Perea was a better FT shooter than Smith.
10X the skills, ha ha, not even close. Try even less skilled in certain key areas.
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10X the skills, ha ha, not even close. Try even less skilled in certain key areas.
Not to mention it decreases trips to the free throw line and makes it easier to guard Morgan inside and also creates fast break transition baskets for the other team.
Smith hit .219 of his 3s, which is equivalent to shooting 33% on 2s.....so yes, he shot 32 too many.
And you're wrong about Knight's IU teams. He used the 3 pt shot quite effectively, even though he didn't like it. Ask Ted Kitchel, Randy Wittman, and Steve Alford.
Would score more points in a game than only attempting 2's. Why do you think teams guard the 3 point line so heavily these days?
What did Smith shoot from 3pt. 20% ?
10 3pt shots = 6 pts
10 2pt shots to equal 6pts = 3 shots made.
If you shoot 30% FG for the game you will lose in the B1G.
Because the players standing out there on most teams can make them?
Why don't opposing teams guard Smith at the 3pt line? Because he can not make them and they are daring Smith to shoot and are internally laughing at for him to shoot a 3pt brick that could lead to a long rebound and fast break dunk for the opposing team.
Those are individual players on individual teams. No one is saying IU players didn't shoot or make 3 pointers under Knight. He didn't revolve an offense around the 3 point line. This isn't hard people. Knight teams were always in the bottom half if not towards the very bottom of number of 3 point attempts in a season. Look at the best college programs of the 90s and into the early 2000s when the 3 point line became more and more prevalent? Duke and UK. Those teams were always in the top 50 if not in the top 20 and in some years #1 in 3 pointers attempted a year. Coach K and Pitino/Tubby realized that shooting 33% from the 3 point line was the same thing as shooting 50% from inside the arc. Why do you think 3 point attempts have skyrocketed in recent years? Because analytics have shown over time that shooting 3 pointers is a higher probability/higher reward shot than most 2 point attempts. I'm not just making this stuff up???
So Smith missed basically 80% of his 3pt shots and people say he should shoot them.
That is ridiculous and loses games.
When you knowingly shoot a very low % shot for you, that is Low IQ Basketball.
Putting your own pride and ego over team success is being arrogant, and having an over inflated, non-realistic view of your own abilities.
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I was there, which is why I understand that your comment about Knight not utilizing the three point shot in his offense was entirely ignorant. Anyone who followed IU then would agree, as would Ted Kitchel, Randy Wittman, Steve Alford, Calvert Cheaney and a number of other Knight coaches Hoosiers.
Clearly he didn’t utilize the three point line to the strength of his shooters as evidence of IU always finishing in the bottom half or lower third of 3 point attempts in a given year.
Knight did quite well in the 3 point era until he decided he didn't want to recruit any more. Check out our stats from 1987 through 1995 or so.....
I have. Calbert Cheaney, Damon Bailey, and Brian Evans were all prolific 3 point shooters. They each averaged less than 4 3PA/game for their career and Bailey and Cheaney were less than 3/game. Don’t tell me he utilized the 3 point line to their strengths, especially Bailey and Evans. Guyton’s senior year, IU was 313th out 322 teams in 3pt attempts. And that’s a team with Guyton, Lewis, and Haston. Haston shot TWO three pointers his first two seasons. Total. TWO. Knight gets fired and Haston becomes almost a 40% 3 point shooter on over 70 attempts and was all-B10. Knight didn’t utilize the 3 point line because he absolutely hated it. He’s on record numerous times advocating his disdain for the 3 point line. His recruiting was fine his last 5-6 years. Guyton, Recker, Patterson, Haston, Collier etc were all big time recruits. But his behavior was awful and his unwillingness to adapt to the game of college basketball did him in and you can tell by where the program was headed.
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It’s quite obvious you were never “there” based on your belief that Knight didn’t utilize the three point shot. You removed yourself from an serious discussion on the matter when you made that statement.
Saying he didn’t like it and saying he didn’t utilize it are entirely different. You’ve shown your ignorance. No need to be repetitive.
Show me how consistently ranking near or at the bottom in the country in 3 point attempts is anything but using the 3pt line to your strength? Especially given the prolific shooters to go through IU? It’s the complete opposite. Spin that.
You’re wrong on this one. IU probably wouldn’t have won the 1987 championship if Knight didn’t utilize his 3 point shooters. Alford was 7 for 10 in the final.
Knight was on record as not in favor of the 3 point rule, but he also said he had the best 3 point shooters in the country. He used them big time.
