TJD and Race at the 4. Green at the 2, Phinisee at the PG. Hunter or Race at the 3, Smith in the rotation at the 3 off the bench most likely, unless he makes ground breaking strides offensively. Franklin and Durham could also start as a 3 guard lineup awith TJD and either DeRon or Brunk.
 
You’re twisting yourself in a knot in search of relevance, all because you were forced to admit you don’t know anything about basketball. Not understanding the offensive issue with Smith sealed it. Please stop digging. You just look dumber.
You should gracefully exit this thread....you are embarrassing yourself at this point.
 
You should gracefully exit this thread....you are embarrassing yourself at this point.
Says the poster who got busted for lying about growing up around IU basketball. You get the breakfast dishes washed already? Probably something for you to do besides bothering people, don’t you think?
 
Eventually it will lead to the NCAA Tournament? That should be the bare minimum. Coaches get fired each year for only making the tournament.

And I’d argue this is the worst roster we’ve had in 8-9 years.
And you would be wrong. Your pudding has cooled enough to consume, so please leave.
 
Says the poster who got busted for lying about growing up around IU basketball. You get the breakfast dishes washed already? Probably something for you to do besides bothering people, don’t you think?
Wtf are you talking about? Are you so insecure that you have to make random crap up? Pathetic
 
To be fair he attempted 32 3's last year, less than 1 a game. In this day in age of basketball where analytics reign supreme, it isn't that big of the deal. If a guy is going to give you a wide open three, shooting one a game isn't going to kill your teams momentum. A 3 is worth more than 2 and a wide open 3 even from a 20% shooter is a high percentage/higher value shot than a contested 2 pointer. I have no qualms with Smith taking the occasional uncontested three.


I'm going to take a closer look at your Coach K-Bobby Knight comparisons a little later, but I saw a couple of stats from the 1991 & 1992 Duke NC team stats that were interesting concerning your comments about Smith.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember Grant Hill from Duke. One of the greatest CB players ever, obviously. He was a true freshman on the 1991 NC team, but he still had 308 2 pt shot attempts that year. You know how many 3 pt shots he took? 2. In '92 he had 1. In '93 he had 14. in '94 he had 100. Sound anything like Haston at IU? And he was a pretty good 3 pt shooter % wise in college--.376.

From some reason Coach K did have qualms about Hill shooting 3 pointers his first 3 years. Until I read your posts, I thought he was a pretty good coach. Now I realize was a dumbf*** he really was.
 
I have. Calbert Cheaney, Damon Bailey, and Brian Evans were all prolific 3 point shooters. They each averaged less than 4 3PA/game for their career and Bailey and Cheaney were less than 3/game. Don’t tell me he utilized the 3 point line to their strengths, especially Bailey and Evans. Guyton’s senior year, IU was 313th out 322 teams in 3pt attempts. And that’s a team with Guyton, Lewis, and Haston. Haston shot TWO three pointers his first two seasons. Total. TWO. Knight gets fired and Haston becomes almost a 40% 3 point shooter on over 70 attempts and was all-B10. Knight didn’t utilize the 3 point line because he absolutely hated it. He’s on record numerous times advocating his disdain for the 3 point line. His recruiting was fine his last 5-6 years. Guyton, Recker, Patterson, Haston, Collier etc were all big time recruits. But his behavior was awful and his unwillingness to adapt to the game of college basketball did him in and you can tell by where the program was headed.


So.................I'm looking at the stats from Duke's 2002 NC team. I'm sure you remember Christian Laettner. He shot 55.7% on his 3s that year....and a little over 60% on his 2s. Yet he only took 2.8 3 pt shots per game. Obviously he should have been shooting at least 10, maybe 20, per game. Another dumbf*** move by that crappy coach.
 
I'm going to take a closer look at your Coach K-Bobby Knight comparisons a little later, but I saw a couple of stats from the 1991 & 1992 Duke NC team stats that were interesting concerning your comments about Smith.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember Grant Hill from Duke. One of the greatest CB players ever, obviously. He was a true freshman on the 1991 NC team, but he still had 308 2 pt shot attempts that year. You know how many 3 pt shots he took? 2. In '92 he had 1. In '93 he had 14. in '94 he had 100. Sound anything like Haston at IU? And he was a pretty good 3 pt shooter % wise in college--.376.

From some reason Coach K did have qualms about Hill shooting 3 pointers his first 3 years. Until I read your posts, I thought he was a pretty good coach. Now I realize was a dumbf*** he really was.

Was a freshman during the 91-92 season and missed my flight to Minneapolis. Remember those years well.

When analyzing Duke and UK during the 90s and through the early 2000s, I challenge you to look at not only their 3pt% but the number of 3 pointers they attempted. You'll notice that just about every Duke and UK team in that time frame not only made 3's at a very high rate but also shot 3's at an extremely high rate, in other words they utilizied the 3 point line to the strength of their shooters.

At the same time when analyzing IU during the same period you'll notice that IU made 3 pointers at a very high rate but you'll soon to start to realize IU attempted 3 pointers at a very moderate to low rate. In other words, they had a bunch of good shooters as evidence to their % of made 3's, they simply didn't shoot, or in other words utilize the three point line to the strength of their shooters. There's a reason why Duke and UK won multiple titles in that time frame and why IU didn't.
 
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