Very good 2019-20 preview of BT rosters at

[ufo33]

Green pressed too much his sophomore year and early last year. He wasn't a starter and tried to do too much to prove that he should be starting. He played way too much PG out of necessity his first two years under Archie. He looked very comfortable off the ball last year down the stretch. Going into this year Green has to know that he is IU's lead guard. He doesn't need to look over his shoulder and think that if he makes a bad play or doesn't produce that he's coming out. It's all about confidence with him. He has the tools and skill to be a very good guard next year.

I have confidence in Green at the 2 guard after the end of last season and postseason. Green needs to focus on catch and shoot and scoring and leave the most of the playmaking to Phinisee to make smart basketball decisions with the ball in his hands. That should reduce Green's unforced turnovers by trying to do too much by himself.
I have no confidence in Smith ever being a consistent perimeter shooter. Smith needs to focus on improving his FT % drastically so that teams can not just foul him as he goes up for dunks, finishes at the rim, or shots in the paint. And Smith needs to focus on rebounding, put backs, dunks, defense, and blocked shots. Don't force a square peg in a round hole and ask Smith to be a perimeter shooter when he clearly does not possess that skill. Smith needs to focus on what he can realistically do right now to be effective and help the team win. Smith has a similar skillset as Alex Gilbert who played with Larry Bird at Indiana State. Gilbert could not shoot but was very effective in his role as a leaper who played bigger than his height, kept the ball alive, rebounded, blocked shots, dunked, and did not force up perimeter shots that he could not make, but accepted his role and helped his team get to the National Championship game.

 

[IndyResident16]

I have confidence in Green at the 2 guard after the end of last season and postseason. Green needs to focus on catch and shoot and scoring and leave the most of the playmaking to Phinisee to make smart basketball decisions with the ball in his hands. That should reduce Green's unforced turnovers by trying to do too much by himself.
I have no confidence in Smith ever being a consistent perimeter shooter. Smith needs to focus on improving his FT % drastically so that teams can not just foul him as he goes up for dunks, finishes at the rim, or shots in the paint. And Smith needs to focus on rebounding, put backs, defense, and blocked shots. Don't force a square peg in a round hole and ask Smith to be a perimeter shooter when he does not possess that skill. Smith needs to focus on what he can realistically do right now to be effective and help the team win.

I don't think Smith has ever been billed as a perimeter shooter nor do I think he's ever tried to establish himself as one. Needs to become a slasher/baseline cutter who can finish through contact at the rim.

 

[ufo33]

I don't think Smith has ever been billed as a perimeter shooter nor do I think he's ever tried to establish himself as one. Needs to become a slasher/baseline cutter who can finish through contact at the rim.

Smith took and missed 3s last season when he set screens at the 3pt line and got the ball back and teams did not respect his shooting and did not guard Smith at all at the 3pt line so as he was left wide open and dared to shoot, Smith obliged and fired up bricks which were essentially a turnover to the opposing team. Smith needs to recognize that a 3pt shot is not in his offensive arsenal, and is not a good high % shot for him or the team, and he should pass the ball to someone else immediately and head to the rim for rebounds and put backs.

 

[IndyResident16]

Smith took and missed 3s last season when he set screens at the 3pt line and got the ball back and teams did not respect his shooting and did not guard Smith at all at the 3pt line so as he was left wide open and dared to shoot, Smith obliged and fired up bricks which were essentially a turnover tobthe opposing team. Smith needs to recognize that a 3pt shot is not in his offensive arsenal, and not a good high % shot for him or the team, and hee should pass the ball to someone else and head to the rim for rebounds and put backs.

To be fair he attempted 32 3's last year, less than 1 a game. In this day in age of basketball where analytics reign supreme, it isn't that big of the deal. If a guy is going to give you a wide open three, shooting one a game isn't going to kill your teams momentum. A 3 is worth more than 2 and a wide open 3 even from a 20% shooter is a high percentage/higher value shot than a contested 2 pointer. I have no qualms with Smith taking the occasional uncontested three.

 

[TR32]

To be fair he attempted 32 3's last year, less than 1 a game. In this day in age of basketball where analytics reign supreme, it isn't that big of the deal. If a guy is going to give you a wide open three, shooting one a game isn't going to kill your teams momentum. A 3 is worth more than 2 and a wide open 3 even from a 20% shooter is a high percentage/higher value shot than a contested 2 pointer. I have no qualms with Smith taking the occasional uncontested three.