@PranksterMary: You misdirected your response while quoting me. No worries.
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Calbert.
If this was a simple typo, 'cuz v and b are adjacent, never mind.
Your response:
"It’s quite obvious you were never “there” based on your belief that Knight didn’t utilize the three point shot. You removed yourself from an serious discussion on the matter when you made that statement."
Squonk too said: ↑
Calbert.
If this was a simple typo, 'cuz v and b are adjacent, never mind.
Your response:
"It’s quite obvious you were never “there” based on your belief that Knight didn’t utilize the three point shot. You removed yourself from an serious discussion on the matter when you made that statement."
That’s my entire point. He consistently had the best shooters in the country yet IU consistently ranked in the bottom half to the bottom third year in and year out in number of 3 pointers attempted. The numbers don’t lie. I’ve never said IU was a bad 3pt shooting team under Knight, in fact they always ranked near the top in 3pt%, they just didn’t take near enough attempts considering the array of shooters they had.
If Steph Curry shot 50% from 3 we’d all agree he’s one of the best 3 point shooters out there. If you found out Steph Curry was shooting 50% on only 4 attempts, you’d call it a coaching malpractice.
Sounds like you are describing Romeo last year.
Where is the disgust for him taking not just 32 bad shots, but a team leading?
Alas my beef with Romeo fans. I have no issues bitching about effort, poor play, bad decisions etc about anyone...but when someone ignores those things on a player they love and doubles down on a player they hate...it's disingenuous to your argument.
Smith has a bad hitch at the top of his shot that someone on this staff needs to fix. Would be nice if he shot more out vs up too (Watch Cheaney, he had a high release but it was one motion squared and going forward...and he wasn't much of a three point shooter).
If Smith can't keep defenses honest then it hinders our offensive flow. Knight would of had a field day. Izzo tried but got burnt by it (remember Smith's 24 some game in the win vs MSU at home? Did Hanner score 24 points in total?).
Eventually it will lead to the NCAA Tournament? That should be the bare minimum. Coaches get fired each year for only making the tournament.
And I’d argue this is the worst roster we’ve had in 8-9 years.
It’s also disingenuous when you actually break down his shot selection by game. Smith only attempted more than 1 three pointer in a game 8 times and didn’t attempt a single 3 pointer in 18 games. He went 3-6 against MSU and really the reason why we won the game. I can’t pinpoint a time where a Justin Smith 3 pointer disrupted the flow of our offense. I don’t ever recall Smith taking a 3 in transition. Never recall him taking a contested or forced 3 early in the shot clock. I guess I can live with Justin Smith missing an uncontested 3 every once in a while.
Anyone who followed the program then knows Knight utilized the three point shot quite effectively. You’re admitting your back ignorance with every assertion to the contrary.
If you remove the two MSU games what did Smith shoot from 3pt range? 10% ? I was waiting for Smith to bank in a 3 from the top of the key. It was his day against Izzo who did not guard Smith on the perimeter.
That’s also a fourth of his attempts. Shooting 24 three’s in a 30+ game season is not disrupting the flow of the offense. You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill because you don’t like his attitude and need something to nitpick.
Wow. That would be an alternate reality or an All-Time biggest single season improvement in IU history.
If he plays that well then IU will be very good.
I view Smith as a non-starting role player with the entire roster healthy. I expect less from Smith than last season based on his expected reduced minutes on a deeper roster of healthy players. I hope Smith makes a massive single season improvement. I want all IU players to improve. I want IU to win.
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Again, you lack a basic understanding of the game when all you can comprehend is shot attempts as it relates to the overall offensive flow. It’s what he can’t do and how the defense reacts to that. You obviously never played.
A guy shooting 27% on 4+ attempts a game disrupts the offensive flow more than a guy who shoots 21% on less than a shot a game. Be better.
We lost by far the two best players. Of the guys returning Smith BY FAR led the team in rebounding, and is 3rd in points at 8.2 ppg vs Durham at 8.3 and Green at 9.4.
Smith is likely the favorite to be our best player. That’s how bad this roster is.
Yes, because he’s scouted by the opponent as a non-threat beyond the arc. When he’s there, the defense isn’t forced to step out, enabling them to sag and take away the lane, among other things. A basic understanding of the game clearly eludes you.
He doesn’t even have to improve to start and be one of our best players. What are you talking about?
A guy who isn’t going to start isn’t going to be “our” best player. And you’re not an IU fan so cut it with the we crap.
How do you know he isn’t going to start? This only makes your contributions in other threads even more laughable.
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