Trump/Vance 2024
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Aloha makes perfect sense given that Vivek was the guy the hardcore Trumpers wanted him to pick the most. After that probably Carson and then Tulsi. Bunch of racists.
"respirators killed people"
You do realize how badly you hurt your own case here...right?
I’ve made this defense of Republicans for almost 30 years and I still believe it, but MAGA Republicans have changed the equation. I honestly believe now that racism, manifesting in an anti immigration mindset, is an actual policy factor for much of the MAGA faction. It’s one of the disqualifying factors for me in terms of supporting MAGA.
@dbmhoosier you see Zuckerberg’s comments on trump? Said that fist pump was “one of the most badass things he’s seen in his life.” Won’t endorse a candidate but that was very inspiring.
I remember when people used to wait for newspapers to endorse
I remember when people used to wait for newspapers to endorse
What’s the racist anti immigration policy set forth by the trump administration
Vance is a smart guy. Trump is a savvy guy, but not super smart. I’d bet big money that Bush and Cheney both have higher IQs than Trump. Vance is probably in the same vicinity as B and C, maybe a little higher, but not significantly.
I’m talking about a faction of his MAGA followers and their motivations and policy desires. I’ve defended Trump against accusations of racist policies.
What coh stated was accurate. There are racists on both sides with policy desires. What matters is the actual policy.
Has MAGA changed the equation for you or has Trump? As I said, I’m MAGA, that is a legit political position going back to Lincoln, and I don’t accept the never-Trump and Democrat MAGA spin.
You shouldn’t confuse immigration policy with border policy. Wanting a strong secure border is not anti-immigration.
I disagree totally. There is no room for that if you are a Trump follower. Every video I'ver ever seen at Trump rallies are people of all colors, patriotic, and loving one another. I've seen people say they felt so welcome whatever race and nationality they are. Anyone who says they are part of MAGA and displays racism is not part of the movement. Thats not what this its all about.
I don’t think a bush Cheney ticket today would get 40 million votes. Biden and Harris and Newsom and Whitmer are progressives in varying degrees. The Dem party is a party of progressives. Trump is a hodgepodge of policies but largely a centrist Dem. The country has moved left
I need some clarification here...Centrist dems don't undo regulations, lower taxes, and promote capitalism. Thats straight out of the Reagan playbook. I was just reading it the other day. Thats Trump all day! Maybe you can expand?
I will later. Boat day with the kids
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Enjoy! Not trying to start anything either just want to hear why you think that...Have a great day!
Doubt that is true re votes. Vast majority of people are blind partisans and will vote whomever name is at the top of the ticket. Trump got 62m votes in 2016. Romney had 60m in 2012. Couldn't be a starker contrast between Old GOP and New GOP than those two. Millions and millions of people hate Trump but will still vote for him as 1) they always vote and 2) they would never vote for a Dem.
The makeup of the GOP primary voter has changed significantly, but that's a different story.
Where were the Reagan chapters on protectionism and isolationism?
The base of the gop is what the Dem party used to look like in many respects. 2024 is much different than even 2016 much less 12. But I agree with the thrust of your point
Trump uses tariffs as a diplomatic weapon. That is not isolationism. Isolationism is a bum rap anyway. Trump’s first term was decidedly not isolationist.
And today’s right has moved further right? Bush/Chaney won’t get 40M votes because MAGA supporters think Bush is no longer right. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/george-w-bush-is-too-liberal-for-the-republican-party.html
Again based on policy not rhetoric trump is a hodgepodge but closer to a Clinton Dem than a bush. You can pick one issue and contravene same but as an across the board generalization
He was stopped from him worst instinctual policy decisions by those in his cabinet last time around. I don't expect it this time around.
I'm not here to rehash all of this for the thousandth time. I have very little in common with the modern Trump platform, nor the Dem platform.
I'm accepting of the situation that I have no major party platform that I support whatsoever. And will likely abstain this fall from even wasting time going to the polls. Definitely not spending my time doing pretzel logic.
And I'll reply later. Lawn work, and I mean the whole enchilada, cut grass, weed eat, trim bushes, pull weeds, and tend the garden. Yes I still do my own. Inner peace and good exercise. #whiteboysummer
Both. Trump has led to changes in a significant portion of the party that I can’t stomach. The incivility, the paranoia, the persecution complex, the refusal to compromise, the conspiracy theory nonsense, the dishonesty (or stupidity - it’s one or the other), trends to isolationism and excessive protectionism, the embrace of racists (we tolerated them, as did Democrats, but never comforted them), treating political opponents as the enemy, the cultish devotion to one of the most immoral humans ever to run for President, and much more.
I’m 100 percent onboard with halting illegal immigration. We need more legal immigration.
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Smarter as measured by taking an IQ test doesn't necessarily mean you have acquired the knowledge and skills to be an effective office holder.
Seems reasonable, however, a person with a high IQ could learn how to be an effective office holder at faster rate than someone with a lower IQ.
CFFN, when you say the Republican party has gotten smarter. Do you mean those running for office or the party faithful?
If you mean Donald Trump, I think he has a high IQ and has mastered the skills to be elected and build a solid base of supporters. Vance is also exceptional as shown by being selected as Trump's VP. Ironically his rise to fame in the eyes of Trump may be due to his not being a politician for very long, as is the case with Trump.
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Fair enough.
That doesn’t matter. I think you have become ensnared by Trump’s personality. , Lots of good content in the GOP platform.
I couldn’t stomach a party, or a politician, that fits your first paragraph either. So we agree on that. Have a good day.
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CoH, the GOP convention as televised didn't bog viewers down with policies and platform positions.
Expect the Dems to do the same minus a celebrity candidate. Like going to a play without a famed actor playing the lead role.
Right. Platforms and policy are not entertaining.
I’ll bet you dinner that the Democrats dwell on the Project 2025 hoax every day.
Could be.
With 900 pages of material to twist to their advantage the topic is bound to be brought up.
Willing to bet few undecided voters will be moved upon hearing the Dems boring version of the Heritage Foundation wish list.
Heritage. A think tank devoid of a hint of common sense sabotaging its own candidate. Stupid fcks