Wow. All I can say is that you probably wouldn't last long on a Bob Knight staff.

 

[TR32]

I have confidence in Green at the 2 guard after the end of last season and postseason. Green needs to focus on catch and shoot and scoring and leave the most of the playmaking to Phinisee to make smart basketball decisions with the ball in his hands. That should reduce Green's unforced turnovers by trying to do too much by himself.
I have no confidence in Smith ever being a consistent perimeter shooter. Smith needs to focus on improving his FT % drastically so that teams can not just foul him as he goes up for dunks, finishes at the rim, or shots in the paint. And Smith needs to focus on rebounding, put backs, dunks, defense, and blocked shots. Don't force a square peg in a round hole and ask Smith to be a perimeter shooter when he does not possess that skill. Smith needs to focus on what he can realistically do right now to be effective and help the team win. Smith has a similar skillset as Alex Gilbert who played with Larry Bird at Indiana State. Gilbert could not shoot but was very effective in his role as a leaper who played bigger than his height, kept the ball alive, rebounded, blocked shots, dunked, and did not force up perimeter shots that he could not make, but accepted his role and helped his team get to the National Championship game.

I am hoping Green went to "teardropper's camp" this summer. He shoots at least 2 of those per game.

 

[Squonk too]

To be fair he attempted 32 3's last year, less than 1 a game. In this day in age of basketball where analytics reign supreme, it isn't that big of the deal. If a guy is going to give you a wide open three, shooting one a game isn't going to kill your teams momentum. A 3 is worth more than 2 and a wide open 3 even from a 20% shooter is a high percentage/higher value shot than a contested 2 pointer. I have no qualms with Smith taking the occasional uncontested three.

I do. A missed open three is definitely worth less than a two-point shot made by Smith or someone else. He should do anything else but shoot it. There ought to be set plays for whenever he finds himself with a ball outside the arc.

 

[IndyResident16]

Wow. All I can say is that you probably wouldn't last long on a Bob Knight staff.

The three point line is as prevalent as ever these days. I have no problem with Justin Smith shooting an uncontested 3. He doesn't shoot a high volume, taking an uncontested three isn't the end of the world. Part of Bob Knight's down fall was not revolving his game around the 3 point line.

 

[IndyResident16]

I do. A missed open three is definitely worth less than a two-point shot made by Smith or someone else. He should do anything else but shoot it. There ought to be set plays for whenever he finds himself with a ball outside the arc.

That's assuming you hit 2 pointers at a 100% clip (hint, nobody does). There are multiple studies and analysis done over the subject.

 

[ufo33]

The three point line is as prevalent as ever these days. I have no problem with Justin Smith shooting an uncontested 3. He doesn't shoot a high volume, taking an uncontested three isn't the end of the world. Part of Bob Knight's down fall was not revolving his game around the 3 point line.

Smith should take zero 3pt shots period.
You can not just accept him knowingly shoot unguarded bricks and accept that??? I completely and totally disagree. On a team without explosive scoring ability IU needs to value every posession as if it could win or lose every game. Play Bo Ryan low scoring grinder games and have high % FT shooters in the game at the end of the game to help win close games. A poor perimeter shooter might as well just hand the other team the ball as to fire up a low % 3pt brick and risk an offensive foul going for the expected rebound.

 

[TR32]

The three point line is as prevalent as ever these days. I have no problem with Justin Smith shooting an uncontested 3. He doesn't shoot a high volume, taking an uncontested three isn't the end of the world. Part of Bob Knight's down fall was not revolving his game around the 3 point line.

I have a big problem with Smith shooting uncontested 3's because he doesn't make them, and that is what the defense will give up. Now if he starts rebounding 12 a game maybe we can find him a time to launch one, not otherwise, no.

Knight did just fine in the 3pt era, ask Mike Lewis, Damon Bailey, AJ Guyton, on and on and on.

The identity of what a good shot is, is something players need to learn. It isn't a public library, not everyone gets a chance.

 

[ufo33]

The three point line is as prevalent as ever these days. I have no problem with Justin Smith shooting an uncontested 3. He doesn't shoot a high volume, taking an uncontested three isn't the end of the world. Part of Bob Knight's down fall was not revolving his game around the 3 point line.

