Not over night, not in 4 years, but just as they died, they can rise from the ashes, slowly.
Of course it is a Herculean feat with half of the country (cough rinodems cough) working to make it not happen.
Trump/Vance 2024
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Of course it is a Herculean feat with half of the country (cough rinodems cough) working to make it not happen.
Sure looks like Madison Cawthorn is having a good time at the convention.
I believe both Trump and Vance think middle America can be rebuilt by bringing home manufacturing. That doesn't mean their policy ideas will do it.
Here's a think tank that believes it is possible to revive manufacturing here (if not the same kind as before) but doesn't think Trump did anything to make it happen in his first term:
We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasn’t done it: Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy
Trump’s trade policies have failed to curb offshoring—and they have not addressed the root causes of America’s growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing. On top of that, COVID-19—and the administration’s mismanagement of the crisis—has wiped out much of the last decade’s...
www.epi.org
Perfect explanation here for why Vance was picked and what the angle is in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc. Whether they can get it done doesn't matter. Showing you care does.I believe both Trump and Vance think middle America can be rebuilt by bringing home manufacturing. That doesn't mean their policy ideas will do it.
Here's a think tank that believes it is possible to revive manufacturing here (if not the same kind as before) but doesn't think Trump did anything to make it happen in his first term:
We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasn’t done it: Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy
Trump’s trade policies have failed to curb offshoring—and they have not addressed the root causes of America’s growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing. On top of that, COVID-19—and the administration’s mismanagement of the crisis—has wiped out much of the last decade’s...
Dbm. Do you think there is any part of Vance’s story that resonates with black voters?
I had read the book and watched the movie previously but the recent reminder struck again in my head of just how similar his upbringing is to those in Americas inner cities. Disinterested, abusive parent. No father. A community in such despair that they felt no efforts were worth their time and the powers that be wouldn’t allow their success anyway.
Maybe one or two family members that tried to look out for you but what is that worth in through an entire upbringing? Shit schools. Rampant drug use. No one that gave a damn or was educated in nutrition and bodily health. The list goes on.
Life on Chicago’s south side and Middletown, Ohio are plagued with the same problems.
I don't agree with Moore on everything, but he gets this. The Dems--and many on here--refuse to listen or understand.
In general, I think a lot of that is right. But I also think Vance grew up with money through his grandparents. He wasn't poor.
Yep, half the country and the entire global economy.
Cannot forget intra state competition as in Indiana with workers migrating to some of the more popular communities.
Then there are those living in small towns but driving, in many cases, a long distance to work. Interestingly the price of housing close to jobs will see families going to rural small towns.
What will be, will be, no matter what the politicians do as the economy has a life of its own beyond government influence.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has something up his sleeve tonight. He usually does. An appearance and endorsement by a certain someone would end the campaign tonight. I wouldn't bet on it but I wouldn't rule it out.
Technically, most of them are socialists. I do think at some point you start to split hairs on socialism and communism.
I predict he'll do a dramatic removal of the bandage, like he did with his mask after getting Covid. Then he'll stand there in his Benito pose and bask in the adulation.
I believe both Trump and Vance think middle America can be rebuilt by bringing home manufacturing. That doesn't mean their policy ideas will do it.
Here's a think tank that believes it is possible to revive manufacturing here (if not the same kind as before) but doesn't think Trump did anything to make it happen in his first term:
We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasn’t done it: Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy
Trump’s trade policies have failed to curb offshoring—and they have not addressed the root causes of America’s growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing. On top of that, COVID-19—and the administration’s mismanagement of the crisis—has wiped out much of the last decade’s...
That link is not very impressive work.
First, cause and effect is very hard to establish between policy and jobs. Trumps tax policy that encouraged the return to the U.S. of capital held overseas had to be a positive. Likewise with energy policy.
The think tank listed these thre pillars of industrial growth:
Looking forward, the three pillars of building a sustainable, resilient, manufacturing-based economy are: (1) rebalancing trade flows; (2) rebuilding U.S. infrastructure; and (3) supporting the transition to efficient and clean energy systems.
#3 Left wing faire for sure.Most economists list these as the three.
The price of energy
The price of capital
The price of labor.
Biden and state and local democrats increased the price of all those— by a lot.
In addition, Biden green and DEI regulations attached to the chips act and infrastructure project federal subsidies is a further impediment to manufacturing and jobs. No doubt Trump will take action to cut those regs and other red tape.
As long as the dollar is the world reserve currency it’s not happening.I believe both Trump and Vance think middle America can be rebuilt by bringing home manufacturing. That doesn't mean their policy ideas will do it.
Here's a think tank that believes it is possible to revive manufacturing here (if not the same kind as before) but doesn't think Trump did anything to make it happen in his first term:
We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasn’t done it: Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy
Trump’s trade policies have failed to curb offshoring—and they have not addressed the root causes of America’s growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing. On top of that, COVID-19—and the administration’s mismanagement of the crisis—has wiped out much of the last decade’s...
DMB, are you thinking "that certain someone" might be RFK Jr. ?
You thinking Willie Robertson is gonna show up and endorse Trump? That high level type person?
Definitely who he’s thinking. That would be quite something.
WHOA... Ending the war BEFORE his first day would be JESUS level EPIC... and really piss off the Rino's. ... Ok, I am in. Lets do this.
Number 3 is a terrible idea, unless they’re trying to send the country into a recession. There is a reason why Democrats don’t decrease fossil fuel usage every time they get into office. The base lay the economy is cheap energy.
How could he work this magic? You want him to start off by breaking the (again) by negotiating before he becomes President?
On J.D. Vance
James David Vance is now, without question, the most successful and important American under the age of 40, having lived a triumphant cultural and political life without any clear parallel
www.commentary.org
Good read
Dbm doesn’t think. He does whatever Q tells him to do
It was a joke about taking Putin out while he was meeting Trump. Absolutely nothing serious.
I wonder what Vance’s wife thought while she was speaking about her immigrant parents to the mass deportation signs and cheers of send them back?
Suspect she understands not to take anything a politician says, including her beloved husband, literally.
They are all transactional.
Transactional being to say and do whatever it takes to reach a goal. The goal being in the words of a pol..."What is best for the country they love and serve".
OMG
Came across this Tyler Cowen piece. I think he nails a lot of these and shows the areas where the Ds lost the rope.
I’ve been listening to Econtalk for a long time. He and Russ together are always great. And Munger is a f$cking gangster…of economics.