Knight had 3pt shooters, Crean's roster handed over to Archie did not.

 

[IndyResident16]

I have a big problem with Smith shooting uncontested 3's because he doesn't make them, and that is what the defense will give up. Now if he starts rebounding 12 a game maybe we can find him a time to launch one, not otherwise, no.

Knight did just fine in the 3pt era, ask Mike Lewis, Damon Bailey, AJ Guyton, on and on and on.

Averaging less than a 3pt attempt a game in this day in age isn't going to kill a teams chances.

How many times Did Mike Lewis and AJ Guyton make it past the first weekend of the tournament?

 

[ufo33]

The three point line is as prevalent as ever these days. I have no problem with Justin Smith shooting an uncontested 3. He doesn't shoot a high volume, taking an uncontested three isn't the end of the world. Part of Bob Knight's down fall was not revolving his game around the 3 point line.

You must not have watched Knight's IU teams for almost 3 decades.

 

[IndyResident16]

Knight had 3pt shooters, Crean's roster handed over to Archie did not.

Having 3 point shooters and utilizing the 3 point line are two different things my friend.

 

[TR32]

What is Smith's 3pt percentage of makes on his 1st attempt in a game? I bet it is extremwly low.

 

[IndyResident16]

You must not have watched Knight's IU teams for almost 3 decades.

Except for every single one.

 

[IndyResident16]

What is Smith's 3pt percentage of makes on his 1st attempt in a game? I bet it is extremwly low.

He didn't even average an attempt a game so that argument is moot.

 

[ufo33]

Averaging less than a 3pt attempt a game in this day in age isn't going to kill a teams chances.

How many times Did Mike Lewis and AJ Guyton make it past the first weekend of the tournament?

It will when you are offensively challenged as a team and you reduce the number of possessions in a grinder game, making each possession a higher % of overall game scoring opportunities. If IU were to attempt to run and gun 3pt shots like the rage today it might not win a conference game with the current roster.

 

[ufo33]

He didn't even average an attempt a game so that argument is moot.

You accept missed low percentage shots?
Wow.

 

[ufo33]

To be fair he attempted 32 3's last year, less than 1 a game. In this day in age of basketball where analytics reign supreme, it isn't that big of the deal. If a guy is going to give you a wide open three, shooting one a game isn't going to kill your teams momentum. A 3 is worth more than 2 and a wide open 3 even from a 20% shooter is a high percentage/higher value shot than a contested 2 pointer. I have no qualms with Smith taking the occasional uncontested three.

32 more than he should have attempted.

 

[IndyResident16]

You accept missed low percentage shots?
Wow.

A 3 pointer is a higher percentage shot than a 15 foot mid-range jumper regardless if it is made or missed. Educate yourself on this please.

https://shottracker.com/articles/the-3-point-revolution

 

[TR32]

The three point line is as prevalent as ever these days. I have no problem with Justin Smith shooting an uncontested 3. He doesn't shoot a high volume, taking an uncontested three isn't the end of the world. Part of Bob Knight's down fall was not revolving his game around the 3 point line.

Knight's last good team, 04-05, at TTU was 11th in the country in 3pt%.

 

[Squonk too]

It will when you are offensively challenged as a team and you reduce the number of possessions in a grinder game, making each possession a higher % of overall game scoring opportunities. If IU were to attempt to run and gun 3pt shots like the rage today it might not win a conference game with the current roster.

Exactly. Running a CTC game in the Archie era is a basketball non-sequitur.

 

[TR32]

A 3 pointer is a higher percentage shot than a 15 foot mid-range jumper regardless if it is made or missed. Educate yourself on this please.

https://shottracker.com/articles/the-3-point-revolution

Not if it leads to a Nebraska dunk at the other end.

This isn't Moneyball.

 

[IndyResident16]

Knight's last good team, 04-05, at TTU was 11th in the country in 3pt%.

Percentage has NOTHING to do with utilizing the 3 point line. Jesus people. That Texas Tech team attempted 366 three pointers for the entire year which ranked 322nd in the country out of 330 teams. Knight was an outspoken critic of the three point line. I'm not saying his teams didn't make or shoot 3 pointers, but he didn't utilize the 3 point line in his offensive scheme.

 

[PranksterMary]

To be fair he attempted 32 3's last year, less than 1 a game. In this day in age of basketball where analytics reign supreme, it isn't that big of the deal. If a guy is going to give you a wide open three, shooting one a game isn't going to kill your teams momentum. A 3 is worth more than 2 and a wide open 3 even from a 20% shooter is a high percentage/higher value shot than a contested 2 pointer. I have no qualms with Smith taking the occasional uncontested three.

It’s how many he doesn’t take that is the issue. Opponents don’t respect his ability to hit 3’s, and he’s defended differently as a result. He lacks both the confidence and ability to make that shot so, when he handles the ball on the perimeter, he’s nearly always looking to pass, rather than put it on the floor and / or shoot. This is an inherent advantage for the D and is the real limiting factor for IU.

 

[PranksterMary]

Percentage has NOTHING to do with utilizing the 3 point line. Jesus people. That Texas Tech team attempted 366 three pointers for the entire year which ranked 322nd in the country out of 330 teams. Knight was an outspoken critic of the three point line. I'm not saying his teams didn't make or shoot 3 pointers, but he didn't utilize the 3 point line in his offensive scheme.

If you don’t think Knight utilized the three point line, you weren’t watching very closely.

 

[IndyResident16]

If you don’t think Knight utilized the three point line, you weren’t watching very closely.

You weren't watching at all so what's your point?

https://www.nwitimes.com/uncategori...cle_725caeb7-4f1b-5341-98c3-2d138997a191.html

"I'm not sure there's anybody that dislikes the 3-point shot more than I
do," Knight said. "They hit nine and we hit four. That's a difference of five
points. I mean, I just like the game the way it used to be played. ... I hate
this.

https://oklahoman.com/article/3026897/has-the-3-point-shot-changed-college-basketball

"I've never been in favor of it,” Knight said. "I think it's done a lot to take away from basic fundamental offense.”

http://www.startribune.com/hartman-knight-likes-bo-ryan-but-not-three-pointers/295276161/

Knight was asked for his opinion on a number of college basketball topics, including the three-point shot.

"I didn't like it 10 years ago, or nine years ago, or eight years ago, or seven years ago, or six years ago, or five years ago, or three years ago, or two years ago, or one year ago, and I don't like it today."

 

[ufo33]

A 3 pointer is a higher percentage shot than a 15 foot mid-range jumper regardless if it is made or missed. Educate yourself on this please.

https://shottracker.com/articles/the-3-point-revolution

A missed 3pt shot counts 0 points.
More than 1 missed 3pt shots counts 0 pts.
0+0+0=0

 

[IndyResident16]

A missed 3pt shot counts 0 points.
More than 1 missed 3pt shots counts 0 pts.
0+0+0=0

As does a missed 2 pointer. Shooting 33% from 3 is the equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Ponder that.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I am hoping Green went to "teardropper's camp" this summer. He shoots at least 2 of those per game.

He's really great shooting 6 footers. The problem is he shoots them from 8 feet away.

 

[ufo33]

As does a missed 2 pointer. Shooting 33% from 3 is the equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Ponder that.

Smith shoots less than 33% from 3.

 

[IndyResident16]

Smith shoots less than 33% from 3.

Imagine if that shot develops?

 

[ufo33]

Imagine if that shot develops?

I seriously hope that it does!
It would completely transform Smith's game.
But I have low confidence in that happening in the next few weeks.
Smith improving his FT% would go a long way toward improving his value to the team and also improving his consistent shooting mechanics and release point.

 

[Squonk too]

Imagine if that shot develops?

Smith's imaginary to-be-developed 3-pointer does not capture my imagination. I would hope instead that he is developing his free throw. Smith getting fouled is a reality, so. . .

 

[ufo33]

Smith's imaginary to-be-developed 3-pointer does not capture my imagination. I would hope instead that he is developing his free throw. Smith getting fouled is a reality, so. . .

Exactly!!

 

[ufo33]

As does a missed 2 pointer. Shooting 33% from 3 is the equivalent to shooting 50% from 2. Ponder that.

Not if they don't go in the basket.

 

[IndyResident16]

Not if they don't go in the basket.

That doesn't make sense. I'm done arguing with you on this because you clearly don't understand probability or analytics to even an elementary degree.

 

[TR32]

Imagine if that shot develops?

Imagine if everyone on the team launched a 3 any time they were open?